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John
Rally point is the Morrison exit parking lot at 8AM tomorrow, 7/21/01
http://www.cosports.com/fwhldr/trails/webster.htm
Do look at all the hyperlinks for the pictures of the switch backs.
Total elevation rise, 9,120 - 12,399 in a 16 mile run. 3,279 ft rise.
I will give you this spoog, yes, it is desirable to control as much mercury as you can from getting in the environment. I just do not fall for the traps set by whacko's.
And no, I do not throw battries in the fire, however, they have gone in the trash when there was no effective way to recycle them.
Gonna be back by 2PM
heh heh
"Our list of the Meanest Vehicles for the Environment is again dominated by large sport utilities and pickups with 8-cylinder engines and 4-wheel drive. The three exceptions are exotic sports cars. In short, moving more metal (or moving it faster) means burning more fuel, which therefore causes more pollution unless extra steps are taken to control it. If large light trucks were used mainly for true heavy-duty hauling, fewer would be sold and their pollution would be less of a problem. But automakers have been marketing these vehicles for passenger use, pushing their sales into the millions and creating a rapidly growing source of global warming pollution.
Many automakers are now installing improved tailpipe controls on their minivans, pickups, and SUVs, which helps with part of the problem. However, dirtier versions of these light trucks, meeting the bare minimum of pollution control requirements, are still commonplace. Overall, automakers are still lagging in their efforts to improve the fuel economy of their pickups, SUVs, and such.
Since our Green Scores reflect both tailpipe emissions and fuel economy, the high fuel consumption alone would suffice to push down the environmental ratings of the largest light trucks. Some of the largest SUVs are so massive that they are classified as heavy duty trucks, which makes them exempt from fuel economy laws and subject to weaker tailpipe standards. Both DaimlerChrysler and General Motors are taking greater advantage of this legal flexibility, increasing the weight rating of models such as the Dodge Ram pickups and Chevrolet Suburbans so that they evade fuel economy standards. The Ford Excursion is also designed to be exempt from fuel economy standards. Recent promises by Ford and General Motors to improve the fuel economy of their light truck lines will hopefully reverse this trend that has been so detrimental to the environment.
If you usually carry multiple passengers in your SUV or minivan, however, the environmental impact per passenger is lower than if you drive alone. Similarly, pickup trucks would be environmentally friendly if regularly used to carry the loads for which they are designed. Thus, a light truck can be "green" when its capacity is put to good use. For example, while large passenger vans like the Dodge Ram Wagon, Chevy Express, or GMC Savanna end up on our Meanest list because they score low, they may not really be "mean" since they're used primarily for carrying multiple passengers."
Why are you driving a pickup spoog? Thought you were a true greenie? These guys want to run your lives, tell you what to drive, make what you drive something that goes about 20mph, something that can never go off-road and costs a mint to produce.
Bit of hipocrocy I see, spoog. . .
21 Road Mesa County, CO
Battlement Mesa/Battlement Reservoir (FR847): Mesa County,
Blanca Peak/Mt. Blanca Costilla County, CO
Die Trying
Montrose County, CO
Independence Trail Fremont County, CO
Iron Chest Chaffee County,
Black Bear Pass: San Miguel County, CO
just to name a few. . .
It's a shame your Ranger is made more for the well maintained forest roads. Thats ok though.
As you know me, pictures will follow. . .funny, did not see a Home Depot on any trail I was on.
San Juan's in Sept. Hmm, it just so happens I am planning a trip to that area with a group of Rangers to run Cinnamon, Ophir, Imogene, Engineer Passes and Wheeler Gelogical area.
Lets meet, just friendly and run the TRD against my Ranger. I can be in South Fork in 6 hours from Denver. I stay in the Comfort In just off Hwy 160, 1/4 mile away from the turnoff for CO 149.
The offer is there and the offer stands, my word is my bond.
So what ya say spoog? Tell me the weekend, Ill be there.
Lake Tahoe! LOL! Where can you offroad in that area? Its all blocked off and off limits on the CA side and is getting that way on the Nevada side. Name the trails that are open to offroad vehicles please....
The Ranger is the best compact pickup on the market today. The Ranger has the 2nd strongest engine in its class (Chevy S10 has 250ft/lbs of torque) Ranger has 240, Toy truck has 220. I wonder why Toyota fans never want to bring up HP/Torque curves, they just like to brush them aside, along with crash test ratings, open rear diffs, shallow beds, the expensive options, the price difference between a Ranger and Toyota, the Bilstein shocks and springs they paid an arm and a leg for, .. LOL... man I can go on and on...
Cascades are beautiful, Trillium lake was wonderful. This weekend we are talking about a trip up to the MT Jefferson area..
