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19mpg is pretty disappointing and just goes to show how badly the EPA tests are in need of changes.
-juice
She runs a lot of errands during a normal day. Falling down into, and climbing up out of her 626, is exhausting. The truck has the opposite effect, but is not as objectionable and she doesn't use it as much.
I cannot find this measurement for any car/suv on the web and I am disinclined to visit all of the dealerships with my yardstick. I estimate it by subtracting the front headroom value from the overall vehicle height value, but I think this is wildly inaccurate.
Since the list of possible-next cars includes the subject of this forum, I was hoping that somebody would, in their spare time, measure the height above ground to the middle (more or less) of the seat cushion (i.e. the top-center of the horizontal seating surface) and post that value here.
I have read these forums extensively over the past few weeks and I have not seen any discussion of this. I beg your pardon if I missed it and am being redundant.
Thanks in advance.
I've yet to experience any paint problems with any of my cars since my first one in 1973. Even the '82 Toyota I drove for 17 years barely faded.
"Car paint is protected with coatings right in the factory ... making additional sealants redundant."
Rip-off room revisited (CNN Money)
Sorry, none of it looks worth it to me.
Steve, Host
I was considering trying a tank of premium though because under light acceleration I hear something that sounds alarmingly like engine knock.
- Martin
I have driven 6+ RAV4s and rememember it as easy to get into, no down and not much up. But really, go try one.
Tank 1-22.5
Tank 2-22.9
Tank 3-23.5
I'm unsure if the increase is a direct result of warmer weather here in Albany, NY or just the engine breaking in. We have 1500 miles on our RAV now. I'll update again in a month.
The invoice is 23130 + 400 = 23530
Dealer quote 24208.
I wiil be paying 678 above invoice correct ?
I am planning to offer 23800 and see if they accept.
Fitzmall do not have my choice of color in stock and I need it ASAP.
Click here.
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-juice
The stories I have been told by the consumers themselves - re: damage to the bare factory paint from love bugs and tree sap etc. has convinced me that the product works. And I have only seen one warranty come across my desk in 6 years. It was for tree sap that had stripped an unprotected portion of his roof. The problem was corrected and we paid ALL the bill AND a rental as well. No questions asked.
The interior seals work almost all the time - with the exception of red dyes (juices). The beauty is that the purchase of the interior protection provides the WARRANTY - that will pay the expense of removing any stains that may remain after an attempt is made to clean the area by the customer.
By the way - I have NEVER turned down a claim. And though the warranty is only for edibles and drinkables, it is the policy of the company who provides the product and warranty to pay the expense on all claims for the interior stains regardless of the cause. (Another reason the customers are repeat buyers)
Thanks!
Martin: "I'm using 87 (regular) octane to get my 19 mpg"
scotty: "I am consistently getting around 18-19 mpg"
hannahsmummy: "V6 base with 3rd row seat, and I've filled it up 7 times and got consistently around 24 mpg each time"
silverphx: 20.2 MPG, 21.4 MPG, 22.7 MPG
Those are the V6 reports I've seen lately. Half the people are average in the teens and the EPA is 20/27 even with AWD. Only hannasmummy is where she should be.
I did a similar poll for the Subaru Tribeca when it came out, and we observed a similar pattern, i.e. half the reports over 20 mpg. But the EPA numbers are much lower, just 18/23.
It's early, let's see if the numbers improve.
-juice
I'm curious - does anyone happen to know whether the EPA tests are done on vehicles that are broken in?
tidester, host
Mr_Shiftright, "Teflon Paint Sealants Revisited" #4, 9 Jul 2003 9:50 pm
Steve, Host
and strictly done in the lab. No hills to climb, wind resistance or any other real world conditions. Consumer Reports are usually more accurate in their MPG ratings.
Their full review of the I4 and the V6 is due out in a few months.
I went from a very small, very fuel efficient car, to what for me is quite a bit bigger vehicle, and since my commute is 30 miles to work each way, I wanted to make sure that I wasn't going too crazy on gas consumption.
The rear is more complicated. Toyota's instructions are to remove the rear bumper cover so one has room and access to drill 2 new holes in the bumper. The wheel gets in the way. There are are 2 dimples identifying where to drill. I was concerned about damage to the bumper and body during removal so I deviated from the Toyota procedure and removed the rear wheel instead for drilling. You put in 2 spring clips on the new holes and they attach the mudguard with 4 screws utilizing existing holes as well.
The black mudguards look extremely sharp and the black matches the window trim.
Sport model mudguards installation is different and does not require drilling. Make sure you get the right mudguard part number for your particualar model for their is different mounting hardware involved.
hannahsmummy: hey, I'm the same way. I actually have a mileage chart in Excel, I keep entering data, I even graph it. You can find out all sorts of things.
For instance, I average my MPG by the seasons, and spring and fall are best. I lose about 1 mpg in the summer (A/C) but I lose 2mpg in the winter (extreme cold).
I think it's very useful, keep doing that!
-juice
Has anyone else heard this?
Also, has anyone compared the JBL to the upgraded std stereo? I am mainly interested in getting the subwoofer. My current vehicle has a Sub Tube that tends to take up usable space. The JBL upgrade has the sub tucked nicely in the side panel. But, if the sound quality is not "noticably" better, maybe I shouldn't pay the extra $$.
They are also telling me 3-4 months for delivery. That puts me into August, and the 2007's will be shipping in (2) more months (October). Maybe I should wait for a 2007? :confuse:
I have not heard JBL but did hear 6cd, thought it was average. Also the JBL thing is in the rear door. And several people here have been reporting noise and vibration from it If you go to the Toyota site and do a build and buy, for your zip code, you can see what options can be had with what models in your region Good luck
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=654
Updated, (5 minutes later) the test criteria has changed see "Nine vehicles for verification"
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr033006.html
The Yellow A is not that great...:(
It's the on the side impact and whiplash minimization criteria that they concentrate all their efforts now.
Can someone please tell me what is a good deal on a 2006 V6 Sport 4x4 w/ moonroof, side airbags...I'm negotiating with a dealer and not sure how much is reasonable. I've looked on Kelly Blue Book and the invoice for this car with options I want..is around $25,000. Is this accurate? If so, how much over invoice is reasonable?
thanks~
Have fun shopping!
Steve, Host
I am a bit disappointed of this.
Check out the small picture on the right, notice the position of the wheel afterwards.......not good!
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=28
Does this happen only in 4 speed box. ?