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- Does Nissan offer an early lease termination program, assuming I'm going to lease or buy another Nissan?
- If so, is there a time limit for the program, i.e. is it available only within something like 6 months of lease termination?
- What other details would apply in this situation (I assume the car is owned currently by NMAC and the dealer would pay off the lease and then try to sell the car? If so, what is the payoff amount - remaining payments plus residual?).
Thanks.
What are the MF and residuals for 36 or 39 month lease with 12,000 miles a year?
Thanks!
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According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2010 Nissan Altima 3.5 Coupe SR with an automatic transmission that has an MSRP of $28,630 and a selling price of 25,930 plus $3,000 in negative equity (if your allowed to roll that much into the deal) through NMAC right now for 39 months with 15,000 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment would be around $427 assuming that you qualify for its top credit tier.
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The numbers for an otherwise identical 39 month lease are .00130 and 57%.
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I leased a 2008 Altima 2.5SL in late 2007 with 15k miles/year allowed. The lease period is up in December and it appears I will be about 25k miles over my allotted miles (penalty of about $0.15/mile over, or about $3,700). In thinking of my next move, I could either:
-Buy the Altima at the residual price of $16,000.
-Buy a new Nissan...I would buy a new Sentra this time around.
-Turn the Altima in, pay the fees, and buy a decent pre-owned Sentra, maybe circa 2008, for about $12,000.
What I would hope (and this is where your opinion/experience could really help) is that by buying a new Sentra that I could get the mileage overage charges wiped clean. Based on doing car cost estimates, the type of Sentra that I would want would have an invoice price of about $17,500. I of course wouldn't have to pay any overage fees on the altima if I simply purchased the Altima at the end of the lease. Since the prices are pretty close ($16,000 to buy the Altima or about $17,500 to buy the Sentra) I would rather have the car without all the miles on it. In anyone's experience, does Nissan have pretty good willingness to wipe out these potential charges if you end up buying a new car at trade-in time?
Thoughts? Or is there another alternative you know of?
I originally got a quote for the 2.5S Coupe back on 5/22 for $349.00, 39 mon, 12,000 miles from a dealer in Queens, NY. All fees and taxes rolled into the payment, just have to make first payment $349.00 down. The MF.00167 and Residual 54% were the rates used for this quote. I did not do the deal as I need to get to 3 remaining payments. I would had to add the payments into the lease. I am now down to 3.
I got a call yesterday from the dealer to come back for their July 4th sale so I went to see what the sale is. I was now given a rate for the same exact car of $329.00 + $329.00 down (all fees and taxes rolled in) NMAC waives the last 3 payments. The car is equipped with:
Convenience Pkg
Premium Pkg
Kick Plates
Floor Mats
I believe this is a great deal and will decided today what I am going to do.
You may be a few sandwiches shy of a full picnic (lol)... just kidding!
More than likely, the salesperson is not sophisticated enough to guide you through all the calculations. This is not uncommon among dealship personnel. They rely on computers and pushing keys and that's about the extent of their knowledge. Sad, but true.
I can't confirm whether or not the dealer's payment of $290 is excessive or not. Here's why...
Three items are missing...
(1) I have no clue whether or not the $290 payment includes NY taxes as you did not provide this information. NY computes taxes on the sum of the payments and they are due and payable upfront. However, they can be capped in the lease where the fund provider pays the tax upfront on your behalf.
(2) You did not indicate the selling price of the vehicle.
(3) You didn't itemize the items being paid upfront. For instance, are you paying all or a portion of the taxes upfront? Are you paying tax on the $1,500 cash cap reduction upfront? What about the doc fee and acquistion fee? Are you paying those upfront as well?
If you have more information, let me know and I will provide accurate calculations inluding payment, taxes, etc.
John
He told me the down payment covered the taxes. According to him the selling price of the vehicle was $26,000 on the nose. I don't think I'm paying tax on a down payment...that doesn't sound right. And even if I was that's only another $133. All fees were included.
On a side note I find it interesting how Nissan advertises $2000 total savings yet whether you are buying or leasing the most you can get is $1500. I was getting $1000 in rebates from Nissan.
Thanks, JP
You haven't provided all the information I need. What about the amounts you're paying upfront? Doc fee and acquisition fee? Down payment means the same thing as cap reduction and doesn't include items paid upfront unless they're applied directly toward reducing the sell price.
