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Nissan Titan vs Chevy Silverado
I been surfin around on different sites mostly Edmunds on the Nissan Titan compared with the Chevy Silverado 1500. I've found that the Titan is a good deal cheaper within compatible models and has higher horsepower and torque. The Chevy beats it out a hair in fuel economy but they are pretty equal otherwise. The specs would seem to suggest that the Titan is the better truck. I love the Heartbeat of America but i'm not above saving a little money for a superior truck. I built and priced a Titan XE King Cab 4x4 with the off road package and additional features and wound up with a $30k dollar truck. I've never been on Chevy and gotten that. What do yawll think of this. Is there any experience with either of these trucks or mechanics that know the problems with them.
By the way, I'm 79CustomD, i look foward to posting and being an active member, any input on the above topic will be appreciated
By the way, I'm 79CustomD, i look foward to posting and being an active member, any input on the above topic will be appreciated
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What would I do? Well... I couldn't wait, so I ordered a Titan which won't show up until mid-February or later. I did this after test driving all competitors and carefully considering real world experiences posted here. But, I firmly believe the 2007 Silverado 1500 will be a great rig.
Also, 79customd, if you want to talk about 0-60 times, you need another style of vehicles. Trucks have good power, but they are not made for acceleration. They are made for towing.
Well than I won't pick on you grownups and your herolded trucks since everything there is to compare it with the other trucks suggest that its three steps behind the others. Than it must just be perfect.
Also, you mean to tell me that you never drove a car until you were 16??? Never researched cars until you were 18???
Maybe thats why you wound up liking the F150.
Hey, which bikes are the best? The ones at Target or Wal-Mart?
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05 Chevy 2500 HD w/ Duramax desiel
AVG 15-20
99 GMC Classic 1500 w/ 350 V8
AVG 14-21
79 Chevy C10 w/ 4.1L I6
AVG 16-22
Other experienses with family has been my uncles new F-150 averages 13mpg?? Whew! Freind of mine drives an 2002 Dodge Dak w/ 318 V8 and he can barely get 18mpg on the highway when the true highway capability of the trucks we own in over 20mpg. Thats ashamed the Dak don't do any better than that on mileage and it aint even full sized. Another freind has an 02 Ram 1500 who averages 15 no matter what, hiway or city.(360 V8)
Point made is that the GMs have always had the nod on fuel economy, and no one that I've heard talking says that they can beat that mileage in another brand of trucks. Thats why GM is the best all around truck, plenty of power for best gas mileage in the class.
Save your gas money, and go hunting w/it
GM's are better than most on fuel economy. I have an elderly C-1500 (1994) with over 225,000 miles on it. Last summer my son & family moved 150 miles for a new job, and his wife wanted to keep her landscapung rocks.(?) I took three loads down, with at least a full ton in the box each trip. The run was down I-39 with almost no city driving. I averaged 19 mpg loaded, and 18 coming back empty, cruising between 70 & 75 both ways.
I have no explanation for better milage loaded.
As I align and repair front ends for a living, I have driven a couple Titans, and they are nice trucks. I prefer the feel of the GM's for handling, but would not try to discourage anyone from the Titan. I don't know how they do for fuel economy in the real world.
Harry
14 huh? I am not sure I believe you. You type/spell like you are half drunk, and you have to be 21 to purchase alcohol.
Dont be sad ( saddaddy )Theres always single 50 yr old men/women on the market who I'm sure would be happy to hang with you. :surprise: :P
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Didn't you say in an earlier post that you were a hunter? Ever heard of TK and Mike? That's where the name comes from -- has nothing to do with my mood or my family situation.
BTW, I have always been a Chevy guy, too. However, the pricing and performance of the Titan just about have me sold. If they could bump up mileage a little and cure some of those problems, I would be on board.
Looseness in a GM truck is very often a worn pitman arm. The service life of these seems to be about 100 k miles if greased regularly, or about 50 k if never greased.
The second replacement on mine has about 30 k on it.
Harry
Additionally, I wouldn't put too much stock into that 5.6l engine until its been around a few years ... 32 valve, DOHC? And it is just barely beating my 6.0L (which I might add is detuned for my vehicle ... Actual stats on engine are 325hp and 375ft/lbs) stats?
If I had to get a 1/2 ton for strictly towing, the Titan would probably get the nod. Just stating the facts.
Seriously, the Nissan meets or beats the domestics in most categoreies of comparison ... but it has no track record, which is my point ... When I start seeing em replacing all the domestic trucks that are used for heavy hauling, Ill believe the hype ...
As an addendum, for serious towing you need a 2500 series truck (Im not talking about 3500 - 5000 # trailers ... they are right in 1/2 tons wheel house) ...
This said, I am still a fan of the domestics.
I drove all three of the domestics, 3/4 ton models at that, and then bought an 05 Titan. My only minor complaint is payload, but it is a 1/2 ton truck, and doesn't pretend otherwise.
