TOYOTA TACOMA vs FORD RANGER- Part XI

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  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Since no Toyota fans are going to even respond to you, I will. There is a TSB about this problem on Tacoma's. I spoke with a Master Toyota mechanic on a plane flight months back. He told me this is just one of the common problems with Tacoma's. Have your dealer look it up.. Good luck...
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    SPOOG SPOOG SPOOG! for posting the same crap, which really doesn't pertain to anything new or interesting! Way to go, I bet you are proud...

    Seriously, Recalls are good, and mean that the company actually is concerned about something. You neglect to mention the NUMBER OF VEHICLES AFFECTED.
    TSB's? Technical service bullitens are used to communicate things to dealers who will be servicing these vehicles. Here's one example:

    Service Bulletin Number: 14529
    Bulletin Sequence Number: 168
    Date of Bulletin: 0012
    NHTSA Item Number: SB616838
    Make: FORD TRUCK
    Model: RANGER
    Year: 2001
    Component: EQUIPMENT
    Summary: SUBJECT REGARDING ASH CUP NOW AVAILABLE FOR SEPARATE ORDER.

    IE. "An ashtray is now available."

    Investigations? Like that family in Texas that tried to sue ford for their explorer rolling over? They forgot to mention that they were weaving in and out of traffic at 90 mph, but when they got off the highway, and hit a hilly section, it was Ford's fault. Hence an investigation.

    So the recalls could be a small booboo, doesn't mean the truck sucks. Just that a problem was found. My friend's 92 Cutlass had a recall for a bracket in the rear seat belts. We've been using them for years, and no problems, but it was just precautionary... You get the idea ,( i hope)

    PS, Any pictures of the truck yet?
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    The same can be said for it's modular design, in the likes of the 4.6l v8. These designs produce great torque, and down low in the Tach(which comes standard, btw) And that's what you will feel if you are hauling any weight, or merging onto a highway. Noisy? Wait until you hear a cat back system with 2 or 3 chamber mufflers on the 4.0l...That and a K&N filter & box, you'll get a great view of the redesigned taillights.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I wish you would quit posting on subjects that you have no knowledge of. The engine with all the problems in the Explorer IS the SOHC 4.0 and not an older 4.0. I'll make this easy on you without any big words to confuse you. Here is a line from the Edmund's review of the Ranger : "Most notable for the '01 Ranger is the availability of the Explorer's 205-horsepower, 4.0-liter SOHC V6". It's the same SOHC 4.0 that has been used in the Explorer for several years now. Ford has made some modifications on the tensioners but it's still the same engine! No one knows if the modifications will fix the problems. This engine is admittedly pretty strong with more power than the Toyota 3.4, however, it has a HIGH instance of premature failures as well as an extremely noisy idle. It has not been a good engine in the past and all of the complaints in the Explorer forum are directed to this engine now being placed into the Ranger. If I were to buy an Explorer now I would go for the V8 as it has more torque and HP than the 4.0, it has a clean history of reliability, and it gets pretty much the same gas mileage. If I were to buy another Ranger, I would not choose the 4.0 V6 at this point. Better to wait a few years to see if Ford has fixed the problem. Ford offers some reliable engines but this has not been one of them thus far. As always vince, read some facts next time before you create a post. It's embarrassing to see you repeatedly posting erroneous info.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I'll admit that the SOHC 4.0 feels like a V8 in the Explorer and will probably feel even stronger in the Ranger. With a few mods it could really be something to contend with. I would just hate to see anyone here spend the money on an engine that is problem prone and/or craps out at 60k or less as has often been the case in the Explorer. If Ford works the bugs out, however, it will be an awesome engine.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    How come you don't post JD Powers best rated compact pickup choice of the year,or the tsb info from alldata.com
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    This engine has been nothing but awesome in my '97 explorer. it's not noisy at all.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    What you quote is the initial quality survey conducted by PHONE calls.


    What I am posting now is JD powers long term 5 year RELIABILITY study.


    Notice that Ford is nowhere near the leaders. Not a surprise.


