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I do have direct knowledge of old toy starlets that are basically disposal because the carbs are unrebuildable and more expensive then the car. I digress, this isn't the coupe section. This is my only point: that there is no perfect mechanical appliance.
I have fibbed just a little on the '97 Cobra. The black paint started to "leather check" (after 4 years in the Vegas sun) Ford is doing a COMPLETE strip and repaint on a car that's 4years old and has 40,000 miles. I'm driving a '01 Lincoln Town Car (either that or a Focus!!) So call it lucky but Ford has treated me well.
Vince-Spoog?? C'mon, you know where I stand!!!
Discount oil places are OK, but they don't always use the exact recommended oil, or replace the crush washers(on the drain plug). Plus their filters can be iffy. Just watch them or ask first.
From sometime in the late '70s until at least the 1988 model year, Toyota saved tons of money (on import taxes) by importing trucks that were not complete (additional assembly required). The trucks were missing their beds. The beds were made here in the US, painted here, and were installed at the POE (Port of Entry). The rusting probably has nothing to do with the quality of the steel, but is likely due to a lack of rust-proofing, or maybe some other "cost-saving" step.
I didn't make this up. The owner of the Toyota dealership in Boulder, CO told me this in 1986, when I asked why the graphics decals on my new '86 SR5 were different on the bed from the cab. Even the decals on the beds were made here, not in Japan.
Go ahead Jason, laugh if you want.
Plus I think I've posted a retort to just about everyone of your quotes, that you just ignore the ways I've discounted your sensational quotes. But here it all is again.
Keep up the good work future Senator!
Hey Vince, just for the record; please tell me again which truck is more reliable? The Tacoma is SLIGHTLY more reliable than the Ranger? Or should it read: "The Tacoma is slightly MORE RELIABLE than a Ranger."?
The Ranger has more power, more this and more that and for less $$ too. But big deal. It's not like the Ranger has a far superior edge than the Tacoma in those areas either. I would say that the Ranger has a SLIGHT advantage in HP & torque, based on the numbers you've posted.
I like how you tip the scales in favor of the Ranger to suit your preferences yet neglect to recognize how close the Tacoma stacks up in other areas.
Maybe you should be a televangelist or something with that kind of enlightenment. Who knows, maybe you'll make enough money doing that to buy a new Tacoma!
I have stated facts about how limited the TRD package is to the average truck user. The extra dollars spent are not worth it. This huge quality/reliability gap Toyota owners love to paint just does not exist.. These are point that you Toyota owners just hate to hear. You paid too much for a perceived huge advantage....
I don't think the Ranger is a bad truck and I have said this all along; that the Ranger and Tacoma are very close. Vince refuses to admit this. Instead he tries to paint a different picture. One that shows how powerful and mighty the Ranger is. He makes it sound like the Ranger will do mach-3 from a green light going uphill and towing a boat, traveling 1/4 mile before a Tacoma even gets out of first gear while accelerating at top speed from the same light. This simply is just not true and anyone with even half a brain knows this.
Vince, I am left wondering if you're even old enough to have a driver's license as your childlike mentality shines through on every post you make here.
No more childish is he than spoog though, that's for sure.
"Vincespoog" ROFLMAO!!!
Having worked as an engineer in the computer storage industry for my entire career, and having witnessed the finger-pointing that goes on when a hardware defect occurs in a finished product, I have reached the following conclusions as to the reason such defects occur:
1) The specification sent to the supplier was either wrong, or incomplete. This means that the delivered component was a) built wrong (to a bad spec), or b) built using something that wasn't the intent of the contractor (not specified).
2) The contractor tries to save money by using the cheapest materials available, and incoming inspection failed to discover that the defective part was NOT built to spec.
3) The engineer who originally designed the part/component misunderstood the requirements, or failed to adequately test his/her design.
The net result is that a high percentage of defective parts/components/materials can be traced to mistakes made by the contractor, not the vendor/supplier.
Just like blaming computers rather than the operators for computing mistakes.
Interesting, eh?
Well folks I may not be getting a '01 or '02 ranger like I planned. The girlfriend is talking rings now, and boy are they going well over that 2 month salary range! I may have to settle for dropping a v-8 into my 93 ranger and save the money. Nothing wrong with my i-4 mind you, just am looking for more power and a fun, at the least expense. Guess that's another reason why I choose Ford.
Should be replaced for free, but you have to take it in to Ford. I would mention it to the Service Tech.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/46966/article.html
"The Tacoma was by far the most capable truck in this test when it came to off-highway performance. "
-Edmunds.com, 2001 crew cab test
Of course, we all knew this already, right?
"Off-road, the Tacoma is simply awesome. The tightly controlled TRD-tuned suspension dispatched every obstacle with ease, and the high ground clearance made scaling large boulders a much less threatening affair than most of the other trucks in the test."
- Edmunds.com 2001 crew cab comparison
"This engine is the best of the bunch, hands down. It offers the best compromise between fuel economy and power. "
Looks like Edmunds rates the Toyota v6 over the new ford v6
-Edmunds.com 2001 crew cab comparison
"In addition to its solid overall performance, the Tacoma also boasts Toyota's long-standing reliability record. One editor noted: "You could probably drive the hell out of this thing every day for 10 years, and it would still serve you well, asking only for gas and regular maintenance."
-Edmunds.com 2001 crew cab comparisons
"It was the general consensus that the Toyota was the most capable off-road of all the trucks. "
Edmunds.com 2001 crew cab comparisons
The following quotes taken exactly from Edmunds.com-
"There are certain areas that I think Ford could improve upon, however. Unloaded ride quality was poor; the truck was too bouncy and generally unpleasant to drive. Even more worrisome was the lackluster build quality found on our test truck. Interior trim pieces were loose and had large gaps. The driver-side window switch pod popped out easily, exposing the wires beneath. Our truck was also leaking transmission fluid during our test.
