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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    That Zil is, umm...interesting. From the back it somehow manages to look like a '62-ish Imperial, '58-60 Lincoln, and '58 Caddy all at once!

    Kinda odd from up front, too...
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    Sorta looks like a cross between a '58 Imperial and a '61-62 Cadillac.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    The car next to it (ZiL-115?) has a Chrysler roofline that could've come right off a '55 or '56 fourdoor.

    Leonid Brezhnev is the guy standing on the left, I don't recognize the other Commie.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,514
    Looks like a GEN I Monte Carlo.. :confuse:

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Looks to be a Holden of some sort .. so yeah, could be similar to an early 70's Monte - big V8, RWD.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I'm gonna guess a 1972 Holden Monaro? Front-end makes me think of a '70-72 Monte, but also a bit of '71-72 Chevelle. Looks like it has Pontiac Rally 2 wheels on it. My grandparents' '72 Impala was a shade of green close to that, which is probably why 1972 was the first year to pop in my head.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Holden Torana early 1970's?

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    The car to the left of the ZIL is Chaika, while the following car is another ZIL - I think it is a 114.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Holden HJ GTS -at least according to the front plate. THe HJ range was introduced in 1974 I think
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    My previous answer should have read Holden HJ Monaro GTS - and that model was introduced in Oct 1974.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Magnette got it, by reading the plate :P It does resemble an early Monte Carlo, as Holden would typically borrow their styling cues from whatever Chevy was doing a few years previous.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Opel Omega/Caddy Catera...born in 1994 IIRC, came to NA for MY 1997 I think.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    And also, IIRC, the donor platform for my current ride .. 2003 Saturn L-series, which has the unique distinction of combining American depreciation rates with European repair costs.

    Sigh.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Sold here as the Vauxhall Omega - just a re-badge of the Opel, of course.

    Loads of these were used as police patrol cars by various county constabularies, filling the gap left when the Rover 800 series and the Ford Scorpio finished.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I thought the L-series was sort of derived from the Saab 9-5? I remember seeing an L-series wagon and a 9-5 wagon parked at the curb once, one behind the other, and they bore more than a passing resemblance to each other.

    As for the Catera/Opel Omega, I think the Pontiac GTO is essentially a modernized, 2-door version of it.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I thought the L-series was sort of derived from the Saab 9-5?

    Nope, my understanding is that the L-series is a cousin to the Omega .. same 3.0L 60-degree V6 as found in the Catera - the Caddy made 200 HP, while my Saturn only puts out 181 HP.
  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    Nope, my understanding is that the L-series is a cousin to the Omega .. same 3.0L 60-degree V6 as found in the Catera - the Caddy made 200 HP, while my Saturn only puts out 181 HP.

    Right on the engine, wrong on the donor car. The Cadillac Catera was based on the rear-wheel drive Omega. The Saturn L-Series was based on the front-wheel drive Opel Vectra. And the 3.0L Catera/L-Series V6 was a 54-degree engine, not 60.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    That's right .. thanks for the clarification. I had forgotten that the Catera was RWD.

    When I first bought my L-series, I had a parking lot attendant mistake it for a Cadillac.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    The Saturn L-Series was based on the front-wheel drive Opel Vectra. And the 3.0L Catera/L-Series V6 was a 54-degree engine, not 60.

    So then did the Opel Vectra of the time have anything in common with the Saab 9-5?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    The Vectra is the same as a Saab 9-3
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    As for the Catera/Opel Omega, I think the Pontiac GTO is essentially a modernized, 2-door version of it.

    Approximately, yes. The Omega was the basis for what became the 1997 Holden Commodore. Holden made a lot of alterations to suit the Australian market, though the styling remained largely intact. The Commodore, of course, would go on to spawn the revived Monaro coupe that was rebadged as the ill-fated Pontiac GTO.

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  • karsickkarsick Member Posts: 312
    Any truth to the rumor that Holden is doing a joint venture micro-van with Renault and SmartCar?

    That's right, the Holden Espace ForTwo :P
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Well, nobody wanted my little black sports car... It's a Quantum, made in the late 80's/early 90's, it was offered either as a kit or fully built - mechanical bits from a Ford Fiesta, so FWD, and most of them had 1600 engine from Fiesta XR2.

    They built several hundred, including some coupes, and I think the design was sold on to a firm in Iran in the early 90's.

    I'm off down the pub now, once I finish work, so I thought I would tell you what this one was before I left...

    Cheers....
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    I was going to guess a botched up Miata...good thing I didn't :P
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    I thought 15879 would go quickly but it has been up for quite a long time. Anyone?

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Alfa Romeo logo for sure.

    I love those italian names. Everything sounds cool.

    It's probably an Alfa Romeo Duetto Spyder Capuccino Bambino Rigatoni.

    Something like that.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Well you've got the Alfa-Romeo part, anyone else? Going...

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Going...gone. The wheel belongs to my favorite Alfa, the 1967-68 Alfa-Romeo 1750 GTV >

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    Sorry about the pedestrian name, Juice, the 1750 GTV was a direct descendant of the more exotic-sounding Giulia Sprint Veloce 1600. ;)

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Brilliance BS6. Hopefully, they don't do this anymore:

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    The BS6 has just been introduced in Europe. The maker says it has been extensively re-engineered since the disastrous results in the crash safety tests illustrated.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    You have good taste andy, the Alfa-Romeo 1750 GTV is one of my favorite coupes of all time. You gotta love that Italian styling.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    but I have never seen it posted here.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    It's a VW type 181, known in the USA as the Volkswagen Thing.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Wow ,it took seven minutes for you to get it. I will need to double your prize money.

    It's a '74 to be exact, but I don't think they changed much over the years.
  • lostwrenchlostwrench Member Posts: 288
    1947 Chevy Fleetmaster.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Facel Vega HK500 - 1959/61
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    What's French for "Right on the money, Magnette"?

    I Facel-Vegas.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    Movie still from "Strangers on a Train (1951).

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    1948 Cadillac 75 Fleetwood
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Must be a big Caddy Series 75, as the limit here is postwar I will say 1946-47
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Caddy Series 75, as the limit here is postwar I will say 1946-47

    Pretty close, it's a 1948 Cadillac Series 75. There was one still doing Limousine duty in Midtown Manhattan back in the 70s. It so outclassed every stretch
    Lincoln and pretentious Roller that I decided if I could ever afford to be driven around, I'd get one and have it fixed up with an up-to-date Northstar V8 drive train.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    We were in central London some weeks ago on a Friday night, and walking back to the tube we passed the side of the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden. There are usually various limos around this part of town - including stretched Lincolns, Benzes and the usual Rollers, but there was one car that stood out - a real classic. It was a 1938 Rolls Royce Phantom III - the V12 one from the late thirties. I talked to the driver, although he wouldn't say who he was waiting for. It looked so classy, compared with modern tin...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    This is a '37 Rolls Phantom>

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    Very elegant, but I think I prefer the Caddy. I have a weakness for cars and speedboats with split-Vee windshields.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Same chassis, but the one we saw was a razor-edged beauty, Freestone & Webb, I think, with at least some attempt at streamlining. I wish I'd had my camera, although it was late evening so it would have been difficult to shoot.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

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