    Again folks, this is a 5 year long reliability test. Ford finishes below the average. Enjoy.


    http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=292&CatID=1

  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    The one I drive occasionally for business is getting pretty noisy now a lot of the time. I'd like to think that the problem is no big deal but For didn't extend the warranty on the tensioners and intake gasket for nothing. There simply are too many people having trouble with this engine. I imagine that some engines may not ever see the problem but lets face the fact that a high percentage apparently do. Hopefully Ford has found a fix as I'm impressed with the power it produces.
    Yeh Spoog should acknowledge that the Ranger did well in the new JD Powers survey.
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    Spoogiebaby--->The last graph shows problems by nameplate only. This covers everything from Fiesta's to Excursions. Ford also was above average, contrary to what you say. Only Mercury and Buick beat Ford in the domestics, which is wierd, since Mercury is the more economy oriented segment of the Ford umbrella.

    http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/pressrelease.asp?ID=2071

    This one works, and ranks Ford Ranger as best pickup of initail quality, above all over compact trucks(and toyota is only mentioned in the car segement), albeit in Thailand. So what gives? I can play your statistical and propaganda games all day, but it still doesn't beat the value you receive in a Ranger. I like both trucks, just like Ford better. Test drive both, and see what hits your nerve and pocketbook the least.

    Spoog quotes from fourwheeler "Ford's 4.0-liter overhead-valve V-6 gave our Regular Cab Ranger plenty of off-the-line motivation with 168 lb.-ft. of rear-wheel torque at 2500 rpm"

    It's 238lb/ft at 3000rpm. Must be looking at the previous 4.0l. Hence the outdated model. No wonder, Ford redesigned the Ranger for a reason, because the compact truck segment is very competitive. That was then, this is NOW. The list of standard equipement just keeps on growing. I'll only consent that fourwheeler is right, out of the factory box, Ranger isn't the best offroad truck.

    PS, any pictures of the "supercharged" truck yet?
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    yeah I hear ya. I just wanted to point out that not every engine is having those problems. I have about 50k miles on my rig right now, so maybe I've just been lucky so far. -we'll have to wait and see!
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Member Posts: 301
    Thats right folks my 01 TRD Tacoma with the supercharger rocks!...ive gone up against 2 5.0 stangs now (25 to 30 mph starting point)and both of them had no luck getting by me...it was dead even both times!oh by the way these cars are owned by friends of mine so there is no excuses.
    I love this truck it rules!i can go to home depot and also fool around with stangs all in one package..... :)
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I hope that you never see the problem. If you have 50K with no idle noise than maybe you're home free. The Explorer I drive is a 98 with about 40K. The loud idle started intermittently at about 20K but has increased in frequency now to a regular occurance. We're going to try Ford's fix soon and I'll let you know how it works out in case you ever experience the problem. I wouldn't be too worried about the noise if I hadn't read all of the engine failure posts. They seem to start with the noise and then suddenly die. Hopefully the problem is over exaggerated.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Please post a link to where you say all SOHC 4.0 or the majority are having this problem?? I know 6 people with this engine and when I asked about tensioners and intake gaskets ALL 6, never received a notice or anything from Ford pertaining to this problem. When asked if the engine was noise.. ALL Said NO. I feel you are mistaking the old pushrod 4.0 for the SOHC 4.0 Please link me to the TSB or recall for these problems on the SOHC 4.0.
    2K1trd, yeah right.. They must be older 5.0 stangs. Your rearend could not stay straight on the one wheel that turns in your open axle TRD when you accelerate quickly off the line. Let me explain this.. only one wheel is turning, you also have a light rearend. Your truck is not made to race...
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Visit www.msn.com in the auto section. Find the reliability ratings and the only mention of this manifold gasket problem was back in 1994@!! BEFORE the SOHC 4.0 was even around! The SOHC 4.0 has proven to be VERY reliable. Look through the 96 - 99 years and the engine has proved itself just fine. Now quit spreading garbage you know nothing about..
  • smc13smc13 Member Posts: 52
    sasquatch,

    You are right. Since I live in Baltimore I don't really need 4 wheel drive. I agree I am not being practical.

