Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Did they give you an estimate on all this yet?

    Nah, no estimate yet, although he did say he'd call me today.

    It sounds like you just spent your Christmas bonus and it isn't even Halloween yet.

    Christmas bonus? Surely thou jesteth. Usually our "bonus" is a $25 gift check. Last year it was a sweatshirt with the company logo on it. :sick:

    Nah, this baby's going on the credit card, where I'll at least get 1% back. :P And the mechanic said that he'll probably have the car at least two weeks. If it gets put off until after around October 9, I won't have to worry about paying for it until the end of November. :shades:

    Just for kicks, I added up my vehicle expenses so far this year. Not counting gasoline and insurance, but including registration fees, I'm at about $2350, which isn't bad spread across 6 vehicles. Well, 7 actually, but the LeMans hasn't cost me any money this year...yet. Or about $261 per month.

    Heck, just the down payment on the Intrepid was $2,000, and its monthly payment was $347.66. So that's my way of tricking myself into the mindset that these repairs on the convertible won't set me back too much.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Well with any luck, I'll have it at the GM show in Carlisle next June. It'll be a nice change of pace compared to taking my LeMans up there. While I love my LeMans to death, the convertible is just SOOOO much cooler! :shades:

    I think my next goal, once the dust settles financially, is to get the DeSoto roadworthy again. It would be cool to be able to take it to the Mopar show next year!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    No oil pressure at idle even with a new pump. Progressively got worse

    Worse than zero pressure? Wow. That's indeed bad.
    ;P

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,260
    I guess that was worded a bit poorly... started off as low oil pressure that eventually was zero at idle.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    From what I was told I wasn't alone with that problem with Ford engines.

    One of my friends has two '78 Mark V's, both with 460's. A couple months ago he spun a bearing in one of them, and it pretty much toasted the engine. Luckily it was his ratty one, which had over 100,000 miles and other issues, and not his good one, which is pristine and only has about 15K on it.

    At one point, I had entertained the idea of buying the ratty one from him when he talked about selling it. This was before the engine blew. In retrospect, I guess it's a good thing I didn't! Plus, the last time I saw it, it really deteriorated a lot from what I had remembered. It wasn't bad looking when he got it about 4 years ago, but it's sat outside all this time, and that's really taken its toll.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    A '78 Mark V with a blown engine and ratty interior is basically landfill I'm afraid. They're hard enough to sell when they are pristine these days.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,161
    "Oh, and as for the oil pressure light, there's also an aftermarket gauge hooked up. The oil pressure light comes on and flickers when the gauge gets down to about 15-16 psi. Yesterday, the mechanic said that the light shouldn't come on until it gets below 10 PSI. So I guess either the gauge or the idiot light is lying to me! "

    I agree with your mechanic - I wouldn't worry about 15 psi at idle on one of these, the ones I've seen with the light come on were down around 5 psi. So if the gauge checks out, I'd just watch it, start worrying when it does get under 10 psi.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Actually an engine like that could idle with NO OIL even in the oil pan for quite a long time with no harm done.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,161
    "Actually an engine like that could idle with NO OIL even in the oil pan for quite a long time with no harm done. "

    True, we're not talking about an M3 here :P My Suburban would get down around 15 psi when hot at idle, no problems.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,260
    I really like those old boats. The '78s were the last year for the 460 which was the better engine IMO. The 6.6 (400) in the '79s was nothing more than a bored out 351 if I am not mistaken.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Actually an engine like that could idle with NO OIL even in the oil pan for quite a long time with no harm done.

    So in other words, don't try that with my 2.7 Intrepid! :P Actually it developed a similar issue back in late 2003, where the oil pressure light would come on, fully warmed up, at idle, such as sitting at a traffic light. The rpms would drop to about 500 in situations like that, and the light would flicker. If I put it in neutral it would go away. And once I got moving, it would go away. So it was acting JUST like the Pontiac! Although I imagine trying to put 20W-50 oil it it would have done more harm than good...