Like I said at the begining of this discussion. The Tian is superior in acceleration and in most of the other catigories. but all that don't matter if your broke down on the side of the road all the time b/c your truck aint reliable.( Talk to the F-150 guys :P )
I dunno, it may be the Titan may be better than the domestics, but with GM and Dodge etc, the chances arent high.
Check out the growth of Toyota's sales in the past 12 months and contrast that to the plummet of Chevy new car sales. Rest assured -- loyalists or not -- the best truck will win out. Right now Chevy is holding its own in that category.
Of the problems the Titan is having, none, that I know of, have to do with the DOHC engine. What is unproven about these. Toyota has been using the DOHC in the Tacomas for over 10 years now. There has to be something said for companies stepping up to the plate with more advanced designs, especially when some (Chevy) still use the pushrod.
One of GMs approaches to decreasing fuel consumption is to reduce internal friction. The cheapest and easiest way to do this is to increase mechanical tolerances that have the greatest influence on friction. GM increased the tolerance fit of the piston-to-bore relationship. It must be noted that until GM made this change piston slap was not an issue with the very same motors, as its not been on Chryslers, Fords, and other pushrod designs.
Dusty
I think that Nissan deserves a lot of credit for bringing a new design to the market with whatever problems they've had. Unfortunately, the Titan does not appear to be the reliability champion that domestic haters and Nissan flagwavers crowed about.
Brakes issues continue to plague the Titan. I have seen three Titans with the front differentials replaced, a couple of failed automatic transmissions, and transfer case problems. Quite a few rattle and noise issues, too. I don't believe the Titan is ready yet to claim superiority over Chevy, Dodge or Ford. And nearly every Titan owner I've spoken to has complained...sometimes bitterly...about the lousy gas mileage. Since even Nissan cannot violate the law of physics, there's a price to pay for performance.
Nissan has played the numbers game nicely, ensuring that many of the objective areas that attract the typical American truck buyer they beat the native American brands, sometimes by only a minuscule and irrelevant amount. However, that is not all that makes a truck and the Titan is noticeably absent in the commercial service use area. Perhaps after the Titan establishes a record to be judged on that will change, too.
Dusty
Its funny to me that, to hear everyone else tell it, Toyota was the one "late to the dance" with a full sized truck as it is yet to even arrive. Alot of people bash Toyota for not having a full size truck, as if they made some kind of mistake when they released the smallish Tundra 6 years ago. However, they have met sales demands every year. How is that a mistake? And they are now the company poised to get a big(ger) portion of the market with this 07 Tundra. We will just have to see.
I agree with that to an extent. But my problem is that seeing how many times they've had to get things right, you'd think they would be flawless by now. American made trucks should come with minimum 75k mile warranties and hardly have any problems because they should know the game better than anyone else.
But Dodge, Chevy, and Ford are STILL plagued with problems that you rarely (IF EVER) see on a Toyota/Nissan type. So why is this? Because repairs = money. The more parts/repairs out the door for one of these companies the more money they make. So what's the incentive for building a quality product?
And I've heard some balk about how few options you have with the foreign builds. But if you can't get a simple setup to work, why would a company be able to make a truck with 10,000 options more likely to work.
That's GM's problem now. They've tried to put their hands in too many cookie jars. GM's motto: make as many cars and variations as possible no matter how crappy they are. Now they're having to have HUGE cutbacks in order to just turn a profit.
In short, my argument is, why go on complicating a product even further until you've worked the kinks out in the simple design? Doesn't make sense....
Just teasing.
But if the Nissans are built simpler why are they having problems selling? Seems strange they are cutting back on production of a superior truck?
What school did you go to? Must have missed the part about exceeding the load limits on a non heavy duty truck.
Nissan doesn't even had a heavy duty model nor does it make a long bed crew cab. Limits your choices a bit doesn't it? In fact isn't the limited choices one of the cons listed by Edmunds in their review of the Titan? That might be why Ford sells Close to 900,000 F series trucks and Nissan can't sell 100,000, or even 90,000 and will cut back production because they can't make projection? At the very least Toyota makes projection.
I am glad you have one of the trouble free Titans. Hope it stays that way. Unless you continue to exceed its towing capacity.
In fact, if you actualy drove it while locked for 13000 miles, I would be very worried. Unless, of course, you have offroaded your 05 titan for 13000 miles. BTW, what did anything I say have to do with modding the electrical systems to retain operation of abs and tc?
and have been very pleased with my purchased. But if you think a ford chey dodge is better in the 1/2 ton size please buy it Chevy and ford need the sells to help with the lay offs and restructuring. By the way if nissan sells only one truck per year that is one more sell that they got from the competition. They surely arenot going away they are not laying off or forcing the american worker into retirement. thanks for listening ---Speed safely :shades: