Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,176
    Something in the back of my mind says they might have had a (small) rear-facing seat. Kind of a motion sickness special, if you ask me.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Oh they certainly had a rear facing nausea seat. I spent a lot of quality time back there making faces at the people behind us and what not. Good times.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Anyone dreaming about Plymouth Volares really needs a life...
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    anyone dreaming about Plymouth Volares needs psychiatric help.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,903
    anyone dreaming about Plymouth Volares is still wearing plaid polyester bell-bottoms! :P
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,903
    Fiat 1 looks like it would be a fun car to drive... and I could haul it in the back of my pickup when it broke down! :D
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,903
    "You'd have to be brave"

    I am not sure that "brave" is the right descriptor there......
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,176
    Logically, you're right, but don't these have some of the most devoted/insane collectors around?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Ah I don't old Land Rovers are a big deal. They are primitive things and I don't expect that the restoration process would be that difficult. They are so simple in construction.

    Now a rough XKE---THAT'S "bravery" of the first order.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,114
    anyone dreaming about Plymouth Volares is still wearing plaid polyester bell-bottoms!

    I don't dream about Volares, but I gotta confess that I came close to owning one once. Back in late 1996, when my '68 Dart was pushing the 330,000 mile mark and really starting to show its age, I began a quest for something newer/lower mileage. I found a '76 Newport 4-door hardtop with a 440 for sale at a local park and sell that looked good at a quick glance. But upon closer inspection, it was pretty scary. Especially once it started spraying fuel! So I passed.

    Well, I found out my grandmother's cousin had decided to sell her '79 Volare wagon. It was a 2-tone black-over-silver with a red vinyl interior, and was actually pretty sharp looking. It was rust-free, and the paint looked great. The only things notable wrong with it were that the passenger side front door wouldn't open, and the pegboard headliner was falling in. But hey, for $300 it seemed like a steal. Unfortunately, some distant relation from down in the Appalachians beat me to it.

    Back in 1979, when my Mom was thinking about a new car, she was tempted by the Volare. Back when Grandma's cousin bought that thing new, my Mom took a liking to it. I think she really liked the idea of a wagon that small, which at the time was still a bit of a novelty in the domestic scene. The Volare pretty much re-introduced the compact wagon, which, unless you count the Hornet (which didn't have a full rear opening, just a window hatch) was a bodystyle that hadn't been seen since perhaps the '66 Dart/Valiant or the '67 Chevy II wagons. The Falcon wagon was actually a re-skinned Fairlane from '66 on, and was generally considered a midsize.

    Anyway, Mom ended up with a 1980 Malibu coupe, which ended up being my first car. I guess if she had gone for the Volare, it would've ended up being my first car. Which would've sucked, because it would've ended up being an '80, with the square headlights and the wussy 85 hp slant six. I actually kinda like the round headlight styles, but the 1980 models make me think too much of a Fairmont. Which isn't surprising, because former Ford stylists were doing them by that time.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I think Volvo did offer a thrid row rear facing seat at least on the 7 series models.

    My parents had a 89 Chevy Caprice wagon with rear facing seats. I twas actually fun riding in the back, but I wouldn't want to think what would happen in a big rear end collision.

    I think manufacturers should reintroduce rear facing seats, but install airbags in the hatch to give those riders some protection :P

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    The V70 series and XC70 wagons still have third row rear facing streets.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,903
    I saw a Volvo just a couple weeks ago where two young children (maybe 5/6ish) were riding in the rear-facing seats. I could not tell if they were in seats or not, and the seat belts were oddly placed, so it looked like it was some homemade thing.

    Apparently I was wrong, but it still looked like a very unsafe place to be seated... though fun!
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  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    My parents had a 89 Chevy Caprice wagon with rear facing seats. I twas actually fun riding in the back, but I wouldn't want to think what would happen in a big rear end collision.

    How much room do you think there is between the back seat and the gate on a minivan or 3 row SUV? Chrysler got in trouble for some issue with the rear latch and having the third having kids fall out the back and get squished in rear end collisions.

    A rearward facing seat is actually good for wiplash protection.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    The Volvo 240s definitely had a rear-facing third seat. I believe it was dealer-installed and came with two lap/shoulder belts, so you could carry 7 people in total. But the third row seats were too small for adults.

