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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Who're "Mickey and Tacey?" They look like Lucy and Desi to me?

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    That was the characters' names in "The Long, Long Trailer". Instead of Lucy and Ricky it was Tacey and Mickey. Or was it Nickey? I can't remember now.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Don't be fooled by the sponsorship decals on this>

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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Bad Autoextremist link for me. I can right-click copy and paste into the address bar and get it to open ok.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    ...to see one of these, like I did yesterday:
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  • lostwrenchlostwrench Member Posts: 288
    Fred and Ethel Mertz lived on East 68th St.
    The Ricardos moved into the building on August 6, 1948.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    2008 Hyundai Accent SE 3 door ?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Nope, not a Hyundai
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I have no idea on that one, but it's kinda cool. Looks sort of like a squashed down International Travellal with a '61 Dodge front-end grafted on. I'm sure it's some kind of early 60's export model, and nothing that was ever sold in the US.
  • msacksmsacks Member Posts: 5
    Nice post
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    It's some kind of Mexican or South American model...I know I saw that in one of the old 'Automobile Year' books when I was a kid.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    for Bumpy to reveal the ID of the mystery Chevy truck, hop into this beauty>

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  • karsickkarsick Member Posts: 312
    Late 50's Mecr 300SL convertible.

    Yummy (but I'd still prefer a true gullwing)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    That's a beautifully crafted interior, but good lord, how did big/tall/chunky people fit in sportscars back then?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I think there were less big and tall people back then...although Germans have always been pretty stout...maybe you were just outta luck if you wanted a sportscar.

    Odd to see those wheels on a roadster, too.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    maybe you were just outta luck if you wanted a sportscar.

    I never thought of it but lots of people probably couldn't fit into sportscars, then and now. 300SLs were a lot bigger than most sportsters of the day, I think a big person would have an even harder time getting into the Gullwing version. OTOH early Corvettes had big wide seats and tall windshields so lots of people that couldn't fit comfortably into a Jag or Porsche could go that route.

    Now I'm only 5'6" but I can't squeeze into a Honda S2000 or a Lotus Elise, age probably has something to do with it. When I weighed 125 (age 18) I fit very nicely into a Frog-Eye Sprite.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I know it's a Toyota Celica, but not sure of the year. I'd guess that generation ran from around 1987-91, give or take? Deteriorated paint aside, I think that style has aged rather well.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Our people carrier is the Brazilian-built Chevy Veraneio. Start with an early-60s C-10 chassis and add a body that looks half-truck, half '62 Impala. That body continued to the late '80s when it was replaced with something that looked like an overgrown 1st-gen Explorer.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I am sure the entrance and egress from the gullwing disqualified a lot of people too. I have never experienced it myself, but it looks like it could be awkward. Usually when a car has a removeable steering wheel, that's a clue it is pretty cramped too...made for guys under 5'10 and 180lbs maybe. I'm 6'1" and not getting any thinner with age, so I just stay away from such cars, I know I won't be comfortable.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Very close, it was made from 86-89, and it did age well. They also made a cool and now rare AWD version
  • karsickkarsick Member Posts: 312
    Dis anyone guess the black supermini hot hatch yet?

    It looks to me like a Spanish SEAT ( I believe it's called the Ibiza, basically a rebodied VW Polo)

    Is that a SEAT? :confuse:
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    From Dazed and Confused:

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  • karsickkarsick Member Posts: 312
    Yes, it's a shame Toyota dropped the AWD AllTrac Celica, pulled out of rallying altogether, and wasted the last 8yrs in F1. :cry:

    Here's a clip from (their) glory years in WRC ;) ...
    .http://youtube.com/watch?v=nrzTGfK9hkU

    I got to spend a few seasons co-driving in a buddy's AllTrac rally car here locally. Very hard car to work on, but it was so absolutely reliable that we were bored to tears during service stops between stages.
  • karsickkarsick Member Posts: 312
    Here come da Judge!! :P (aka GTO ca 1970 :confuse: ) including a factory hood-mounted tach (or is that "tack")

    You guys can point out the others.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    "It looks to me like a Spanish SEAT ( I believe it's called the Ibiza, basically a rebodied VW Polo)"

    You got it, Karsick. Odd to see it in Dallas, must have been up from Mexico on holiday.
  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
    OK, in front of the Judge is a red '59 Plymouth Belvedere and a white '57 Plymouth Fury. Nice!!!
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    You got 'em all guys. The Judge is indeed a 1970. Lots of nice iron appears in D&C.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    well, the Charger script is right there on the C-pillar, is it not? (or is that officially a B-pillar when there is no C-pillar to speak of?)