    My thinking is that I might find it useful in the future. I kept my last car for 6 years and who knows where I will be in 6 years? I am thinking of moving some place (maybe colorado) and it might come in handy in the future.

    Maybe I won't get much use out of the 4 wheel drive system but then again, maybe it will come in handy. I know I can afford it so why not?

    Steve Cohen
  • smc13smc13 Member Posts: 52
    When I bought my tacoma I had the dealer put on a soft tonneau cover on so it would keep things in the bed dry and improve the fuel economy of my truck. While the cover is doing exactly what I thought it would I was thinking of maybe getting a camper shell in the future just so I can carry larger objects in the bed of my truck ( I put a 19" monitor in the bed of my truck and was unable to snap on all the buttons in the back of my cover - I wonder what would have happpened if I tried carrying something larger).

    Before I make any decision as to whether or not I buy a shell I had a few questions. Would a shell raise the center of gravity? Would it make a truck more likely to tip over (how likely)? How heavy are they and by how much would a shell reduce payload capacity?

    Steve Cohen
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I'm afraid that even if a Ford vehicle's engine fell out on the freeway you wouldn't believe that there was anything wrong. If you're correct then I can at least conclude that Ford, as a company, is run by idiots because they extended the warranty on the tensioners and the intake gasket an extra three years for a problem that doesn't exist. If you're correct, I would have to also conclude that hundreds of people in Edmund's "Perpetual Ford Explorer Woes" alone are lying (Not to mention the many other Ford Explorer forums with people reporting the problems with this engine).
    The grim reality, which is obvious to anyone with any common sense (I guess that would not include you), is that Ford is not run by idiots but rather acknowledge that there is a problem and is trying to resolve it. You don't have to believe it vince. It's common knowledge in this forum that you're typically wrong about everything else so we'll just add this to the list.
    PS: Brush up on your English comprehension skills too vince because I never said that all of these engines have problems. There appears to be more than most would be comfortable with though. Plus, I guess Ford also employs psychics and only sent notices to people like myself that are having problems. I wonder if they have that Jamaican lady on the Info-commercial? I’m afraid that your 6 friends statement has one of three problems. Either:
    1)You don’t have six friends
    2)You don’t have six friends that own an Explorer
    or
    3) All six of you friends are lying to you about receiving their extended warranty notice on the tensioners and intake gasket.
    Quit making things up to try to prove an incorrect point vince!!!
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Dang, I was gone for four days and I take a peak and I HAVE to comment on your posts.

    The 4.0 OHC is NOT part of the modular family. the modular family includes the 4.6, 5.4 and 6.8 V10. The 4.0 OHC still has its roots in the ORIGINAL 4.0. The modular motors have many interchangeable parts. There are no interchangeable parts from the 4.0 to the 4.6-5.4-6.8.

    Mercury is UPSCALE from Ford not the economy version. Mercury may be considered the economy level of Lincoln( remember Lincoln/Mercury???)

    Sorry I had to bust your ba!!s but you were starting to sound like a Toyota owner spouting false info!!!! LOL!!
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    The Ford program number on the 4.0 SOHC tensioner/gasket problem is #00M12

    The notices were sent to all 1997-2000 Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer owners with the 4.0 SOHC engine in January 2001.

    Read the Edmunds Explorer forums which have lots of details on this Ford program. You can also read about it on the "Ford Truck Enthusiast" page at this address: http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/explorer/239.html
    There's even a scanned copy of the notice on that page.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    You know vince, Sometimes I let myself get pretty mean spirited out of frustration. Even though I can't think of anyone that deserves to be treated poorly more than you at the moment, I shouldn't verbally abuse you this way. You may be a nice guy behind all of your made up and/or incorrect information. I'll try not to be as abusive towards you in the future as even you don't deserve to be treated that way. I provided you of the proof of the Ford campaign, along with a link showing a scanned copy of the notice, so it's up to you whether to acknowledge those facts and consequently, stop posting otherwise.
  • ebbgreatdaneebbgreatdane Member Posts: 278
    modvptnl -
    No kidding...I get my new truck, lose track of Edmunds for a couple of days and the world tanks on you.