The best way for me to analyze your deal is for you to ask the dealer for their lease worksheet. That will speak volumes and tell me everything I want to know. Otherwise, we're guessing. If you like, you can email it to me at
diffeq@zoominternet.net
However, based on what you've provided, I get a lease payment of $252.71 excluding both tax and the NFS $595 acquisition fee. If I include only taxes, I get $282.05. If I include both taxes and the $595 acquisition fee, I get a lease payment $299.65.
Please let me share with you the biggest mistake people make when leasing and that is failure to educate themselves. An educated consumer will never allow a dealer to "run the numbers" or "control the deal". For what it's worth, this is what I do...
1st. I do research regarding residual factors, money factor (I always use the buy rate), learn applicable incentives, and establish a competitive selling price.
2nd. I create a one-page lease proposal with all pertinent data including a description of the vehicle, MSRP, sell price, amounts capitalized (e.g., taxes, acq. fee, etc), cap reductions (e.g., trade, cash down, etc), money factor, residual factor, residual value, term, taxable payment, lease payment, amounts due up front (itemized), contract provisions (gap insurance, excess mileage charge, applicable disposition/purchase option fees).
3rd. I Fax/email the proposal to the dealer and negotiate via phone/email from the comfort of my home/office with my laptop excel spreadsheet lease program fired up and ready to rumble! The only thing I'm likely to negotiate is the sell price and that only requires a few keystrokes on my laptop.And, bing bang, boom you're done!
The key (no pun intended) is that you must control the deal. Never ever allow a dealer to control the deal. Trying to figure out the dealer's numbers is often a pointless exercise and, frankly, a waste of time. These people often lie or simply don't know what the hell they're talking about. Allowing the dealer to control will only end up costing you money. A one-page lease proposal speaks volumes about you... it sends the message that you know what you're talking about and you know and understand leasing. That quickly puts the dealer in their place, and so; they're not at all inclined to play games. This suggests that the biggest advantage of a lease proposal is that it saves time, money, and aggravation.
However, if you agree to allow the dealer to "run the numbers", ALWAYS ask them for their LEASE WORKSHEET. If they refuse to give you a copy, WALK AWAY!
Hope this helps.
John
OK I see what you're driving at. You're right, I didn't do enough homework and that's probably why I got the outcome I did. To be honest, you say do research on the residual value, factor, money factor, buy rate, but the reality is those are some of the hardest numbers to find online. Especially for your exact make, options and current time frame to buy. That's actually been one of my biggest stumbling blocks because up until now I've had to use the figures I see Car Man giving people in this forum. I am not a member of ALG either so I would love to know (if you could) where you get these figures so I could better inform myself of these values and not have to take the dealers word for it.
As far as my situation goes I think the biggest mistake I made was not negotiating a starting selling price without telling them my intention to buy or lease and the fact that I had a trade-in. Obviously, I learned my lesson and will not make the same mistake twice.
I'm going to start anew and also try your lease proposal. The difference is now I see how much more information I need than just the basics so let me get back to you on all of this. I'm going toi try a few new dealers but hopefully I can still get that worksheet from the first dealer (if he gives it to me).
Thanks again for your help and hopefully soon I'll have an update. I wanted to nail this deal down before the 6th of July because of the rebates but it looks like that may be tough. I'll let ya know.
JP
Actually, I get my data from car_man right here at edmunds.com Another source I've used is...
http://www.leasecompare.com/auto_leasing_forum/index.php
Just register and click on the manufacturer auto lease rates forum and ask Tarry Shebesta for the rates and he'll be happy to provide them. But, you're right, this information is not publicly available like loan or mortgage rates. The lobbyists in Washington DC have blocked any effort to disclose them. I guess it's human nature to place selfish greed above the greater good and I find that appalling and despicable.
I never ever take the dealer's word for anything. In fact, you can go to three dealers and ask for the same information and the chances are astronomically high that you'll get three different answers. Either one or more are lying or they're incompetent. Any way you cut it, it doesn't bode well for them.
Here's the basic format I use for my lease proposals...
