This car was on the same assembly line as the ferrari and is made by the same company.
Because there was only one type of Ferrari ever made right?
I have trouble believing any historic car speak coming from a guy who who calls his car an "Alpha Romeo" :sick:
created in Giorgetto Giugiaro's Italdesign....the influence shows.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Ohh that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. Is it built on the same assembly line as The Ferrari too?
I never trust cars from sellers who can't spell the brand name or model name correctly.
The Aveo ad copy is hilarious. And 10K for a 3 year old Aveo? For barely any more I can get a same year Civic or Corolla. Give me a break,
Yeah, a 190SL can cost a lot, with a quality restoration, preferably by a known shop. I can see the tires are not correct on that one, which doesn't bode well.
Opel seller has a mind apparently tainted by crack.
Renault seller is the same as the Citroen guy. Those wire wheels are heinous.
The guy is cracked. Ferrari is mostly owned by Fiat and Fiat didn't buy into Alfa Romeo until the 1980s.
that would be something to see, an 70s or 80s Alfa Romeo on a Ferrari assembly line!! Let's see, does this one get the Carbon Fiber body with the V-12 or the 4 cylinder engine with cardboard door panels?
I don't know if that '71 SS 454 is overpriced (I'd guess so, especially in this economy), but a sparse, no-description, misspelled, chintzy ad on yer local craigslist is not too likely to bring out anyone with a $125k checkbook.
I'd probably sooner pay $3500 for the first Nomad than $6k for that Nova-bucket and its parts.....but that's just me, probably not market-accurate.
That F-85 sedan is QUITE nice for the price (especially given all the work done)....BUT, is it a V8 or six? Most are V-8s (the 330) but as he doesn't specify, I gotta wonder.
The lost soul w/the '87 Firebird.....um, lessee.... V6 (and either a 5-speed or an automatic, no matter, really), in primer, but WOW....it has a new rear defroster, the AM/FM ETR and TILT WHEEL (gasp!!).....and must 'sell to the right person' (who, presumably, is blind and from Mars). Nine thousand dollars (I wonder if he's one of those "I 'need' $XYZ ten-times-what-its-worth" guys. Yeah.
No comments on what that guy did to that beautiful Rivera? For some reason putting Coddington wheels and a two-tone paint job on a 64 Riv really offends me.
The "Playboy Pink" Fairlane I understand, sort of.... Sh+t happens when the marketing guys throw one against the wall to see what sticks... but guy who did the Riv... THAT man is just evil.
I keep posting those early Datsun convertibles because I've always wanted one. But I keep thinking that $5 or $6 K ought to get me a really nice one. I can't imagine what you could do that would justify the other $6K this guy wants. Will he get it?
I was kind of sad about the Shelby replica. When I read that it has a signed dash, my first thought was "Ol Shel will sign anything including a bowl of chili."
I guess I'm in sort of the same boat. I'm not in love with those wheels, or the 2-tone paint, but it could be worse. I guess I'd call this a mild customization rather than a full-bore pimp-job.
....the burgandy one IS quite nice.....I'm madly in love with the silver leather (or vinyl?) interior, it's beautiful.
Funny, then, that the white one, which looks no better, really is three times as much.....$47k for ANY Riviera is insane, that one's gonna have a birthday unless they cut the price at least in half.
I am looking at a Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 that looks very nice, in the pictures, and the seller has spent a bit of money on repairs and says he has all the receipts for the work done while he has owned the car - 3 years. The sticky point is that the car has a California salvage title. The seller says that he bought it with the salvage title and it was because of a bad transmission. I've never heard of a salvage title being issued for mechanical failure. I was under the impression that insurance companies write off cars because of fire, flood, vandalism, collision...etc. Have you guys ever heard of a car of a similar situation? Does anyone have any idea what these cars are going for in this economy. I checked eBay and they only had one listed as a completed sale for $2800. but it was a rust bucket. Thanks
Since when does an immaculate late '80s Volvo wagon command that much money? If anything, my guess would be that it is worth about $6000 tops, even with that low mileage. 740s are considered undesirable by most of the buying public.
IN any event, on a car like this, you can knock off at least 50% of value. Remember the rule:
"Whatever gets you into a car cheaply will come back to haunt you when you sell"
Also, I presume you are aware of the punishing, mind-boggling, staggering cost of parts and repairs on these cars? This is the same engine that propels the MB 600 limousines of the same era. Also it has air suspension and various other complex systems, all obsolete and expensive.