    Vince -
    Sorry dude but get a life. If you haven't been checking out the Ford Ranger problems post, you should be. Also, please don't blast the Toyota owners for not answering questions related to problems to their Tacomas. Not all truck owners are mechanically inclined. Sheez - if you can give the guy some help, do it but check your ego at the door.

    Gringo -
    Not sure if you are still checking here for answers on your question but my advice would be localize where the clicking is coming from (i.e., you may need to get on your back and check out the clutch action under the dash). Check the springs that create tension on the pedal. Chances are they are creaking and/or clicking. If investigations are not working out, try posting you message in one of two places: 1. The Toyota Tacoma Problems post on Edmunds or 2. The Manual transmission post in the Maintenance discussions. If these are transmission noises, I would seek dealer help...it could be with a 92, you need to have your clutch pedal adjusted a little.

    smc13 -
    Excellent questions. I am tossing up the same questions myself. You may want to take a look at the Truck Shell posts (maybe called truck caps) in the Pickup Section of Townhall. Your answers are there but a shell will only slightly increase your center of gravity. Most shells weigh less than 200lbs or 3-5% of the total vehicle weight so I'd doubt you'd notice. Some suggestions would be when you find a product that suits your needs, make sure they install the sealer gasket on the shell and not on the rails and also make sure that the light inside the shell works with or without the parking lights. They cost anywhere from $800 to $1500 but I would definately look at A.R.E shells. As far as payload reduction...well you're sticking a roof on your bed. Your payload will be about 150lbs less which isn't much but you'll have to cram it in. :-)

    Also consider the fact that you will want to remove your shell from time to time as well. The Pickup Cap post also lists some good ideas for doing this as well. My favorite was after un-clamping your shell (they use clamps now vs. bolting them on) you slide two 2X6's across the under side of your your shell between the shell and the bed rails (one in front, one in back). The 2X6's should be wider than the shell with eye hooks in each end. You back into your garage, fasten the eyehooks to a simple hoist in the top of your garage using nylon rope and lift it off. This makes the 2 man/half hour job a 10 minute 1 man job. You store the shell in the top of your garage until needed and you just lower it back down when you want it back on.
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    modvptnl--->I know that the 4.0l isn't in the same modular family as the 4.6, 5.4, etc. I didn't maen to state that in the least. The previous 4.0l used the pushrod design(as in the ever popular 5.0l, 302 v8). Now with the SOHC there are less moving parts(lower internal friction), large free flowing valves, and the heads are very identical to the design found in the v-8's, especially seen in low end torque. It's almost like just hacking off two cylinders, if the bore and stroke wasn't interchanged by .3".

    It would seem obvious to me, that you couldn't bolt a set of v-6 heads on a v-8(or 10) or vice versa(or intake or other parts, etc). What's the point of listing the small internals that could be swapped. So maybe it was my mistake in saying it had a modular design, when I should of said it was designed like the modular designs. Much more clear and perfect. . .

    I'll admit to ignorance on the mercury part, maybe they are the luxury line 2nd to lincoln. My perception is just that they are family cars, with junk I'll never want/use/own. The new mountaineer is just plain fugly. :)

    Speaking of V-8's, here is a nice website on a V-8 conversion for older Rangers. Would love to see a 429 or 460 eating up taco's for lunch... }:> But I guess the torquey(sic?) 4.0l will suffice for now.

    http://members.aol.com/MREPRODUCT/ranger.htm

    smc13--->Not sure how hard it would be to find, but a fiberglass cap might be an option. Very light weight so no worries on becoming top heavy, but probably very expensive.

    "allknowing"--->Opinions are like [non-permissible content removed], everybody has one. There isn't much you can do to change that(the [non-permissible content removed] or the opinion). Just state what you know or think, and let it be, because nobody's soapbox is on higher ground here.