    In the Intrepid's case, there was a TSB. There was some kind of issue with the wiring that would get hot and trigger the light. The fix was to insulate the wiring better, and install some kind of vent, IIRC. That was almost 5 years, and 50,000 miles ago, so I guess if any real damage was getting done to that Intrepid, it would have surfaced by now.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If the red light goes off immediately as soon as you press on the gas, on those old iron V8s, I wouldn't even bother to pay attention to the red light. I'd put in an analog gauge and just forget about it. Or if you climate permits, run straight 40W and add some upper cylinder lubricant to the gas for those cold starts.

    You can't do this with a modern engine. They are very french-poodle like when it comes to upper engine lubrication and oil pressure. And you can't run heavier oils with those engines that have variable valve timing because the cams won't shift when cold.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    My spider runs at a healthy and scientifically verified "1/4-of-the-way-between-0-and-57 psi."

    damned shutterfly. can't link the pic, so ya gotta click the link. :(

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,665
    My fintail does something similar, when it is warm the pressure falls to half of the range on the gauge...after a good highway drive, it reads even less. But when it is cold, it pegs quickly, and even when hot a slight blip of the throttle will peg it. The oil pressure senders in old MB are also notoriously pessimistic, from what I have heard. I don't give it a second of worry.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If you can't hear the needle "click" on the maximum oil pressure pin on a fintail, you're in trouble.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Yeah, they are nice cars. My buddy's cars are the Diamond Jubilee edition, which was done up in a frosty metallic blue. You could also get the DJE in a goldish/champagne color, but it wasn't nearly as popular. I think they even had clearcoat paint on them, which had to have been rare in those days. I drove his ratty one once, soon after he first bought it. Its 460 had been hopped up a bit, so it performed better than it was meant to! It actually encouraged foot-stomping. Well, the engine did, but not so much the suspension and brakes. Still, that could have been one reason that my bud blew it up!

    And I think you're right, in that the 351/400 are the same block, the Cleveland, while the 460 was a totally different block. The 460 was a big-block, while I think the Cleveland was considered more of a "medium" block. By 1979, I think the 400 was down to 159 hp. Probably still enough for leisurely cruising in a big boat like a '79 Lincoln, but nothing you'd take to the drag strip.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,665
    It shoots right up...if it was a problem, I am sure something would have died by now. The readings I mention were at idle too, of course.

    Even after sitting for weeks, it pegs immediately. Here's a video I uploaded to carspace, a "cold start" video after the fintail had been sitting for a full month. The oil gauge is top right.

    It'd be cool if we could embed videos here, we can't even embed carspace material.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,260
    The DJE also was available on the Thunderbird. They were highly optioned cars. Lincoln also did the Collector's Series for 1979 which was basically the DJE in much more desireable colors (white, navy and a handful of silver) all with navy interior. I know those were clearcoated so the DJE probably was too. They even had four wheel disc brakes, not too many vehicles with that in 1979.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,967
    i once chattered the engine my mustang. a year or so later, i had a rear engine seal leak. not bad, but if you started when cold or ran up the rpms when warm, it would leak some oil. i started using some 10-30 maxlife oil, and no drips anymore.
    i keep a piece of plywood under the engine/tranny in the garage. i think it cuts down a bit on the cold coming off the concrete in the winter.
    i'm not sure what mythbusters would make of that.
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  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Jeez, and I was a bit worried when the oil pressure in the GMC would drop below 30 psi on a warm idle. :surprise:
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,161
    Course, depends on age - I figured with 150k mine 'earned' some reduced pressure at idle. No problem at speed.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Do us a favor, would you?

    Could you do some "before" and "after" pictures of the Catalina, so we can see for ourselves the improvements you are having done?

    I'm glad you are taking some $$$ to update the Catalina ... kinda like when my dad "refreshed" his '70 Chevy C-10 a few years back. Yeah, it cost him something like $6000 when it was all said and done, but he's got - for all intents and purposes - a brand new truck. He had the engine rebuilt just after it passed 100K (about 15 years ago, IIRC). I think he's still got less than 200K on it - and this is after 38 years!