Unless you have pretty deep pockets and an enduring love for these cars (and they are special), you need to go in with both eyes fully open. This car approaches maintenance and repair costs equaling a Ferrari or Rolls Royce.
I think a water pump is about $1500 last time I looked (just for the part) and distributor cap something like $300--$400.
Well at least that car would be the nicest one on display when Carlisle productions starts doing their Volvo Nationals! :P
My neighbors had one of those, a 1989 model, in that same color. It was a nice car, but once it got up to around 90,000 miles, it was going in the shop about every month, to the tune of $1000 a pop.
I'm baffled by the Volvo. I mean, its not like its asking price. That IS what the bidding has gotten to! And the top bidder when I last checked was someone with somewhat substantial feedback, too.
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That Volvo's bidding is amazing. It looks like two folks really want it, both with quite a bit of feedback - what's with that? And why are they bidding it up with 7 days to go?? Seems like there are REAL Volvo nuts out there....
Thanks for the input Shifty, I've never have heard of a salvage title due to a failed tranny either but then I thought its in California and they do things different out there.
I have a 1987 Volvo 740GLE sedan that belonged to my son until he got into a fender bender with it and then I got it. A few days ago I put in a fresh battery and it came back to life after sitting dormant for three years. I find that an admirable quality in a car however I have a list of all the things that suck on these cars. Maybe those people who've bid up that 88 wagon to over $14k will want to buy mine for one tenth.
That got me thinking...how does a car get a salvage title, anyway? The last time I had a car totaled, my '86 Monte Carlo, I kept the car and sold it for parts a few months later. The insurance company cut me a check for about $2100, but I still had the same title...nothing ever changed there.
Now that I think about it, same thing happened with my '69 Dart GT years ago, when I got run off the road and hit a traffic light pole sideways. Insurance company cut me a check, minus the salvage value since I held onto it, and I used that thing for parts for a few years to help keep my '68 running. Nothing ever happened with the title, though.
And, I even bought a car FROM the junkyard once, a 1979 Newport. However, it went in for a bad transmission, and was turned in by a private party, rather than the insurance company, so it just got sold to me as a used car with a regular title.
So would a salvage title come about if you try to buy a wrecked car back from the insurance company after they've taken possession of it, maybe? In my case, the ins company never took possession.
Something about that Volvo just smells odd. When you look at the bid history 48 of the 85 bids are from one guy u***w( 194) . In some cases he's bidding less than every minute, bumping the price, and with no counter bids intervening.
For example - this little string is interesting:
u***w( 194) US $13,000.00 Jul-22-09 07:54:09 PDT
u***w( 194) US $12,500.00 Jul-22-09 07:54:01 PDT
u***w( 194) US $12,000.00 Jul-22-09 07:53:48 PDT
u***w( 194) US $11,500.00 Jul-22-09 07:53:39 PDT
u***w( 194) US $11,000.00 Jul-22-09 07:52:59 PDT
Of course, this kind of thing is pointless unless there it someone else who wants the thing and has the money to waste ..... and it appears that there is. :confuse:
I guess that if U***194 accidently ended up with the high final bid, he's back out and the next highest sucker bidder would end up with a "Second Chance Offer"
Thing is, I'm not sure how those histories work. For instance, in that string you posted above, could it be that the previous bidder ( 5***5[0] US $10,500.00 Jul-22-09 04:54:29 PDT) was higher than $10,500 and u***w bid over and over to try to top it?
See... like this string here:
u***w( 194) US $9,000.00 Jul-21-09 03:38:18 PDT
e***e( 605) US $9,000.00 Jul-21-09 14:33:21 PDT
e***e( 605) US $8,800.00 Jul-21-09 09:32:26 PDT
e***e( 605) US $8,600.00 Jul-21-09 09:31:52 PDT
u***w( 194) US $8,500.00 Jul-21-09 03:38:09 PDT
So I interpret the above as u***w placing a bid of $9k at 3:38. Of course, only $8500 was needed to be top bid, so that's what shows. e888e comes along and starts bumping the bid a bit at a time. It, however, wasn't high enough to beat the original $9k bid, hence why the top bid in that string actually took place at 3:38, a whole 11 hours before e***e's bid of $9k. So while, at first, it may appear e***e kept outbidding himself, that was not the case.
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"...could it be that the previous bidder ( 5***5[0] US $10,500.00 Jul-22-09 04:54:29 PDT) was higher than $10,500 and u***w bid over and over to try to top it? "
Hmmmm - that might be.....