    GDane--->Ford Ranger Problems forum has been dead recently. Last post 2 weeks ago. Is there a part two I'm missing? How is the Tacoma counterpart forum doing? I went there once, but thought it would be best to keep my mouth shut! :)
  • corky7981corky7981 Member Posts: 2
    I just bought my 2001 Tacoma XtraCab V6 4WD, 5-speed w/options of color-keyed SR5, 16" tires, wheel upgrade, PW/PL/PM, bedliner, hitch, nerf bars, cruise, daytime running lights, securikey, sliding rear for $22,100. I wanted a few less options, but the dealer made me a deal that I couldn't refuse.

    The two trucks that I was looking at were the Tacoma and the Ranger. I could not locate a Ranger with the 5-speed manual/4.0 SOHC. They only offer that combination on the 4WD without the Offroad Package. I was leaning toward the Ranger because of 4 doors rather than 2 (I only wanted an XtraCab not DoubleCab.) The lack of availability and what I considered a good deal on the Tacoma steered my choice to the Tacoma.

    With 600 miles on it to date, I love my choice. The Tacoma delivers enough power with a smooth ride for a 4WD. I concur with the statements about the uncomfortable seats though.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    I sort of see what your saying but it is still a ways off. First off the "modular' motors were designed from the ground up as OHC motors. They feature a deep skirt block 4 bolt main cap design (6 bolt in the case of the Cobra) they share the same bore spacing,intake bolt spacing, accessory brackets and MANY other parts. They also all are 90 degree blocks. You could bolt any head(including the V10 head on to any block) yes, you would have 1 combustion chamber hanging off each side of the block but it would bolt up.

    The V6 is based on the old 2 bolt 60 degree block that still has provisions for an in block cam. Bore spacing, brackets, EVERYTHING is different. If you want to say they're both OHC designs I can live with that but they are as close to design as a Toy is to a Ford. LOL!!!

    Not a big Mercury fan either but keep your eye on the Maurader. Basically a Marquis(Crown Vic) with a Cobra 300+ horsepower motor. Hopefully will pick up were the LT1 Impalas left off!
  • ebbgreatdaneebbgreatdane Member Posts: 278
    Midnight -
    Actually both the Ranger and Tacoma posts are dead for the most part. I think that if it wasn't for you and me, they would both fade away.

    The Rangers seem to have only minor problems with the interior and/or body and some lightweight issues with the engine (rough idle, hard starting, etc.) The Tacomas continue with their one issue with the 4X4 V6 drive shaft on trucks with the Automatic transmission (apparently Toy is aware of this and via the TSB either replaces a tensioner plate on the torque converter or a cuplink between the drive shaft and the rear differential). It appears, however, this is isolated to trucks made late in 2000 and early in 2001 (like January 2001).

    corky -
    We just got our Toy Taco last Thursday. It's way cool (I agree about the seats but I am getting used to it - it's still a huge step up from my '85).

    Ours was 22,375. We didn't get the Nerf bars, hitch or bedliner but we did get the T'u'RD package with 16" Alums with the SR5 Chrome and ABS. The bedliner I am getting aftermarket as well as a hitch.

    Modvptnl -
    Me thinks that if Mercury doesn't do something drastic as you suggest with the integration of the Cobra motor, their future will be that of the Pontiac Aztec. Very very sad.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I know this is off topic a bit, but I've been reading this topic and a few others for well over a year and most of you know I go through trucks like you all probably go through woman, well its time for a new one...the two choices that I've been reading alot about is the 2001 Lightning or the 2001 Durango R/T. I did own a 99 L and really miss the performance of that truck but the R/T has 4whl drive and probably a little more practicle. Any input would be nice wether its good or bad.
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Member Posts: 301
    Get the ligtning!..those things fly!..stay away from the dodge thing,nothing but problems and they still have the dreaded pinging problem but i suppose if i were to get a durango,i would get it with the 4.7 engine.Oh ive drove a 01 R/T durango and was not impressed.(and it pinged like a ...)
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    I would go for the lightning just for the smoke shows but I need 4wd so the durango is more practical for me too.
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    modguy->What are we arguing about? I just wanted to say that some of the ingenuity in the design of the "modular" engines found it's way into the 4.0l v6(read SOHC design). Mains have little to do with that, just extra bottom end strength. Heads and valvetrain are the biggest areas of power improvement. Or simply put they all put out great torque, down low, with fantastic volumetric efficiency. OK?

    barlitz->Gotta love the available 5.9l in the durango. The lightning is the fastest production truck available, but granted payload and offroad handicapped. You can add a roots style supercharger to any v8 for under 3 grand, and that would outdo the lightning's price, but lack of suspension and 18"(?) of rubber. It is only a large 2-valver. Since youre going throught lightnings like water, why not go custom and probably spend a lot less for exactly what you want. Just gotta find a good shop unless you got the tools. Maybe you should consider a supercharged kenny brown explorer? Just planting ideas...

    http://www.kennybrown.com/explorer.html

    GDane->Yup, this is how I spend my work mornings while everything else is querying or busy. It's at least one 20 minute diversion during the work hours. I guess that's one purpose served, and maybe any non registered viewers gain an insight or two at the same time...

    Talk to ya'll later.
  • smc13smc13 Member Posts: 52
    ebbgreatdane - You said their is a TSB on the tacoma 4x4 v6 with an auto transmission. What TSB? I am looking at the nhtsa web site and the only tsb they list for the 2001 tacos is for a problem with trailer wire harnesses on the double cab model.

    Steve Cohen
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I know when to admit when I am wrong. I was wrong.
    I don't know why all 6 people would "lie" to me.. I want to believe they honestly didn't know about this recall.
    As far as the comment on how many friends I have..
    This was not needed. I am active in all the sports programs at the YMCA with my 2 daughters, active in church, on the board for my neighborhood association.. I have plenty of friends along with knowing many Explorer owners.
    You however, constantly bash and trash the Ranger or anything to do with Ford. I have burst your "Toyota is god" bubble and you don't like it. You follow me from room to room and constantly make negative comments on my posts. This is typical of you to come out as MR nice guy one minute and the next post trash me or other Ranger owners.. Nice try, I don't buy it..
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    OK vince, find some of my posts that I "constantly bash and trash the Ranger or anything to do with Ford" as you put it. You won't find posts from me like that as I own a Ford too and purposely don't do that, nor do I think that Ford deserves to be trashed. It is my opinion that Toyota has a quality advantage but that hardly amounts to "trashing" the Ranger. In fact I typically say that the Ranger is a great truck. I challenge your statements because, as with your statement discussed above, you typically misrepresent the truth. If you make up most of your information and accuse people of saying things that they don't, as the above, you have to expect to be challenged and ridiculed. That can easily be solved by simply telling the truth once in a while my friend. In addition, I hardly follow you around nor would I want to. I happen to own both a Ford and a Toyota and frequent both Ford and Toyota forums. Those forums weren't made exclusively for you. Sometimes I can't help commenting on a completely false post, as your posts often are, as someone that doesn't know you might actually believe something that you write. As I said, try researching the topic of your post or simply give an opinion without lying about me or others. You'll gain some respect as well as actually contribute to the discussion. I don't enjoy making you look bad but I don't enjoyed being lied about either.
  • issisteelmanissisteelman Member Posts: 124
    I finally really put my new Tacoma to the test this past weekend up at camp. I have a 2.7L in line 4 cyl. with 5 speed manual transmission (xtracab, SR5 package). I was very pleased with the performance in many different situations. Firstly, the camp is 14 miles in the woods on a very rough logging road. My Tacoma held the road very well although I noticed that the lightness of the rear end made it difficult to go to fast because the rear end would tend to slide out around bumpy corners. I think putting some weighted material in the bed of the truck would solve this problem.

    Later in the weekend I decided to do some adventuring and took the truck off the logging roads and on to some very narrow (and muddy) 4-wheeler trails. It was great. I put it in 4-low and she just crawled along beautifully through the mud, over rocks and over downed branches and small trees. I cannot believe how great she handled.

    Finally, I used my Tacoma to get wood for camp. We found a nice logging yard with some really big left over maple tree ends(4 and 5 foot lengths). I filled up the truck with a couple of pretty good size loads and was very impressed with how much the truck could handle. I will say however that the bed (and the wheel wells) of the pick-up did seem to easily dent with heavier loads. Thankfully I have a Rhino-Liner so that really shouldn't hurt the truck.

