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It looks to me, based on your info, that Honda falls pretty much in the middle of the pack for these numbers.
As discussed in the other thread, the Ridgeline's payload is actually on par with the full-size 4X4 crew cabs (even with a V8). Compared with the F150, it is slightly lower than the styleside and slightly higher than the flareside.
The place where the Ridgeline falls short is towing. No doubt about that. But when you take into account that the others must subtract for gear and passengers, it's not as big a difference as the numbers suggest.
Toykick is correct in saying that most vehicles have the *potential* to haul and tow more than the Ridgeline. But he is only looking at the best possible ratings. If he were to read the fine print, he'd learn that 4WD and crew cab configurations reduce the capacities of these vehicles. Extras add weight. Weight reduces capability.
as for which V8 truck wastes less gas then the ridgeline... The vvti v8 tundra... 18/22 for Access cab 16/21 for Double Cab tundra go to a dealership.. True mpg mileage isnt posted on toyotas website... :P Chevys Ext.cab silverado 5.3 4x2 310hp 335ftlb of torque gets 16/21 mpg... owners average 18-19 mixed.. lol do some more research GUY!
Gross combined vehicle weight rating:
Double cab v6 Tacoma 4x4 : 11,100
Ridgeline :10,085
So The Tacoma can handle more weight per Axle then the Ridgeline...
Nissan hasnt posted the frontiers #
If your point is that an empty truck is going to have a higher payload than a Ridgeline with five passengers, then... whoopee.
You're going to need to provide something to back up those numbers. The Green Vehicle Guide lists the Tundra at 15-18 mpg. Even without 4WD, it's only rated 16-19. Those numbers are echoed by every page I've found, including the EPA's site.
Double cab v6 Tacoma 4x4 : 11,100
Ridgeline :10,085
So The Tacoma can handle more weight per Axle then the Ridgeline...
More weight per axle? The GCVR is the max capacity assuming a loaded trailer. It has nothing to do with weight per axle.
The advantage for the Tacoma is it's higher tow rating. But that has nothing to do with its axle ratings. The number you're looking for is the GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating).
You can't get away with just making stuff up. We're going to check it.
Here are the rear GAWR figures for a few of the trucks from the discussion, so far. I was not able to find information for the mid-size Toyota and Nissan. (They only publish that information for their full-size trucks.) If someone with an owner's manual could provide that, it would be appreciated.
Colorado = 2,896 lbs
Sport Trac = 3,200 lbs
Ridgeline = 3,252 lbs
Dakota = 3,600 lbs
OkieScot
The monocoque/frame design used in the Ridgeline is actually something GM played with back when Honda's Gary Flint worked for GM. However, I think going that route would too expensive for them, even though it would probably result in a much more balanced and modern vehicle. Hence the suggestion for the Nissan approach.
You are right. Leafs don't replace struts. They cannot be used togeather on the same axle. The rear of Tacomas (where the weight is handled) is leafs and SHOCKS. The front has struts. When the rear gets struts, my business will go domestic. I don't see any quality trucks going with struts on the rear in the near future because you can't get the weight capacity and torgue out of struts. Honda is seeing that with the history of failure of their rear struts when they try to carry weight or tow. Being in the automotive repair business, it is nice to see the Hondas keep me busy replacing struts, but it is not something I would invest in.
Please post links to history of strut failure on Ridgeline outside of Edmunds test drive.
And EPA Ratings of the 05 tundra are the same as the toyotas website. The non vvti 00-04 has the same epa ratings as the 05-06. No one has tested the new 05 tundra. Edmunds, C&D, motor Trend, etc.. But theyve tested the ridgeline and edmunds posted an average of less then 15mpg mixed driving.
By the U.S. Evironmental Protection Agency.
My problem with the Colorado isn't so much that it's a bad little truck. The problem (IMO) is that it's a little truck. Right now, the consumer market is to be shifting toward "mid-sizers". While small trucks are rental fleet fodder. Of course, not everyone wants a mid-size, but I think Chevy would reach a larger more profitable audience with a mid-size.