I don't know enough about how eBay bidding works to know. It would certainly make me feel much better......
That would just make u***w( 194) crazy..... not dishonest.
....I don't mean to double-post, but I need a lil advice on what to look for (I'm looking at another car on my never-ending beater quest). I posted on the 5-series forum, but no response. Car in question is an '88 528e automatic (yes, I know they're slow....this a second car, grocery getter so I don't care too much), 151k, new brakes and battery, supposedly fomer owner was a mechanic, car has been 'well maintained' (and has all repair records, which I love--judging by their locale, they have some $$), has a few cosmetic issues (one rust hole behind front wheel, broken glove box--I can get that on eBay for $30-50 and drivers seat rip--big deal, it's 22 years old). Paint (delphin) and interior (red leather) otherwise look pretty good, at least in pictures. Its asking price is quite low (and 'negotiable')....what should I offer him, IF I like the car.....? Wish me luck (the Celica fell through, he no longer wants to sell).
I guess most importantly: WHAT should I look for (potential problems...I've read mostly good things, save for potential electrical problems, and the need to 'keep on top' of problems')?
Sounds like $1000--$1200 should be more than enough.
Yes I think electrical glitches and AC problems would be your greatest concern. Other items to note are bad driveshaft (u-joints, NOT rebuildable--you'll need a whole shaft) which you can identify by a vibration in the car as you first start off. You don't want to be sinking too much into this car because it will never, ever, be worth anything more than you paid for it.
.....his asking price is below $1000; he already said the A/C is inop (not a concern for me, though I may have it checked out) and I did notice a few comments online re driveshafts, no coincidence, I guess (how much $$ are we talking to fix that?). Sounds like all the electrical 'stuff' (seats, sunroof, windows) work, I just keep hearing about shorts, gauges not working, unexplained draining of alternator/battery, etc. Sounds like this engine, while not exciting, is certainly durable if well cared for.
Everything you mentioned is an expensive fix....the AC could be anything from $300 to $2000. The driveshaft is probably a $600 repair unless you can scrounge a used unit.
But really anything in America today that runs, steers and stops, has all doors the same color, isn't emitting flames and has tires with thread on them is worth $1000.
I think if you want a 528e you could find a cherry one for $3000.
Well, I was originally going to give a higher number if all as described. But now you say the AC doesn't work. That cuts the value in half. So, yeah, $1200-$1500 is my new number. He's asking less than $1k? If it runs and drives good, done deal.
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....that's what I was thinking. I don't care at all about the a/c, just the heat (it's barely broken 80 here in Chicago all summer, lol). He's asking $900, negotiable....I may offer him $500-600 and we'll agree somewhere in the middle. Fingers crossed.
Be sure to drive it and romp on the gas so you can check for driveline vibration. If the AC compressor is not seized (you can spin it by hand) you *may* get lucky fixing it. If it's seized, then the whole system might be toast (metal contamination). An AC tech could inspect the expansion valve (behind the glove box) to check for contamination and this would give you a clue as to whether to proceed or give up on it.
I dunno. When my daughter totaled her/my car car a couple of years ago, I just signed the title over to the insurance company and they wrote me a check for the $2400 or whatever the car was worth.
So would a salvage title come about if you try to buy a wrecked car back from the insurance company after they've taken possession of it, maybe? In my case, the ins company never took possession
A coworker did that several years ago when his Camry was wrecked. The car was still drivable, but was declared a total loss by the insurance company. He got the payment from the insurance company, then turned around and bought it right back for the (I believe) salvage value. Then, he spent a thousand dollars or so to take of the major body parts that were damaged, and drove it for another couple of years. But, to your original question, I have no idea what kind of title he ended up with.
Yes when you buy it back from the insurance company they ask for your title and you have to go to DMV and get a salvage title. DMV is informed of the salvage.
But there seems to be loopholes here and there because I have seen ads from wrecking yards which advertise pretty smashed up "rebuildable" cars with "clear title". I don't know how that happens but it does happen.
If you think that checking with CARFAX makes you safe from buying a wrecked car, think again. It's not that accurate.
But there seems to be loopholes here and there because I have seen ads from wrecking yards which advertise pretty smashed up "rebuildable" cars with "clear title". I don't know how that happens but it does happen.