Ford has been criticized recently about declining levels of quality. Maybe it's time to bring back the old Ford tagline. You know, where "Quality Is Job 1"?"
-Edmunds.com 2001 crew cab comparison
" We voted the Expedition most likely to break"
-Edmunds.com
" The ranger rattled like a diamondback offroad"
-Edmunds.com
" the ranger center console broke off"
-edmunds.com
" If buying a used ranger, take one for a very,very long test drive"
-Edmunds.com
Anyone see a pattern here?
Defect Investigations 1989-2000
Ford Ranger - 20
Dodge Dakota- 14
Chevy S10 - 51
Toyota Tacoma - 2
Safety Recalls 1989-2000
Ford Ranger- 32
Dodge Dakota - 28
Chevyy S10 - 47
Toyota Tacoma - 6
Technical Service Bulletins 1989-2000
Ford Ranger -2,279(yes, 2,279)
Dodge Dakota- 940
Chevy S10 -448
Toyota Tacoma - 150
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So there you have it. All data is factual, and very telling. This is NOT "subjective".
A trucks reliability and build quality is NOT "subjective".
Not all trucks are built the same, as you can plainly see.
Here is the hard link:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
\\ THE AGREEMENT ends years of litigation in which a California judge said the Detroit automaker was living in an “Alice in Wonderland” dreamland for denying ignition switches were defective. The proposed settlement, announced late Sunday, comes four months after Alameda County Superior Court Judge Michael E. Ballachey ordered as many as 2 million vehicles in California recalled as part of a statewide class-action suit in which the judge found that Ford concealed the shabby parts from government inspectors.\\
Again, more concrete evidence of Ford overall lack of quality.
FIVE million vehicles will be effected. Ford has already paid out hundreds of lawsuits thanks to the wrongful deaths caused by their cost-cutting, cheap switches.
You buy garbage, garbage is what you get.
Good luck with that
Too bad the quotes are about the Explorer and this is a Ranger forum. Some simularity however, lots of differences.
" The Tacoma opened a can of whoop-a@@ on the other trucks. The Tacoma could simply go places the other trucks couldn't"
-Fourhweeler.com
Oh and check this out .....GMC most reliable? Keep dreaming. Here is the 5 year LONG TERM JD powers reiability tests which tests the vehicles for FIVE years. I mean, to find out if a vehicle is "reliable", you have to drive it for awhile, don't you?
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=292&CatID=1
Do you agree that the site you post shows that both Ford and Toyota are above average in reliability? (remember this discussion is about the Ranger vs Tacoma, not the GM product).
The other thing is he only posts on Ranger vs. Tacoma. There should be a "Ford is Evil" or "Jacques Nasser is the anticrist" forum for him to post his repetitive rants. He aparantly dislikes Ford to such a degree he scourges the internet for anything anti-ford. Rarely does he ever bring anything positive to light about the Taco, 'ma.
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=292&CatID=1
PLEASE accept this one:
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/winners.asp?StudyID=286
from J.D. Powers that lists 2 American nameplate, Dakota and F-150 (thats a Ford Right?) and no Tacoma trucks.
and THIS one:
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/winners.asp?StudyID=410
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=410
Which lists the following:
Best Compact Pickup in Initial Quality Mazda B-Series
Which is bacically a
FORD RANGER!
Soooo in this last press release, where did the Tacoma place? Behind Mazda/Ranger, GMC Sonoma, and Chevy S-10.
That is NOT a compliment.
8^)
Your too easy to wack spoog!
Ohhh tied with the Chevy S-10
http://www.jdpa.com/studies/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=517&CatID=1
8^)~
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title FIRESTONE SEP 00 Firestone Tire Recall
00B40 APR 00 Recall - Multifunction Switch Replacement
99S09 MAR 99 Recall - Speed Control Cable Replacement
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 98B34 FEB 99 Recall - Windshields Not Marked With AS1 Standard
This what your looking at at Alldata?
This is for my 99 Ranger. One applies, the multifunction switch. It has been done.
I do not have Firestones, except the spare and my cruise is not factory and my windshield has AS1 markings, big deal, white markings on the windshield that says to not put any heavy tint below a certain line.
What exactly is your question?
8^)~
So it's really just "something to be aware of", and a good source to fall back on when you have something that needs fixing.
Yes, mine is a 99 4X4. The only problem I ever had was a disengagement of 4X4 high once coupled with the 2 4X4 lights flashing 6 times, then a rest, then flashing again. What it turned out to be was either the relays or fuses in the engine compartment electrical box had, from hard off-roading I suspect, popped up a bit. I removed and re-seated them and that was 37,000 miles and maybe 15 mountain passes ago. That is why whenever someone says they have the 4X4 lights flashing, I tell them to check the relays first. I also carry a spare relay, just in case one would fail while 4 wheeling. Relays, due to making and breaking connections, can build up carbon. Have a VW horn relay that is acting that way, gotta fix that this weekend.
Things I do not like are, the short duration of the locked turn signal, the clear coat paint seems to scuff easy, not a flat surface at eye level in the interior to put a clinometer(shows pitch/roll deg.), stock shocks are too soft(put on Rancho RS500's like them) and the bumper seems to have some dark spots with the Mag. Chloride the spray on the road here in winter. Just minor dislikes.
It has been a pretty good truck so far.
Or Kentucky:
http://www.geocities.com/ummduh_1999/sparkz/driveway.html
that weekend. . .
Oh, there was no road here before the Ranger!:
http://www.geocities.com/ummduh_1999/sparkz/bobbywalters.html