    He's turned down unsolicited offers of $8500 for it (before the 'refresh', mind you), though I suspect when the time comes to sell it, it probably won't fetch that much.

    Of course, he's 73 now and doesn't drive as much -- and, due to the price of gas in California, he takes mom's car more often than not ('03 Sonata V6).

    Picture of Dad's Truck
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I could take some pics, but really, most of what I'm getting done really isn't going to do much to change the outward appearance of the car. With the exception of new tires, the Rally wheels, and a new top, everything else is mechanical.

    Here's a few pics I currently have posted of it. The first three were taken in Spring of 2007, the 4th was taken in the Summer of 2006. The 5th was taken in late 1999, with my then-new Intrepid just visible behind it. The last pic was taken in late 1998.

    The new wheels are 15x7, whereas I think the current ones are 14x6. In addition to being wider, I think they're also offset more, so they will fill out the wheel wells much better.

    Nice pics of your Dad's truck. Looking good! I like the way the stereo speakers are set up so they'd be easily removable, and not damaging to the interior. I always hate it when a nice interior gets cut up for a modern sound system.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    is there any salvage value in a glass rear window? The one in my Catalina had fallen out, and I'd been keeping it wrapped up and tucked away, in case it could be put back in. But my mechanic told me that it's useless. When you get a new top, the window comes with it, and the glass is actually bonded to the top material, somehow. If it comes loose, you can't just adhere it back together.

    And this isn't the first time I heard this. Years ago, I was chatting with a guy who had a '72 Impala convertible, and he said the same thing.

    I feel kinda bad just chucking the thing in a dumpster, but I guess if it has no value or use, there's no sense in hanging on to it.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,443
    It never occured to me before but I guess that the rear of the new little Volvo is inspired by the old wagon. It's never clicked for me before why they call it a retro design. I still don't like it and it's not selling well.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    It's funny that you mention the external speakers in my dad's truck. He only ever listens to talk radio, so I'm a bit stumped as to why he's got 6x9 speakers to begin with!

    I know he had the stock AM radio in the truck for many many years - not sure when he replaced it, to be honest with you. I also believe he replaced the ignition system to something electronic as well, but I couldn't tell you the details about that.

    A buddy of mine from HS did the work on the truck - when we were in school, he took the afternoons off to work with his dad, who did body work at a local Chevy dealership. He eventually opened up his own shop - not sure if he does any work on anything without a bowtie on it.

    I know I've mentioned this before, but when he bought the truck ($2900 in 1970) my mom told him that it would be the last truck he ever bought. I think he might have taken her seriously on that, given that he still has it all these years later. I don't think anyone in town would recognize him in anything else, he's had it for so long.

    It's never been on any real long road trips, to my knowledge. He used to pull a boat with it when I was a kid in the 70's, so it would go to some of the local lakes and reservoirs from time to time. Other than that, it was just his around town transportation - he worked two jobs most of the time (firefighter and carpenter/contractor), so the truck saw a lot of use to haul tools and wood.

    Once, before I had my own car, I used it in a TSD rally with a buddy of mine. Was quite a bit of fun punching the throttle to get the other 2 barrels of the carb to open up. Plus, he had added some sort of custom exhaust that really sounds nice.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    Volvo seller:
    It is a daily driver. I have mainly had it in storage.

    Huh. I imagine it must get mighty boring driving it everyday around in circles inside a storage shed.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    Will consider trades for firearms or hunting equipment.

    Ummmm... methinks I want to avoid doing business with this fellow.

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  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    I'm so not an Alfa expert (Duh). But I started watching them on ebay (could be dangerous if I saw a nice one nearby). There's an '87 Spider w/52K miles that "looks" nice, starting bid $3000, BIN $3995, for instance. An '85 Spider w/20K miles (?) w/one bid at $5k. FWIW.......
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    Well, sure, that '87 is great. Just needs a repaint and new top, bringing the cost to what? $7K-$8k? Mine has those. ;)
    OH, and no pics of the inside? Hmmmm...

