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Try this one...
Large Sedan under $30,000
Hopefully the base G8 won't cross the $30K line.
is that a wierd shift pattern?
World market share:
1 General Motors
2 Toyota Motor Corp.
3 Ford Motor Co.
4 Volkswagen AG
5 DaimlerChrysler AG
6 Hyundai-Kia Group
7 Nissan Motor Co.
8 PSA/Peugeot-Citroen SA
9 Honda Motor Co.
10 Renault SA
In Europe it's not in the top 10. It has done a wonderful job of providing what the NA public wants though so in this prestigeous market it appears that Honda is a leader in the world.
Also, if the Fusion was selling more than the Accord/Camry, you would have been gloating the success. "
Actually, no I would not gloat about sales of 500,000 Fusions.. I feel Ford is making the right move in the right direction by limiting its production of Fusions/Milan/MKZ. The Hermi plant last I read was only capable of producing 300,000 vehicles. Keep production numbers low, quality high. Its going to be painful for about 3 more years for Ford but in the end consumers will notice.
Please link me to where you read this??? :confuse:
Wrong again.. the Fusion outsold the Mustang in January by over 1,500 units.
:surprise:
I read it first on The Hollywood Extra, a blog site devoted to new car news.
This makes no sense and once again spreads misinformation and rumors. People wonder why I defend Ford.
1. There are no Vulcan 3.0 in Fusions.
2. This is way, way below wholesale.
3. Must have been a Taurus..
Nice try..
:sick: Excuses...
No, it's pretty standard to have reverse right & up on a six speed tranny, especially GM. Audi does it left & up (next to 1st). Not sure if anybody has reverse down on a six speed.
Great to see such a large, powerful car being shown with a stick. Hope it makes it to market with it. Not holding my breath though.
-Loren
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Here are two links, but yes, it's pretty widespread news:
http://www.autoobserver.com/
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=119496
Check out Hertzcarsales.com and see their fixed priced listings. Other car dealers may list higher prices, but you deal with typical back and forth haggling to get a similar final price. It's better to buy from the car rental place rather than a regular car dealer that sells cars that were prior rentals because the rental places keep the best ones and send the marginal ones out to auction to other dealers.
You will need to factor in a few other costs to the list price. If the car has near 30K miles, in a short period of time, you will need to spend $400 or more for the 30,000 mile service and within a year, you may need to buy a new set of tires and maybe new brake pads. For another $1400 or so, you can probably get the Ford PremiumCare 100,000 mile $0 deductible warranty at a dealer or a similar plan directly through Hertz.
Yes, a 1 year old Taurus is great car for a college kid. Insurance rates might be about as low as you are going to get too. They may be unimpressed with it and prefer something more exciting though.
I saw a bunch of them a couple examples:
$11,994 with 20,424 miles.
$11,988 with 13,347 miles
Yep, you can count me in that group! Sorry about that, I was talking off the top-o-my-hat based on impressions I received from an article I read on some of Nissan's current financial challenges. I'll be more careful next time.
Scape, I am pasting your post # 11649, where you are talking about the success of the Fusion with respect to teh Mustang. Clearly, YES, you would gloat if the Fusion sold 500k units, or more than an Accord or a Camry, in fact in that post, you are gloating over the Fusions sales over a Mustang!!!!
Post 11649: "Wrong again.. the Fusion outsold the Mustang in January by over 1,500 units"
still under factory warranty as well, and exactly what this car was purchased for. And agree, at $11k a helluva deal and a good example of what happens to resale values when a mfgr. keeps a plant open specifically to feed Hertz etc. Think that something similar will happen with the Sonata as these cars 'mature' and then end up on the used market.
Give me a break, the only reason why Ford limiting its production of Fusion/Milan/MKZ is because THAT'S ALL THEY CAN SELL. To produce more than that will only mean one thing and that's FLEET SALE.
Anyone whom thinks Ford wouldn't produce 500,000 Fusions if the market demand is there needs to get his head out of his you-know-what.
BTW, it should be interesting to see how many Mustangs went to the rental fleet. Seems to me Hertz has plenty of those and I will be driving one during my Las Vegas trip in April. It'll be the first time I have ever driven a Mustang and I plan on take it to LA and back.
Actually, I don't think that Ford could finance that kind of production even if they had the market for them regardless of the geographical location of my head. :P They borrow $23 billion for other purposes.
But the "Taurus X" OTOH sounds totally dumb.
And unlike the Fusion, the Five Hundred/Taurus will be built in the USA.
There are things that go wrong in a Taurus when it starts going up in miles though. Regardless of mileage, rental cars get flogged so its always another risk buying one. But insurance will be cheap, and it certainly has enough even go with a Vulcan to be safe for cruising on highways.
For a college kid - the Taurus is certainly a safer/better alternative than a Caliber/Cobalt/Focus. But they'll probably balk at the looks.
don't know that Nissan deals with them much either, sure have never seen too many in the lots but, in any case, you are absolutely right - they can't all be Sebrings and G6s. And I can't imagine any of the 'Japan 3' doing much of this when they are already selling all they can produce - at a profit - wouldn't make any sense. Even Hyundai is cutting back despite a 'sponsored' effort to get as many Sonatas on the street as possible.
It's almost a freebie. The Corolla now in it's 6th year is a prime example.
That is true assuming you don't have to start throwing huge bundles of cash on the hood to sell them. And of course you run the risk of much lower resale values which has a ripple effect back to new car sales.
lol, those were the days
I must be getting old. Things like the difference between 16" and 17" tire cost I am calculating and wondering about their worth. Largest tire I ever owned is the 15" ones on my PT. Guess I have to go along with the pros saying the 17" tires now are the performance way to go and in the case of the SE V6 Honda, they also add in stability control and some sort of electronic brake force whiz-bang thing.
Now the 166HP of the i4 is more than my older cars had with a V6. When I think of 244HP out of a V6, I am thinking something as fast as some V8 engines, not all that long ago. I can see how Mustang had to boost the HP in 1999 then again in 2005 up to 300HP. It would be embarrassing to be smoked off the street light by a soccer mom trying to get to school to pick up the kids :P I mean to say 7 second 0-60 with an automatic tranny, ain't exactly slow. I understand the i4 is a 0-60 in 8.6 seconds with an automatic. Yeah, I am thinking an automatic, as I am tired of shifting in this stop and go traffic, and with FWD, it just ain't as good a feeling with the stick as with RWD, so yeap, gonna go slushbox - which have also improved since the good ol' days. Come to think of it, my old '65 289 Mustang probably would lose a race with an i4 Accord today???
-Loren