    When I was in a 5-member carpool in the mid-80s in the DC area, one driver had a 1984 Pontiac Parisienne wagon and another a 1984 Olds Custom Cruiser wagon. I'd sometimes ride in the rear-facing third seat for more room, although looking at headlights in the evening wasn't the most fun thing! These were the nicer cars of my carpooling days.

    Hard to believe it, but when I first joined a carpool, I actually had 5 people in my '80 Volvo 240 2-door sedan when it was my turn to drive! That was roomy though compared to sitting in the middle rear seat of a Horizon (I'm serious -- and it was downright painful). And that also reminds me of the AMC Matador 2-door with drooping headliner secured by huge safety pins! That broke down on the side of I-66. :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    1800 hours? Oh please, they built the pyramids faster than that.

    That's 6 skilled men working 9 to 5 for over two months straight.

    If professionally done in my part of the US, that restoration would cost $234,000 in labor alone. Very expensive Datsun!

    I guess if you included the time to smelt the iron ore, and bring the chrome to Japan from South Africa....well, then....okay.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That Infiniti J30 should go straight to the junkyard. Amd the owner should go back to grade 1 for basic english lessons.

    I like the Mustang conv. That generation of Mustangs have always been a favourite of mine. Wouldn't mind having one. Price seems decent.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    Boom, that GT convertiible is a 5 speed which makes it even more attractive. For the price, I think that it's a really good weekend car. It also looks like the seller has a really nice driveway, so if he's got money the car has likely been maintained.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    nobody said he was a fast worker. ;b

    what's the datsun worth, anyway?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,746
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    DATSUN ROADSTER -- Gee, I dunno, maybe worth $10K if it's a beauty?

    Austin Healey BJ8-- price is about double fair market, yes. Seller hoping to find a dope.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Maybe interested in a 83-85 Mustang or a Harley Davidson (Not sportsters too small)

    Here's a guy with an X1-9 who thinks that a Sportster is "too small"?

    I'm also having trouble imagining anybody with a Mustang or a Harley who would be interested in trading it for the world's tiniest second tiniest Fiat. :confuse:
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    As I've mentioned before, I have a fetish for these.... I've wanted one for years decades. Only the (promised) expense of divorce proceedings prevents me from having one.

    As for 1800 hrs - restoring one would definitely take me that long as my wife has a jealousy of inanimate objects that I find hard to comprehend.

    Whenever I'd work on my bikes, she'd be out to the garage every 20 minutes asking, "aren't you done yet?" So it would be "pick up a wrench, turn it once, leave, come back, pick up a wrench...."
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well at least owning a Fiat he'd be used to parts falling off. Did you hear about the Harley gang member arrested for committing a push-by shooting? :P

    1800 HOURS -- oh, I was just trying to be cute. But advertising that # of hours can suggest incompetence as much as TLC if you think about it.

    I knew a guy who was obsessive like that about his work. Interestingly, he got into so many mind games with all that noodling, that he often did work that looked great but didn't work worth a damn. He constantly outsmarted himself because he had too much time to think about everything. So he not only restored, but "improved" and "experimented".

    How obsessive? He painted the INSIDE of his engine block.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,114
    That '77 Cougar is kind of an odd beast. Looking at the interior, I'd be inclined to think that it is low mileage. Now that picture doesn't show EVERYTHING, but the only thing I see wrong with it is the way the rubber part on the armrest faded to a different color...something that was very common in the 70's. I'm wondering if the car just sat outside alot and wasn't really taken care of? The paint and the vinyl top seem to suggest that. But then, even if the interior didn't get worn out from use, I'd still think that sun-fading would've played hell with the seat, door trim, dash pad, etc.

    I'm also wondering about the way the hood lines up with the header panel. They built them sloppy back then, but I'd hope not THAT sloppy!
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    That Car was a Carport queen. I recognize the symptoms. My Granddad had a 67 Beetle where the same thing happened. He never drove it; it just sat for years. Oh, and there's a less visible symptom of carport living too - the entire bottom of the car rusted away, including the brake lines. That's the day I learned what the "emergency" in "emergency brake" means..... I think that if you drive them they dry out, but if they just sit...