    That '85 looks to be pretty sharp. No idea what the man's reserve is, though. And his 0 feedback is probably what's killing any interest in it. REAL tough to sell any car with 0 feedback, let alone a 20+-year-old Italian.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,665
    My eyes! :lemon:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,665
    Yeah, I have seen only a handful of C30s, and Volvos are usually relatively popular in this region. An expensive hatch that isn't very "hot"...not a good combination

    And another one hits the market...they must have all survived
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,967
    a ford truck? that's calling my name. of course that one would probably cost $10 to drive the 3 mile round trip to home depot and back.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,967
    now that monaco is an andremobile.
    that reminds me, at the fly-in/car show over the weekend, there was a black gen1 barracuda with a 383-s badge on it. my porsche driving friend/neighbor pointed out that the body was beautifully straight and the black paint was flawless.
    after that we saw a 64/65 fury 2 door with a mild looking white/light gold or tan paint job. under the hood was a big hemi with a very flat top manifold with two big offset double pumper carbs on it. his unsollicited comment was 'that will sneak up on people'.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    now that monaco is an andremobile.

    Yeah, I was thinking that, too. If that sucker was closer, and if I was in a financial position to afford it, I'd really be tempted. But after sinking $13K into a heat pump and electrical mods to the house, plus whatever these repairs to the Catalina cost me, I'm not in the best financial position these days. Oh, and did I mention that with the economy the way it is, I've "lost" more on the stock market so far this year than what I'll end up making at my job for the whole year? :sick:

    For some odd reason, I tend to get attracted to cars that ended up being "losers" in one way or another. For instance, the 1976-77 LeMans was the least popular of GM's midsizers in that era. The Malibu, Monte Carlo, Century, Regal, Cutlass, and Pontiac's own Grand Prix all outsold the LeMans, and by a wide margin.

    Chrysler's 1979-81 full-sized R-body was a flop. After a mediocre 1979, the platform took a nosedive, and then was yanked halfway through the 1981 model year. And while the 1957 DeSoto was a hit when it was new, its quality was bad enough that, along with botched marketing and mis-management, the entire brand would be gone within 4 years.

    Similarly, the 1974-78 Mopar "C" body was sort of a loser. It was launched in 1974, just as the oil embargo hit. And the suckers were massive, heavy looking cars, even compared to their peers of the time. Once the economy started to improve, the big Chrysler Newports and New Yorkers actually sold fairly well, but they started trimming back the less popular Gran Furys and Royal Monacos for 1976, and dumped them completely after 1977. Years ago, there was a nice 1974 Gran Fury hardtop coupe for sale at the Mopar show in Carlisle, in a pale blue. I should have bought it, but I didn't have the money at the time.

    I've always liked these cars. I think my first choice would be a 1974-75 Gran Fury or Monaco hardtop coupe or hardtop sedan. The hardtop sedans were pretty rare, and were only offered in 1974-75, IIRC. And while the hardtop coupes were technically offered right up through the end in 1977, a common option was a landau roof, which gave them stationary opera windows. The true hardtops, with roll-down rear windows and no B-pillar, are pretty rare. They were more common in the New Yorker and especially the Newport series.

    I know I've posted this pic before, but here's a '74 Plymouth Fury coupe:
    image

    I think it's just a nice, clean, handsome style. Plenty of glass area too, which I like.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    2 folks so far have said "i want to come see the car," but haven't actually called me. And now I just received a very strange question through Ebay asking what I originally paid because the person wants to evaluate whether these cars are appreciating.

    My response was basically "well, it probably won't DEpreciate, but if you are looking for an investment, there are better choices than a 1980s Alfa Spider."

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Yeah, people can ask anything, but that doesn't mean you have to give them the information they request.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,803
    forgot to mention that i took my pickup truck to inspection this morning. And, amazingly, it passed. I had to jump it to leave, but thankfully lack of starting is not an inspection requirement.