MSRP 2011Honda Pilot LX Automatic 28,755.00
Selling Price......................................... 26,450.92
Amounts Financed (Capitalized)
AHFC Acquisition Fee ....... 595.00
NY Sales Tax 8.875%... ... 1,248.73
Capitalized Costs
Gross Capitalized Cost .. . 28,294.65
Capitalized Cost Reduction .. . 0.00
Adjusted Capitalized Cost 28,294.65
Residual Data
Residual Factor .. 0.59
Residual Value (Residual Factor × MSRP) 16,965.45
Cost of Money/Term
Money Factor ............ . 0.00173
Term (months) . 36
Monthly Lease Payment . 393.00
Estimated Charges Payable at Lease Origination
Documentation Fee ..... 75.00
Government Fees .. 217.50
Amount Due at Lease Signing . 292.50
Fund Provider: AHFC
GAP Coverage: Included
Annual Mileage Allowance: 12k
Disposition Fee: None
Excess Mileage Charge: $0.15 per mile
NOTE: Monthly Payment = MF x (Adj Cap + Res Val) + (Adj Cap - Res Val) / Term
You might want to put your proposal on your letter head and Fax/email it to the dealer. This will save time, money, and aggravation.
Questions? Please let me know.
John
I received your email but there was no message or attachment. You may want to try re-sending.
John
Thanks in advance for yourhelp.
Probably, the only way that you will be able to avoid paying this penalty would be if you were to purchase your Altima at lease-end.
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I'm thinking about to lease a Altima Coupe 2.5S with convenience package. Do you have any information about the money factor and residual percentage of this car?
Thanks for your help :P
We were in a Nissan dealership in Cincinnati and we were offered this deal:
2.5 S with 2.5 SL Package
* Splash Guards
* Premium Audio Package
* Convenience Package
* Convenience Plus Package
* 2.5 SL Package
39 months/15K miles, $2000 due at signing, $349/month out the door.
$15000 to buy at the end of the lease, I believe.
Is that payment too high?
Thanks
Using your numbers (in your ex.) I come up with a monthly payment of $316.87.
"NOTE: Monthly Payment = MF x (Adj Cap + Res Val) + (Adj Cap - Res Val) / Term"
Did you typo or do I need to go back to basic math skills school.
(please be kind)
HVN
Your formula is correct but, when I plug in the following numbers in my example,...
Adjusted Capitalized Cost 28,294.65
Residual Factor .. 0.59
Residual Value (Residual Factor × MSRP) 16,965.45
Money Factor ............ . 0.00173
Term (months) . 36
Monthly Lease Payment . 393.00
I get...
P = 0.00173 x (28,294.65 + 16,965.45) + (28,294.65 - 16,965.45) / 36
= 393.00
I'm sure your math skills are just fine. I make more mistakes than I care to admit. Thanks for checking my calculations.
John
Now I got it!
You might get a laugh to know that out of 10 salesmen that I have delt with over the last few days, not one knew how to figure out a lease with out a computer.
It was VERY useful to run the numbers right in front of my salesmen and to show them how it works.
I leased @ 15 k miles per year, a nice Altima 2.5S with an adjusted cap of 21060, Residual Value of 12 thousand odd, a MF of .00112 (!?!!!?) over 39 months from Nissan credit (tier 1.)
265 a month and 265 down (first payment.) Everything else went into the lease (tax,lic,doc etc. etc.)
You, car_man and Edmunds saved me a LOT of $$$.
Thanks all!!!
The only thing I did not like was the Nissan lease eContract that seemed to say that I had to pay $1400 (or so) at the signing of the lease. Even though I was not paying it and the dealer was paying it (with Nissan Corp incentives.)
At least that was how the finance manager explained it...
I hope I will not be getting a bill for $1400 in the mail...
I only gave them $265 and drove the car home...
Am I ok?
THANKS!
I'm not surprised that the salesman wasn't able to manually compute lease payments. Actually, it's rather sad.
It sounds like you got a good deal but, without seeing the contract details, I can't say with absolute certainty. The two most important items are the sell price (agreed upon value- disclosed in your lease agreement) and the money factor (not disclosed in your lease agreement).
Your contract is your bible so to speak and would indicate the extent of your liabilities. However, Reg M disclosures (retail lease contracts) leave a lot to be desired. Without seeing it, I don't know whether or not you're liable for the $1,400.
Anyway, good luck!
John
Did you get a coupe or sedan at this price? What's the MSRP? I'm looking for Altima coupe 2.5S with premium package.
MSRP: $27,505
Adjusted CAP: 24,412
Residual value: 14302.60
Term: 39
15,000 miles per year
MF: .00133 (with approved credit)
Monthly payment with all fees: $335
Is this a good deal?
Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s July buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2010 Altima Coupe 2.5S with 15,000 miles per year are .00133 and 53%, respectively.