See you in the Cascades...
I'm six hours away...my president is sending me six hundred bucks so I have the money to meet and wheel...I'm doing these 6 areas as a prerun, Ophir, Imogene, Engineer, Cinnamon, Animas Fork and Wheeler Geo. area...the loop is 66 miles long...taking 6 Ranger/Bronco's...
Just feel lucky...Oh, you know the area, right?http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/4X4.html
I can still outpost 2-3 to 1 of diverse publications selecting Ranger over Tacoma.
BTW, while wheeling this weekend, I did see 2 Toyota vehicles. A Landcruiser and a RAV4. There were 4 Explorers, 2 Rangers, 2 Hummers owned by a tour company out of Summit county, 1 F150, 2 Chevy S1500's and 3 Jeeps and a whole lot of ATV's and dirt bikes.
No Tacomas
Sorry Cspounser. Just like Fourwheeler says -
" The tacoma TRD could go places the other trucks simply couldn't".
Dontcha get it yet? The Ranger is a weak 4x4.
You consider the Tacoma the best pickup truck based on the criteria of build quality. It is your perception that the Tacoma quality is far superior to that of the Ranger..
According to several publications, the Tacoma does appear to have slightly higher quality numbers than the Ranger, but not what I would call 'far superior'.. The Ranger is still a very high quality pickup as well and is rated as such in most publications (including here at Edmunds).
For hard core off-road ability in factory trim, again I think the Tacoma has an edge here (mostly because of its manual locker).
What if folks base 'best' compact pickup based on available options? You said that Edmunds rates the dakota the best compact pickup because of its v8. If we listen to Toyota, the Dakota is a full sized pickup. (Toytoa classifies the Tundra as a full size pickup and it's the same size as the Dakota).
So if power is a key factor in determining the best pickup, then this would give the advantage to Chevy or Ford.
Is the 'best' compact pickup the one that has limited access to the extended cab? The Rangers 4 doors have a definite advantage here.
What if you prefer a more comfortable ride? Again many reviews indicate that the Ranger has a more comfortable interior and ride than that of the Tacoma.
It is your opinion that the Tacoma is far superior to the Ranger and not 'most folks opinion' as you indicate..
remainedsilent--> More truck for the money, Best Selling compact truck 14 years+? What more do you need?
tk1trd--->Tacoma's can hang with Rangers, even with the new 4.0l available, huh? Are you sure about that? With the only available V6 in a regular cab, you better hope not to meet a 4.0l Ranger.
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you have to be kidding. The Ranger is certainly NOT the best compact pick-up truck. Some may argue that it is a better value, but it is certainly NOT better than a Tacoma. And many would argue (including Edmunds) that the best compact pick up is the Dodge Dakota (it has a V8!). Please, think before you write. I know you would like to believe that the Ranger is better because you purchased one, but most would agree that a Tacoma is far superior. Next time buy a Tacoma and see what a pleasure it is to own/drive a truly good quality compact pick up truck. See you in the woods................. Steelman.
If you TRULY believe everything you have posted for the last two years, here's your opportunity to PROVE it.
C'mon spoog, if you do some 4-wheeling with the chief, I'm sure he would be glad to take some photos of your Tacoma for you (since you appear to not own a camera) and even post them here, even if his Ranger "loses" to your Tacoma.
How about that chief???
Looks like the emperor may not have any clothes...... Hmmm.......
I would take and post pics of Tacomas I see, but the only ones I have seen while on a wheeling trip are:
1. one at a Texaco in Blanca...all shiney and nice.
2. A few at the foot of ATV trails with ATV trailers attached.
3. In my neighbors driveway...again, all shiney and nice.
4. On the main road in Telluride...all shiney and nice.
Why is it I see Hummers, Rangers, Explorers, F150's etc but no Tacomas?
Heck, i have 2 crunched rocker panels, a bent exhaust pipe and numerious off-road pinstripe modification areas...read into that scratches from brush. Been there and doing that!
Well the offer is there. Heck, I'd even buy spoog a beer...if he is old enough!
When I finish the rolls, next pics will be from the peaks/saddle's of the mountains between Monatzuma and Breckenridge
Top and bottom of the USA at the same time.
If your interested in knowing when/where, I will keep you advised.
We were thinking of doing it and submitting it to a 4X4 mag.
My God man, how can you use such a device that contains such a toxic substance? Why, per pound, there is more arsenic in PC's than mercury in Rangers.
ar·se·nic
Pronunciation: 'ärs-nik, -s&n-ik
1 : a trivalent and pentavalent solid poisonous element that is commonly
metallic steel-gray, crystalline, and brittle -- see ELEMENT table
2 : a poisonous trioxide As2O3 or As4O6 of arsenic used especially as an
insecticide or weed killer -- called also arsenic trioxide
I'm sure spoog's household runs on steam power and doesn't contribute to global warming. I can picture spoog pedaling the generator while running his computer à la Gilligan's Island.