Could be different in Cali I guess, but what you're describing pretty much sums up my situation...I didn't buy back my cars from the insurance company per se, but rather took a reduced check, with the salvage value minused out, and kept possession the whole time. A fine line, I guess, but evidently it makes a difference.
However, one factor that might come into play is that after each accident, I was able to drive the Dart and the Monte Carlo back home. So it's not like they got towed away and someone else took physical possession of them. So maybe that's the difference?
CarFax is a joke. I have a 2002 Blazer xTreme sitting in the garage right now that came with a clear CarFax. It also came with a rebuilt front end, and a not-from-the-factory quarter panel.
The work was done well, but probably cost in excess of $4K.
I sold a Miata to a guy who wanted it for racing....it had been in 3 accidents totalling $18,000 in damage, and it had a clear title and a good CARFAX report.
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Because there was only one type of Ferrari ever made right?
I have trouble believing any historic car speak coming from a guy who who calls his car an "Alpha Romeo" :sick:
created in Giorgetto Giugiaro's Italdesign....the influence shows....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Ohh that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. Is it built on the same assembly line as The Ferrari too?
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The Aveo ad copy is hilarious. And 10K for a 3 year old Aveo? For barely any more I can get a same year Civic or Corolla. Give me a break,
Yeah, a 190SL can cost a lot, with a quality restoration, preferably by a known shop. I can see the tires are not correct on that one, which doesn't bode well.
Opel seller has a mind apparently tainted by crack.
Renault seller is the same as the Citroen guy. Those wire wheels are heinous.
that would be something to see, an 70s or 80s Alfa Romeo on a Ferrari assembly line!! Let's see, does this one get the Carbon Fiber body with the V-12 or the 4 cylinder engine with cardboard door panels?
I'd probably sooner pay $3500 for the first Nomad than $6k for that Nova-bucket and its parts.....but that's just me, probably not market-accurate.
That F-85 sedan is QUITE nice for the price (especially given all the work done)....BUT, is it a V8 or six? Most are V-8s (the 330) but as he doesn't specify, I gotta wonder.
The lost soul w/the '87 Firebird.....um, lessee.... V6 (and either a 5-speed or an automatic, no matter, really), in primer, but WOW....it has a new rear defroster, the AM/FM ETR and TILT WHEEL (gasp!!).....and must 'sell to the right person' (who, presumably, is blind and from Mars). Nine thousand dollars (I wonder if he's one of those "I 'need' $XYZ ten-times-what-its-worth" guys. Yeah.
The "Playboy Pink" Fairlane I understand, sort of.... Sh+t happens when the marketing guys throw one against the wall to see what sticks... but guy who did the Riv... THAT man is just evil.
I keep posting those early Datsun convertibles because I've always wanted one. But I keep thinking that $5 or $6 K ought to get me a really nice one. I can't imagine what you could do that would justify the other $6K this guy wants. Will he get it?
I was kind of sad about the Shelby replica. When I read that it has a signed dash, my first thought was "Ol Shel will sign anything including a bowl of chili."
Real nice
Another one that he wants stupid money for
Funny, then, that the white one, which looks no better, really is three times as much.....$47k for ANY Riviera is insane, that one's gonna have a birthday unless they cut the price at least in half.
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Since when does an immaculate late '80s Volvo wagon command that much money? If anything, my guess would be that it is worth about $6000 tops, even with that low mileage. 740s are considered undesirable by most of the buying public.
No, the salvage story sounds totally bogus to me.
IN any event, on a car like this, you can knock off at least 50% of value. Remember the rule:
"Whatever gets you into a car cheaply will come back to haunt you when you sell"
Also, I presume you are aware of the punishing, mind-boggling, staggering cost of parts and repairs on these cars? This is the same engine that propels the MB 600 limousines of the same era. Also it has air suspension and various other complex systems, all obsolete and expensive.
Unless you have pretty deep pockets and an enduring love for these cars (and they are special), you need to go in with both eyes fully open. This car approaches maintenance and repair costs equaling a Ferrari or Rolls Royce.
I think a water pump is about $1500 last time I looked (just for the part) and distributor cap something like $300--$400.
My neighbors had one of those, a 1989 model, in that same color. It was a nice car, but once it got up to around 90,000 miles, it was going in the shop about every month, to the tune of $1000 a pop.
I was also once told the suspension will fail every several years, and it costs thousands to fix, too.
Those are fascinating cars, but unless I win a lottery, I will never own one.
It's a cool piece of preservation....but come on.