    As far as I'm concerned, my choice of a Tacoma over a Ranger was well worth it. Hopefully she'll keep running this well for the long haul. As always, I'll see you in the back country........Steelman.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Trucks are so expensive,Lightning close to 33000,on carsdirect.com you can order a R/T and can be had for 31000. If I only kept the 99 L only owed 18000 when I got rid of it. On MSN they have an article on the 21 best vehicles for 2001 according to JD Power's and the best compact pickup was the GMC Sonoma,maybe I'll just keep my ZR2 it is a nice truck. I don't know but I will keep posting,
  • ebbgreatdaneebbgreatdane Member Posts: 278
    My bad...foot in mouth. However, for lack of a better way to say it, the Auto 4X4/PreRunner drive shaft problem is experienced by many folks (i.e., it's a known problem). Some have had it fixed while others have just gotten frustrated.

    The symptoms include no mechanical error or breakdown, just a thud or clunk as the engine engages the torque converter transferring power to the drive shaft to the rear wheels.

    Ford Lightning. Even Tacoma owners know that one. :)

    John
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    I know what you mean about going through vehicles. I'm looking to get a new truck and I'm undecided myself. I was sold on an F150 for quite a while, but now I'm really thinking about getting a 2001 dodge ram. -especially because I don't like the new 2002 rams that are coming out if a few months.
    If I was you I'd go for the durango. The lightning is definitely cool, but it seems to me if you want that kind of performance, why not just buy a sports car.
  • smc13smc13 Member Posts: 52
    I understand now. You are talking about the problem that is being discussed in the tacoma problems list, right? The one that has been happening when they hit the brakes? I have a 4x4 auto but no thud or clunking sound so far.

    Steve Cohen
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    First, in all honesty, majority of Colorado high mtn passes were closed as of day before yesterday...

    Proceeded out of Denver to Webster Pass Trail. Blocked by snow 4 ft deep, got to within 1/2 mile of the top, up to maybe 12,000 ft. Went down to do Breakneck Pass and Browns Trail Pass. They are lower, 10,910 and 11,372. They were fairly easy. We were on a time constraint so no pics there. Think I got some up Webster.
    On to St. Elmo, think it is about 10-11,000 ft or so. Tin Cup and Hancock Passes were both blocked with snow. There is a VERY interesting trail that goes up the face of the mountain leading into St. Elmo, Mt Harvard I think? Was told there is no turnarounds the entire trip...
    Headed to Center Colo and went to the Natural Bridge and headed through the English Valley 4X4 area, ran into some Antelope. Would be real nice in muddy times.
    On to Wheeler Geological area. Well, true to what the book said, it was real muddy. Got stopped 10 miles away when the ruts were 15 inches deep and I would have had to go on to the tundra. And I would not do that.
    On to Cinimmon Pass, elevation 12,620. Stunning scenic views, will get the pics in a week. Ran into a snow storm at maybe the 12,000 ft level while tuning on the last mile. Had to go thru plowed snow. Almost blinding snow at the top, no pics.
    Did not do Ophir as my wife was real pissed by now. . .hope I do not end up in divorce court. But heard that pass too was closed. Went to Teluride and saw what I think is Black Bear pass...no thanks, you Toyota boys can have that puppy. . .
    Anyway issisteel, that trump your day?
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=292&CatID=1


    To quote from your post:

    "Based on 32,000 owners of 1994 model-year vehicles, the VDI study is used by automotive manufacturers as a benchmark of how vehicles perform beyond typical warranty periods."


    You see spoog, you screwed up again. This data is for the 1994 model, a bit before the Tacoma.

    Why did you even post it if it does not apply to the vehicles in this board?

  • ebbgreatdaneebbgreatdane Member Posts: 278
    Not to be a jerk but Toyota has had a compact pickup around for 25 years. As far as I'm concerned, they redesigned the model in 1995 and made their compact truck slightly bigger, gave it a new V6 powerplant, introduced more interior ergonomics and topped it off by giving it a name.