Cp, I salute you!! You've thrown down the gauntlet and the toy boys are kinda quiet(except for ak whose finally seen the light regarding spoog!! LOL!!!)
I am in no way in He.. jealous of a Tacoma. I actually laugh at mostly the TRD's I see on the road. To think they paid all that money for a sticker! LOL! an OPEN rear axle! A locker that can only be engaged in 4low, I notice none of you answer my questions when I ask "What happens in the tought Toyota Tacoma TRD when you have the locker engaged and you try to take a sharp turn??" I am very confident I bought the best value 4x4 compact truck on the market today. It gets me into remote areas of the Cascade range to the deserts of Eastern Oregon for thousands less than a comparable Tacoma.
The new SOHC 4.0 puts you Toyota boys to shame. Now that the RAnger has the upper hand in both HP and Torque, not to even mention the torque curve(something Toyota boys seem to know nothing about)
sure do notice the comments of 0-60 times sure have vanished.. Hmm....
Tinoda, OHHH what a feelin....!
See you in the Cascades! Its guys like steelman, and 2k1trd I just love to run into....
Basically, I don't have a tachometer, and I'm looking for engine RPM at these given speeds:
20 MPH
45 MPH
60 MPH
70 MPH
80 MPH
If anyone would be willing to take note of their tachs when they're driving around and get back to me on these, I would be greatly appreciative. Thanks.
Nah, I would not kick your but, but I would stay up with you. . .
Yep the gauntlet is down, I am dead serious...and all is quiet on the Tacoma front. I am going to have to take a picture of my Ranger on Wheeler, then a shot of nothing and say: "Here is spoog!"
Salamander:
Well you could spend 50 bucks and get a tach from Pepboys.
You need to find a vehicle that has the same engine, same tranny gears and same differential, otherwise the readings would be different. So you need to find out that stuff first.
1- With a simple wiring mod, you can engage your locker in any gear regardless if in 4-low, 4-hi, or 2-hi.
2- On soft sand the TRD Tacoma will turn on a dime with the locker engaged.
3- On packed dirt your turning radius is increased but you can still turn.
4- On dry asphalt your turning ability is greatly reduced but you don't break the rear traction and loose control.
If you need anymore enlightenment on the capabilities of TRD Tacoma's, just ask.
Loyal TRD Fan
Cp, I know you haven't invited me, or even know me, but if you don't mind I would like to go wheelin' with you...if I can. Unfortunately I will be in FL for a while so it will all depend on when you go. I will not go to compete with your truck, I will go because I like the adventure of four wheeling. I am relatively inexperienced at it though, so I don't doubt that if we get into tricky terrain your driving skills will prevail. Do you have any mods to your vehicle or is it pretty much stock?
Also a little note on Death Valley in the winter. It snows quite a bit there and you will see a frost layer on the sand where there isn't snow (very slippery). In the Death Valley National Park the rangers close a lot of the roads in the winter. Navigating will be a pain...and there are only two gas stations in the entire park, so watch the fuel.
If you go to Death Valley the best time is early summer. I was there just a couple of weeks ago and there were some nice trails that I may have taken had I not been alone. It wasn't that hot either.
As a side note, Kuwait is the hottest country in the middle east and one of the hottest countries in the world (currently hovering around 121-125 degrees), and when I have to go bobbing across the desert out here I grab the nearest Toyota. We got hundreds of those--Landcruisers, pickups, vans, and so on. They don't break and barring any stupid act on behalf of the driver, they don't get stuck.
Anyway, we don't have any 2000 Prerunners (only 4x4's out here), so if anyone will lend a hand, I'd be grateful.
No real value in my mind of putting a perfectly good 20K truck in prepared mud and seeing if I can make it to the other side.
Now if mud is in the way of the trail, I decide if I want to go thru or turn back.
I am in colorado, would wheel with you if you came.
Sall:
Sorry misunderstood your post.
There may be different parts considering the tranny engine etc.
If you could find if you have the 4:56, 4:10 or 2:90 rear end, that would help.
For example, a Ranger 5 speed, 3:73 runs at 2,500 rpm at 60mph and a Ranger 5 sp, 4:10 runs at 2,800 rpm at 60.
So if you can get the tranny type, differential ratio and engine, that my help.