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    1969 Charger. I think it might be a Charger 500. Weren't those the models that had the more aerodynamic, flush-mounted rear window and the flatter front-end with the exposed headlights? At least I think that was the series name. It was supposed to be better suited on the Nascar circuit than the conventional Chargers with the hidden headlights and recessed grille and concave rear window with the "flying buttress" C-pillars.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bummer, I knew the Ibiza right away. They sell those in Brazil.

    Veraneio, too. In fact I rode in a lot of those.

    They were big but rattled like crazy. Think of the old Jeep Grand Wagoneer - like that, only lower build quality.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    1969 Charger. I think it might be a Charger 500. Weren't those the models that had the more aerodynamic, flush-mounted rear window and the flatter front-end with the exposed headlights? At least I think that was the series name. It was supposed to be better suited on the Nascar circuit than the conventional Chargers with the hidden headlights and recessed grille and concave rear window with the "flying buttress" C-pillars.

    Exactly Andre. Here's a good illustration of the differences between the Charger 500
    and the regular Charger rooflines>

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    As for the "Superbee" style nose, IIRC that's a whole 'nother thing, I'm unsure if that option had a special name ("Daytona"?) but IIRC it could be had with/without the
    tall wing.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    I think Andre's talking about a regular front end (not the Superbee), but with the headlights no longer inset, for improved aero:
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    And that Charger's rear window change is kind of like what GM did with the Monte Carlo and Grand Prix and one point, isn't it?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I didn't realize the Charger 500 was so rare! I just looked it up on Wikipedia, and it looks like Dodge only built 503 of them in 1969. The '68 style Charger looked tough and menacing, but I think it also ended up looking more aerodynamic than it really was. The flush grille and rear window helped somewhat, but not enough to better the Ford Torino Talledega, which I think was the car to beat back then. So Mopar went back to the drawing board and came up with the Charger Daytona, with the big wing and nose.

    With the wing and the nose, the drag coefficient on them was obscenely low for the time... 0.35. That's still pretty good by today's standards! I have no idea what the coefficient would be for the typical late 60's car, but I know by the late 70's, even after paying attention to wind tunnel testing, a lot of cars were still around the 0.55 range. I think the first GM car to break the 0.40 barrier was the 1982 Firebird.

    There was a Charger 500 for 1970, but by that time it was just a trim level, and didn't have the flush front-end or rear window. And for 1970, the Daytona was replaced by the Plymouth Superbird, which had a much lower base price, IIRC.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Here's the Pontiac version:
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    And that Charger's rear window change is kind of like what GM did with the Monte Carlo and Grand Prix and one point, isn't it?

    Yes, it's the same idea GM used for their Aerocoupes in the Mid-80s>

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    Ford did way back in the 1963-4 when it offered fastbacks on the Galaxie 500XL and Marauder>

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Alfa Romeo Giulietta - this is one of the first series, 1955/59
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    With the wing and the nose, the drag coefficient on them was obscenely low for the time... 0.35. That's still pretty good by today's standards!

    Not really. It would be good for a truck, but any car worth its salt should be down into the 0.2x range these days.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Oops, looks like I was off a bit. I found this link at Wikipedia that lists drag coefficients of various cars, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficients , and it has the '69 Daytona at 0.29!

    It's kind of an interesting read. Some cars that look aerodynamic really aren't, yet some that don't, actually are! I'm surprised that a Viper, for example, is 0.45. Yet a Scion xB, in all its boxy glory, comes in at 0.32.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You also have to account for frontal area, though. So a lower, smaller car will have a lot less frontal area and could have less drag overall despite having a higher coefficient of drag.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Alfa Romeo Giulietta - this is one of the first series, 1955/59

    Yep, interestingly the website I took it from mislabels it as the Giulia of the following decade. The Giulia Berlinas had a much different nose.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Need help w #16050, try this>

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    Jag VII / VIII / IX - I think in view of the two-tone paint and the chrome line on the wheel spat in no. 16051, it is not a VII, so VIII/IX .
  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    I think the first GM car to break the 0.40 barrier was the 1982 Firebird.

    The 1982 Firebird, in its most aerodynamic form, was very close to breaking the 0.30 barrier. Even with the advances of the past quarter century, very few new vehicles are more aerodynamic than that.
  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    ...any car worth its salt should be down into the 0.2x range these days.

    And yet very few are.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Magnette, the Jag is a Mark IX.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

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