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I can tell you this, if the condition exists it is easily reproduceable. I can make it happen every time and the tech saw it right away.
As an aside, I am sure GM would like to know how this happened too so they can apply this technology of powerful acceleration to the Cavalier. ;-) My sick humor. Sorry.
Incorrect. Always means that there are no variables in which it would never happen. The engine can and has over come the braking of vehicles. Especially the braking designs of todays vehicles.
The idle air controller has been the culprit of a few surges in rpm like that or the TPS signal malfunction can create problems like that.
It is one reason that alot of training and manuals state specifically that after repairs, mechanics should avoid standing directly in front of the vehicle on initial start up.
"It is one reason that alot of training and manuals state specifically that after repairs, mechanics should avoid standing directly in front of the vehicle on initial start up."
That was a killer, I mean hoot ! LOL
Merry Christmas !
Ray T.
Ray T.
2K Sierra, Short Bed, Regular Cab
After the new regulator was installed, the window seemed to open more slowly than I thought it should. When I took it back, the dealer lubricated the window tracks with silicone spray. That made a big improvement. The regulator is a very frail design so a little silicone spray could save others from the same problem & expense.
Also I have made a point to look at the lights of other GM truck when sitting at lights. I have observed the same problem with them. Everyone that I see does the same thing.
Please let me know if you all observe the same thing.
PS It was late Summer when I got the Bonneville,sorry for the late post.
5.3 ltr Ext. Cab
Passenger door will not open, electronics check good, window rolls down, door unlocks, any ideas before we see Mr. Goodwrench???.
Bob
Ray T.
You state that your 1999 Z71 OD engages at around 40mph and that your motor sounds dead.
As you know it is dead, turning around 1000rpm with the OD engaged is silly, I wish GM would wake up.
I have a 1999 Z71 Silverado 5.3, 4x4 XC. I ran across a GM TSB that fixes this. It absolutely turns the truck into a very driveable machine. The TSB had to do with "drive-line noise", but it moved the OD engagement to around 54-56mph. Its beautiful. It lets the torque convert do its thing around town. I noticed no impact on MPG.
The same issue/solution exists for 2000, 2001 (not sure for 03,04) trucks. I have a 2001 Suburban same drive-train. Unfortunately no TSB for Burbs. Its even heavier and with 40mph OD engagement at 1000rpm, its a real dog around town. I wish GM would move the OD engagement setting for Highway operation and let the converter work around town.
When I stated OD in post 848 I meant to indicate when the torque converter locks up (not when it shifts to Overdrive). The issue was that the converter locks up at 40mph and the tranny is already in OD so the engine is virtually lugging, not enough rpms to produce any power...
With the truck TSB fix the converter does not lockup until 54-56mph which is fine.
No running around in 3rd is not the same as moving the torque converter lockup to a higher mph. I do agree with you that it helps the performance, but it does hurt the mpg around town. Having said that, the way I wrote the original post it would be the same as running in 3rd. But that is not what I meant....
The truck still goes into OD just like it did before, the TSB lets the converter work around town instead of locking it out.
For those that don't know what a converter does. The converter can almost instantly change the effective gear ration when more power is generated by the engine (its a variable gear). So when the converter is locked at 40MPH the motor is only running at around 1150rpm, its not generating much HP. SO when you moderatley (not enough to force a downshift) step on the gas the motor rpm is fixed at 1150 rpm, speed increases slower. With the converter unlocked, the rpms will jump up to 1400-1600 rpm when cruising at 40mph, thus more power is generated by the engine and more acceleration or extra power to go up a hill. The truck is just more responsive with the converter unlocked under 50mph.
Try it out on your truck. Cruise at around 35-37mph, rpms will be just above 1000, step on the gas moderately you will see the RPMs go up and down almost instantly. When you let off the gas it will go to the least rpm (most efficient when no power is requested or cruising). Now go above 40 after the converter locks up, and try it again. You will see the rpms stay fixed and you get less power.
The TSB again allows the converter to work at low rpm so you get more power when you need it around town. If you are cruising with it unlocked you are still at the lower rpms so very little is wasted with regard to MPG. AS I said I did not see any changes in my average MPG.
I don't mean to agrue the point. I think most people would like this little know TSB, if not have gm back it out.
>>The transmission shifts to overdrive and then the converter locks up.<<
They both cause an rpm drop.
I had questioned the tech at the time when the tsb had been performed on my truck. He had the TechII unit hooked up which could change the shift points. However, when the unit was removed, the factory settings would be enabled thus removing whatever programming he had done to change the shift points.
-David
I'm sure if GM wanted the shift points changed the tech would be able to with his/her TechII unit.
While we're on shift points I wonder how much throttle pressure others find necessary to downshift out of O/D. I seem to have to practically bury it to the floor, at least 3/4. It wasn't like that when new.
Relevant to this, in my view a good improvement for GM engineers to consider would be to put the Tow/Haul switch on the dash, given it's limited use, and replace it with a manual downshift override. Back in the 70's I had a '55' Chev 1/2 ton with 3 speed, O/D. I removed the kick down switch from underneath the throttle and placed it within easy reach. The transformation was remarkable, much more versatile. Sorry, I'm drifting off thread.
-David
>>The transmission shifts to overdrive and then the converter locks up.<<
They both cause an rpm drop.
I just feel/listen to the transmission shifting, then verify what I am hearing by moving the shift lever from OD to 3rd. If I think it shifted to OD, then I pull it back to 3rd and see if it downshifts, if it doesn't then I am still in 3rd and it must of been the converter locking.
You can manually cause the converter to unlock by pressing slightly on the brake. Anytime the brake is pressed the converter unlocks.
With some experience, by listening and confirming what you hear and feel by moving the shifter and brake pedal you can determine what the driveline is doing without a scanner.
It is nothing short of amazing. There was soo much I am not able to remember half of the stuff.
All of the parameters were editable while in the TechII. Some of the parameters would revert to calibration upon removal of the techII and a restart.
Start and stop the a/c, shutdown individual injectors and or coils for testing. Change fuel curves, timing curves. Control torque converter lockup. You name it.
Some of the modifications we want i.e. larger tires. Require a calibration change. That is controlled by GM if we want full G.M. Support.
I read an article on jsut this recently and how it is handled by GM. I will try to located the article and post a link here.
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0403/14/c12-90918.htm
BTW, speaking of knock-off devices, I had the intermediate steering shaft on my truck greased under warranty to correct the rattle about eighteen months ago. And it's back. No longer being under warranty I bought the kit, but there's an apparently essential tool not included, a # J42640. The service manual shows it as pin-like do-dad that fits into a hole beneath the steering column to prevent the wheel from turning once the shaft is removed. You think Chevrolet would sell me one? Just the kit, not the tool. Does anyone know where these 'J' series specialty tools or the knock-offs can be had. Thanks a lot.
-David
gator, I'd like to read that article.