    So it gets another 2-year lease on life.

    I believe I will have to treat it to some bondo on the hood and a coat of that spray on bed protector stuff. I'm pondering painting the whole truck in black primer, but my wife just looked at me weird when I suggested it.

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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Funny that you brought up the 1974 Plymouth Fury. My Dad was getting sick of his troublesome 1972 Ford LTD and was thinking of getting rid of it early and getting a new Plymouth Fury Brougham sedan. I wonder if Dad would've been better off had he done so or would've it been a case of falling out of the frying pan and into the fire? By the way, I like that Fury. It looks a lot like a Buick!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    I wonder if Dad would've been better off had he done so or would've it been a case of falling out of the frying pan and into the fire? By the way, I like that Fury. It looks a lot like a Buick!

    I think if you stuck with the smaller engines, like the 318 and the 360, a '74 Fury or Monaco wouldn't be too bad of a car. That was the first year they put Lean Burn on the 400 and 440 though, and it was troublesome. I think it was expanded to all engines by 1975.

    As for looking like a Buick, check out the 1974 Monaco!
    image

    I don't think these cars were too horrible when it came to rust resistance...at least no worse than their Ford or GM rivals. However, because they were unitized, once they did start to rust, it could be more critical.

    I think the 4-door hardtop in the Fury/Monaco line was an attractive car. Here's a pic of one done up to imitate a police car:
    image

    It does look like a straight ripoff of a '71-72 LeSabre, though!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    914's a good deal if it's as nice as described. There's a little money left on the table there.

    Volvo 260 -- a good car for hauling big sloppy dogs around. I sure hope it wasn't as bad as the old 164. Oh wait is that the V-6 engine? Then yeah, it's as bad.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,665
    Yep it's the odd V6 model
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    I own the 911 now. Wrote a check, took the title, etc. I am very pleased about it.

    A couple of initial thoughts. It isn't substantially like any other car I've driven. It just has a different feel. I don't think my wife will like to drive it. The steering is stiff, the clutch is stiff, the gearbox is stiff, the brakes are stiff and the suspension is really stiff. I am probably leaving out some other stiff things. None of that bothers me to much, but I've driven it every day for a week and I have decided it probably isn't an ideal daily driver. In fact, my 944 feels like a Lexus in comparison. I'll probably split time between the 911 and 944 as the mood strikes me while I look for a third car.

    The only thing I really don't like about the 911 is the throttle. It feels like I am pushing on an orange. Even when I am really mashing the orange, I am not sure if I am giving it full throttle (or squeezing out all the juice to continue the analogy). It seems to accelerate pretty fast in any case. I just wish it had better feel.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,967
    i'm sure how much different the one you have is from a '92, but i drove one and loved how the front fenders kept you focused straight ahead. maybe they didn't want you to think too much about what was going on out back. ;)
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,967
    i was thinking trying to convince you to buy a 'new' orphan, kind of like i did 6 months ago. in march 08 i bought a car built in dec 06, but i think i will just post when i see a 60's/70's/80's you might be interested in.
    it's in your dna. :)
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    but i think i will just post when i see a 60's/70's/80's you might be interested in.
    it's in your dna.


    Yeah, I think it is, too! Still, you never know. My Intrepid isn't getting any younger, and it might pay me to have one new-ish car in my fleet. This probably isn't something I should confess to, but yesterday I was on the website of the dealer I bought the Intrepid from, looking at Crown Vics and Grand Marquises! :surprise: Lotta car, literally, for the money, but if I get a newer car, I want something that's smaller and more fuel-efficient. And this is gonna sound downright hypocritical, considering some of the cars I've owned, but I just don't feel like I'm "old" enough to drive a Grand Marquis or Crown Vic! Maybe if I could find one that was an ex police car, that might take some of the stigma off, but then I'd run the risk of it being ratted out. And getting worse fuel economy than a civilian model.
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