    In today's cars, I wonder if you could even stop the car with one. I'm sure that my 325i has a "Parking Brake" and NOT an "Emergency Brake".
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,746
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    I'll see your "nice description" and raise you a horrific body kit. :P

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,746
    Oooh that's a hard act to follow...those rear fenders hurt my eyes

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    This is probably fun, too
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'm looking for.....for....wait....I can see it now...it is beginning to materialize.....I'm looking for a completely rusted 4-door 50s sedan...preferably one for which there are no parts....I...can...almost....touch...it!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,903
    Fintail: The rear fenders?! It is the front fenders that are curling my stomach!!

    I dunno, that Chieftain is looking very attractive. Such a survivor... such a price! :sick:
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It looks like they pulled it up from a reef.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,903
    Hahahahaha! I would have paid more for the coral they scraped off it; might be some good aquarium specimens there! ;)
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,114
    I kinda like that '54 Pontiac. I think part of the reason though is that color makes me think of the '53 DeSoto Firedome my Granddad had. Even has a similar roofline.

    As for rust, most of that actually just looks like surface scale to me. Basically, what you'd get on your rake or shovel if you left it out in the rain long enough. It's the kind of stuff that forms once the paint and primer thin down and expose the metal. Now, if left long enough, it'll eat all the way through, but I'd imagine that most of that would just sand off. It's the type of stuff that forms from the outside first, not like the more serious, cancerous rust that forms from inside and has a chance to get really bad before it bubbles up to the top.

    Now, around the hood ornament, that spot on the lower left fender right behind the wheel, and along some of that trim, and the rockers, I'd imagine there's some more serious rust. Also looks like it might've been patched around the headlight.

    Hell, if I had a major '54 Pontiac fetish, I might give the guy $300 for it. I think it's definitely salvageable. If you can find a '54 Pontiac fetishist that loves it enough! :P
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Check out this. I didn't know (fake) wood paneling was put on a 60s convertible. And get a load of that avocado interior!
    The rear end looks remarkably similar to a '64 full-size Pontiac. So does the side profile for that matter. Is that rust I see peaking through the small opening in the trunk mat next to the spare tire?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,114
    I think woodgrain was actually pretty common on Mercury convertibles back in the 60's. At least, I've seen plenty of pictures of them equipped that way, and a few in person. Pretty hideous though, IMO, and just drives home the "land yacht" analogy.

    I never really thought of it before, but yeah, it does look kinda like a '64 Pontiac in profile and at the rear. And yup, that does look like rust under the trunk mat. Somehow I get the feeling this car is just a tad overpriced. :)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    59,000??

    That Merc is SO ugly!

    At least they could remove those hokey fender skirts and white mud flaps!

    All it needs now is a continental kit!
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Well, at least the fender skirts probably came from the factory. As for the mud flaps, maybe Pep Boys or JC Whitney? :P
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Well, at least the fender skirts probably came from the factory. As for the mud flaps, maybe Pep Boys or JC Whitney?

    Why anyone would buy mud flaps from Pep Boys that don't have that curvy chrome lady on them is beyond me :P

    *** I kid, I kid ***
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    "All it needs now is a continental kit!"

    I was unable to download the pic for this Merc, but a vinyl roof would be a cool complement to the woodgrain, the continental kit, and the mud flaps. Might as well go the whole nine yards.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    It's already got a vinyl roof, since it's a convertible!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Anything ruins the look of an old car like fender skirts and continental kits!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Surface rust is more serious than it appears to be. The entire surface is pitted, hence you cannot sand it or even sand-blast it. You have to dunk the entire panel in chemicals, or it will come back. Sand-blasting just peens over the hole and seals the rust inside (think of a small hole that now has a little lid over it from the blasting).

    Cars like that '54 are best left as parts cars. Restoring something like this makes one a three-time loser. First you end up buried in the car financially; second the thing is ugly; and third, no one will even look at it for more than 10 seconds. I'm not sure what payoff that leaves for the poor soul who puts all that blood sweat and treasure into such an enterprise. One can't even justify it historically.

    The shovel analogy is a good one---maybe it's like restoring an old farm tool---and we all know how exciting that is!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,746
    Didn't Chrysler make some questionable looking faux woody convertibles in the 60s, too?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I like the part about "no rust found". Okay, take off the blindfold and try again--LOL! also the part about "no out of country buyers" is pretty hysterical. I guess those collectors in Monaco will just have to do without.
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