When negotiating your lease on this car, make sure to take into account the $500 bonus cash that is currently available on it.
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I currently live in NY but will be moving to Greenwich, CT (slated for mid August). I'm torn because I'd like to capitalize on the current incentives. Couple of quick questions...
1) Would you recommend that I lease before current incentives/offer expire (8/2) in NY and change over to CT?
2) Alternatively, I can wait until my move to CT, change license, and find competitive lease offering in CT. However, if I live in CT, can I still take advantage of out-of-state dealers in NY?
Thanks all. Apologies if these are duplicative questions. Thanks in advance for your help.
This will be for a 2010 Nissan Altima 4dr Sedan V6 CVT 3.5 SR (including premium and sport package). I have an excellent credit score (approx 750).
Thanks for your help.
Can you provide the August 2010 residual and money factor for a 2010 Altima Coupe 3.5SR, 36mo / 15k?
And thanks for your great work here!
Nissan Lease Loyalty Program
Program dates- July 1-Sept. 30 2010
Eligibility- Any current Nissan lessees grounding a lease unit and leasing a new Nissan model during program effective dates.
Offer- Lease loyalty cash Offers (varies by model) for customers grounding a lease and re-leasing an eligible Nissan product:
2010 Sentra $500
2010 Cube $500
2010 Rogue $500
2010 Maxima $1000
2010 pathfinder $1000
2010 Armada $1000
2010 Altima Sedan $1500
2010 Murano $1500
2010 Frontier $1500
2010 Altima Coupe $3000
I am familiar with the NMAC national offer but thought that the Altima was $1500 across the board. And is in addition to the $500 Bonus cash. Really sweetens the deal for the 3.5 SR Coupe I am seriously considering. It also seems like dealers are not talking about it unless specifically asked (imagine that).
Please post what you know...
Thanks!
You can still lease from a dealer in New York if you live in Connecticut if you really want to.
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Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s August buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2010 Altima Sedan 3.5 SR with 12,000 miles per year are .00112 and 58%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
The residual value for a lease with only 10,000 miles per year would be 1% higher.
When negotiating your deal, make sure to take advantage of the $500 bonus cash incentive that is currently available on the '10 Altima. If I was in the market for one right now, I personally would shoot for dealer invoice minus the bonus cash.
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Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s August buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 39 month lease of a 2010 Altima Sedan 3.5 SR with 12,000 miles per year are .00112 and 57%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
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The $3,000 owner loyalty cash that you referenced is available on Altima Coupes, but only to current NMAC lessees.
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Are the numbers the same (as listed above) for the 2.5 Coupe as for the 3.5? Also is there any bonus money for those exiting a lease and purchasing rather than leasing again?
Thanks in advance!
Aaron
MSRP: $29,960
Selling Price: $25905
Term: 39 mons
15,000 miles per year.
Dealer offered me $330 monthly payment with first month pay due at sign in.
How is the deal? pls advice.
Unless you are at the end of a current Nissan lease then this seems like a decent deal. If you are at the end of a Nissan Motor Accptnc Corp lease and leasing a new coupe there is an addtl $3000 in incentive money available for you. A Big deal and most dealers wont mention it, you have to bring it up,
If you haven't closed a deal yet and go into the dealership today (Labor Day) I'll bet you can squeeze at least another $500 out of it. I would also insist on 36 months and the same service deal that Toyota is offering - all scheduled service for the life of the lease. If you are firm they will give you both.
Good luck and enjoy your next car!
Thanks for your reply. They give me the offer based on $500 holiday cash. I've closed the deal last Friday but forgot to mention service deal...Anyway, I'm glad to get my new car at a reasonable price. Learned a lot from this forum! :P
NMAC's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2010 Altima Coupe 3.5 with 15,000 miles per year are .00115 and 50%.
I don't think that Nissan has any loyalty cash that's specifically designated for returning lessees who wish to purchase their new vehicle.
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I just put a deposit on a fully loaded 2010 Altima 3.5SR. I put down the tax $1700 (8%) only and I settled on a $350 month payment for 39 months. Does this sound right to you? I didn't get into the cost of the car. I am coming out of a 2008 fully loaded altima 3.5 SE which was $410/month, I knew I wanted the same car with all of the options and thought $60 less a month for a 2010 was a much better lease than last time.
:confuse:
Does $350 a month with $1700 down seem fair for a loaded Altima 3.5 SR?