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No problem. Ferrari will make you an identical new engine and stamp it with the original's serial number---all for a price, of course.
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I remember when those cars were new, I thought the "Intercooler" badge was somehow exotic.
Now that I think about it, same thing happened with my '69 Dart GT years ago, when I got run off the road and hit a traffic light pole sideways. Insurance company cut me a check, minus the salvage value since I held onto it, and I used that thing for parts for a few years to help keep my '68 running. Nothing ever happened with the title, though.
And, I even bought a car FROM the junkyard once, a 1979 Newport. However, it went in for a bad transmission, and was turned in by a private party, rather than the insurance company, so it just got sold to me as a used car with a regular title.
So would a salvage title come about if you try to buy a wrecked car back from the insurance company after they've taken possession of it, maybe? In my case, the ins company never took possession.
For example - this little string is interesting:
u***w( 194) US $13,000.00 Jul-22-09 07:54:09 PDT
u***w( 194) US $12,500.00 Jul-22-09 07:54:01 PDT
u***w( 194) US $12,000.00 Jul-22-09 07:53:48 PDT
u***w( 194) US $11,500.00 Jul-22-09 07:53:39 PDT
u***w( 194) US $11,000.00 Jul-22-09 07:52:59 PDT
Of course, this kind of thing is pointless unless there it someone else who wants the thing and has the money to waste ..... and it appears that there is. :confuse:
I guess that if U***194 accidently ended up with the high final bid, he's back out and the next highest
suckerbidder would end up with a "Second Chance Offer"See... like this string here:
u***w( 194) US $9,000.00 Jul-21-09 03:38:18 PDT
e***e( 605) US $9,000.00 Jul-21-09 14:33:21 PDT
e***e( 605) US $8,800.00 Jul-21-09 09:32:26 PDT
e***e( 605) US $8,600.00 Jul-21-09 09:31:52 PDT
u***w( 194) US $8,500.00 Jul-21-09 03:38:09 PDT
So I interpret the above as u***w placing a bid of $9k at 3:38. Of course, only $8500 was needed to be top bid, so that's what shows. e888e comes along and starts bumping the bid a bit at a time. It, however, wasn't high enough to beat the original $9k bid, hence why the top bid in that string actually took place at 3:38, a whole 11 hours before e***e's bid of $9k. So while, at first, it may appear e***e kept outbidding himself, that was not the case.
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Hmmmm - that might be.....
I don't know enough about how eBay bidding works to know. It would certainly make me feel much better......
That would just make u***w( 194) crazy..... not dishonest.
I'm used to crazy... I see that all the time.
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I guess most importantly: WHAT should I look for (potential problems...I've read mostly good things, save for potential electrical problems, and the need to 'keep on top' of problems')?
Yes I think electrical glitches and AC problems would be your greatest concern. Other items to note are bad driveshaft (u-joints, NOT rebuildable--you'll need a whole shaft) which you can identify by a vibration in the car as you first start off. You don't want to be sinking too much into this car because it will never, ever, be worth anything more than you paid for it.
But really anything in America today that runs, steers and stops, has all doors the same color, isn't emitting flames and has tires with thread on them is worth $1000.
I think if you want a 528e you could find a cherry one for $3000.
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So would a salvage title come about if you try to buy a wrecked car back from the insurance company after they've taken possession of it, maybe? In my case, the ins company never took possession
A coworker did that several years ago when his Camry was wrecked. The car was still drivable, but was declared a total loss by the insurance company. He got the payment from the insurance company, then turned around and bought it right back for the (I believe) salvage value. Then, he spent a thousand dollars or so to take of the major body parts that were damaged, and drove it for another couple of years. But, to your original question, I have no idea what kind of title he ended up with.
But there seems to be loopholes here and there because I have seen ads from wrecking yards which advertise pretty smashed up "rebuildable" cars with "clear title". I don't know how that happens but it does happen.
If you think that checking with CARFAX makes you safe from buying a wrecked car, think again. It's not that accurate.
Could be different in Cali I guess, but what you're describing pretty much sums up my situation...I didn't buy back my cars from the insurance company per se, but rather took a reduced check, with the salvage value minused out, and kept possession the whole time. A fine line, I guess, but evidently it makes a difference.
However, one factor that might come into play is that after each accident, I was able to drive the Dart and the Monte Carlo back home. So it's not like they got towed away and someone else took physical possession of them. So maybe that's the difference?
The work was done well, but probably cost in excess of $4K.