    Just because the name Tacoma hasn't been around since 1994 doesn't mean that the Toyota compact equivalent of a Ranger hasn't been around. ;-)

    John
  • rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    Spoog has been posting that SAME link to the 5-year survey for the last two years. The point cp was making is that THIS particular 5-year survey ends with the '94 truck, and has NOTHING to do with the Tacoma.

    BTW- I am still of the opinion that the pre-Tacoma trucks ('89-'94) were MUCH better overall vehicles than the Tacoma. But, I could also be accused of repeating myself.
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    cpounsr,steelman->Sounds like a fun time...

    GDane/Rickc5/cpounsr->As far as looks I'd have to agree, I like the sharper lines in the earlier models (pre tacoma I think).

    God forbid SPOOG ever gets pictures of his truck digitized(or probably just one off the dealer lot!) and posted, we'll be seeing them every week for the next year! :)
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    ebb:
    No problem, understand what your saying, but rick is correct as to what I ment. The first part of the post, where the Toyota PU was listed was up to 1994, before Tacoma. The second part as was pointed out was ALL Toyota and ALL Ford vehicles.

    True to a degree, the Tacoma is a larger old style p/u, the 3.0 was punched to a 3.4. But understand my point, ok?

    issisteel...:
    Was not whacking you in my comments, just lets put things in perspective. A Ranger that at least one person here thinks is not capable of 4 wheeling was on 10,000-almost13,000 4X4 roads in my trip. I saw NO Toyota's of any kind except on down low, a Tundra TRD, with a trailer for ATV's.
    I was running with 5 Jeeps(a Cherokee and 4 regular Jeeps out of a Lake City Jeep club, on of which blew a tire on top of Cinnamon Pass), a Chevy 1500 and a Dodge Durango.
    Did see a bunch of Toyota 4Runners and P/U's in Teluride, in town, parked, all nice and shined up and here I was in a VERY muddy Ranger, winch hitched to the back, it too covered in dust and mud.

    Just setting the stage here guy...and hoping to dispell any suggestion that Ranger cannot cut the mustard. Picture clear? Ranger was there, Tacoma was a no show. Hmmm hope the pics I took come out well. The ones in Teluride I was shooting at 1/125th and f22, so not too sure on them(gotta remember to check the shutter speed.

    Yeah, thats right, I do not have a digital camera, just a Canon AE-1 (not an AE-1 Automatic much older than that) I got in 1983. Gotta check settings and such. . .Got a Pentax Spotmatic II and a couple of Exacta's. Getting hard to find people to work on em for less than 200 bucks!
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Between US 285 and US 24.

    Blush Blush!

    Does not matter, it was closed with snow just like Webster was?
    My mistake, sorry
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    During the time I was 4 wheeling part of the time, the gas mileage was a very respectable 20.5 average.

    While doing interstate driving the gas mileage was 23.5.

    This is with a 4.0L engine, manual 5 speed, 3.73 gears and running the oversized 31X10.5X15 tires.

    Well pleased with the performance. Also, the Rancho RS 5000 shocks perform much better than the stock Ranger shocks. If you own a Ranger, you will be well satisfied upgrading to those shocks.
  • 1busman1busman Member Posts: 33
    I was looking at the new issue of fourwheeler mag earlier this evening and there was an article on the sport-trac. Fourwheeler seemed to think it was a pretty good vehicle. They made a statement in the article about using the brakes to get the limited slip to engage. I'm not aware of this procedure, can someone please explain it to me.
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    That is an old off road trick. when you lift a rear tire off the ground or it has very low traction there is not enough resistance to engage the limited slip,so in that situation you can lightly apply the parking brake until the LS engages. You can use the regular brakes also but it is a lot harder.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I was just watching the Crocodile Hunter on TV and noticed that he uses a Tacoma in Australia for the really rough areas requiring four wheel drive. Thought that was interesting.

    CP - Ex-King Rob Blake may still take the AV's all the way. Too bad you didn't have the King's goalie in Saturdays game though.
  • cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Avs played like s....! Two dumb mistakes by Roy. Ya GOTTA shoot the puck to win!
    NJ played a very good game.
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