I may actually be in Col. soon. I have to travel from Calif. to Wash., then from Wash. to Fl. I have over two weeks to do the trip so I am looking for adventure. I am not sure about the route I will take. The only problem is I am doing this with my friend who owns a Z3. We would have to drop that off somewhere and he is paranoid about leaving it without 800 or so bodyguards. I will post later when my plans are more definitive.
The only reason why I posted last time was because I had read all these people whining about whose truck is better. Then spoog said you couldn't handle his off road prowess and you responded with a challenge. It was put up or shut up and all my fellow Toyota owners wussed out. The only response was a quote from Fourwheeler. So I decided to step up to the challenge, but I doubt anything will come of it.
rickc5: The emperor has clothes, only they are invisible!
Also, wheelin' in heavy sand with the locker engaged allows you to better control your vehicle through obstacles. Unlike just "flooring" it so you can get through and not sink.
Frey, sorry about your vibration problems. I'm sure you have had the drive line checked? alignment by a 4x4 shop?
rmacias, I'm sure Toyota will honor your warranty when they find you have made this mod.. LOL@! I have a friend who owns a TRD and his DOES NOT turn as easy as you portray when the locker is engaged. Lockers are for straight away traction. I'm sure you will be rebuilding your locker soon.. $$$ CHA CHING.. Look in your owners manual at all the restrictions and warnings Toyota has printed to cover their butts. The TRD package is such a marketing gimmick for 90% of owners. Most don't even know when to engage a locker in an offroad situation.
vince8evildbl!!! lOL! thats good. I do own a 1998 4x4 Ranger SC 4.0 5spd Offroad pkg, towpkg, 3.73 Limited slip diff, with a stepside bed in light blue. I have P265x75R16 All terrains, nerfs, LineX, rock guards in front, K&N air charger kit, AC, PS, PB, loaded truck and lovin it. However, the kids are getting too big now. I'm seriously considering a Jeep Liberty.....
Toyota owners hate me because I reveal all the faults with their "perfect trucks". POP! There goes the "Toyota is god" bubble!
MT Jefferson here I come!
$400 plus install. Good time to convert to synthetic fluid. . .
You would ONLY engage a locker on hard pavement if you were in a straight line. Reslut otherwise as a minimum, screwed up tires, as a maximum, torn up differentials/drive line.
robbi:
Yep sort of figured that. You and I must be alike in some ways. I see no need to try to put my stock truck against 1/4 mile of mud just to see if I can make it. And as far as rock climbing, well on my last trip I had myself rocking side to side, suspension articulated, 500 ft drop off to the left. Thats enough thank you. Don't need my truck and main vehicle on it's side to prove a point.
I had a co-worker, you may have read about him, it was in the national 4X4 and Jeep rags 6 months ago. He was up out of Breckenridge, quite frankly very close to the trail I was on last weekend, Middle Fork of the Swan, went off-trail very steep area. Flipped it and it tumbled 1,000 ft. He however departed the vehicle in mid flip about 100 ft into the ordeal. Snapped neck and other assorted things. Never, NEVER traverse a hill sideways and then try to straighten out on wet rocks.
It was a built jeep, almost 40 inch tires, special tranny/transfer case/, lockers had a 5 point restraint that he, for some reason, choose not to use that day.
What got him? Light rain on rocks and being off-road where he should not have been.
When things strike close to home, the reality is very cold and chilling. You learn.
Give me the beauty to see, the thrill of getting to it and a Ranger which gets me there.
I could care less if a TRD could engage a locker and go where I, and it, should not be. Mine gets me where I want to go.
It cost SLIGHTLY more than a Ranger, but then again it's SLIGHTLY more reliable; right Vince? (He never seems to respond to my posts)
I have never claimed the Ranger isn't a good truck, it most certainly is. Vince wants so desperately to believe that his Ranger is miles ahead in performance and quality when in fact it isn't. Anyone with any logic can see that both trucks are very close to one another. Both trucks are pretty much capable of going any place that the other can. I don't think either is miles ahead or behind the other. Just so you understand Vince, they're both good trucks. You make a great case for the Ranger, but it gets obfuscated with all of your anti-Toyota owner comments.
It's too bad you have to get rid of your Ranger Vince. I'm sure we'll all miss you, since there will be no real reason for you to come to this forum anymore. Enjoy the Jeep, I hope you get a fair resale price for your Ranger, I know I will when I get rid of my Tacoma.
Chief, I'd love to do that run but I just don't have that kind of time man. It's a lame excuse I know but hey if I am ever out in your neck of the woods I'd definitely do some trails with ya'.
Avalanche thread bashing away.
Maybe its his ATTITUDE to the dealer and
they won't go that extra inch to help him out.
Not to say my GM cars were always trouble
free either....................... Geo