After reviewing many of the conversations that you participate in, I have come to the conclusion that you are not a fan of the Honda Ridgeline. My question to you is, from what qualified educational institution (college or university) did you acquire your engineering degree from? You seem to be extremely passionate about your Toyota Tacoma, which in the correct forum would not underestimate the intelligence of your intended audience, as you have attempted to do in this forum. You clearly feel that "your" facts are true, however they appear to merely be opinion. Evidently, your distaste for Ridgeline influences your ability to have a intelligent discussion. In other words these are big boy discussions try not to let that overwhelm you. Thank you, I look forward to hearing more from as you have made these discussions entertaining.
After reviewing many of the conversations that you participate in, I have come to the conclusion that you are not a fan of the Honda Ridgeline. My question to you is, from what qualified educational institution (college or university) did you acquire your engineering degree from? You seem to be extremely passionate about your Toyota Tacoma, which in the correct forum would not underestimate the intelligence of your intended audience, as you have attempted to do in this forum. You clearly feel that "your" facts are true, however they appear to merely be opinion. Evidently, your distaste for Ridgeline influences your ability to have a intelligent discussion. In other words these are big boy discussions try not to let that overwhelm you. Thank you, I look forward to hearing more from as you have made these discussions entertaining.
I second that.
After reviewing many of the conversations that you participate in, I have come to the conclusion that you are not a fan of the Honda Ridgeline. My question to you is, from what qualified educational institution (college or university) did you acquire your engineering degree from? You seem to be extremely passionate about your Toyota Tacoma, which in the correct forum would not underestimate the intelligence of your intended audience, as you have attempted to do in this forum. You clearly feel that "your" facts are true, however they appear to merely be opinion. Evidently, your distaste for Ridgeline influences your ability to have a intelligent discussion. In other words these are big boy discussions try not to let that overwhelm you. Thank you, I look forward to hearing more from as you have made these discussions entertaining.
I second that.
And if theirs such a thing as I third that then I third that.
No matter how passionate Toykick is with his Tacoma, theirs no way in this world that any Toyota product could touch the Ridgeline in terms of awards and and all around versatility ON IT'S FIRST TRY.AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THESE AWARD GIVING BODIES ARE REAL GENUINE AUTHORITIES IN THEIR RESPECTIVE FIELDS AND NOT SOME self proclaimed ENGINEER.
TOYKICK TRY MATCHING YOUR TACOMA WITH THE FOLLOWING, LET ME START WITH 2005 MT TRUCK OF THE YEAR, WHAT NEXT?
THE RIDGELINE ON THE OTHER HAND.
1-Motor Trend truck of the year 2006
2-Detroit News truck of the year 2006
3-Consumer Reports top rated truck
4-JD Power & Associates 2005 APEAL award for the Honda Ridgeline
5-Autobytel 2006 Editors' Choice Award: Truck of the year 2006
6-Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC) Best New Pickup 2006
7-On Wheels Incorporated: Ridgeline 2006 Urban Wheel Award for the Urban Truck of the Year
8-best rollover resistance rating of any pickup tested by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
9-first-ever 4-door pickup to earn a 5-star safety rating for both front and side impact crash test performance from the U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA).
10-Car And Driver Rates Honda Ridgeline #1 Pickup.
11- AutoWeek Editors' Choice Award as the 'Most Significant' new vehicle in the show.
12.Society of plastic engineers 2005 awards. :shades:
NOW TRY MATCHING ALL THOSE 12 MANO A MANO. :sick:
GOOD LUCK.
Variety in products is what makes having choices great. Don't get blinded by a brand, you'd just be sucked into corporate hype not to mention Bush facts as you already have a penchant for quoting just to make your case. Although I'd never stray far from a Honda or Toyota since their reliability is legendary, witnessed first hand by the 87 accord and the 92 corolla in my stable.
I do hope Honda provides a non awd version. I feel that unless one is really in the deep stuff, 4x2 is all that's really needed and for the slightly more challenging situation, a pair of chains will come in handily. Especially when that pushes the MPG higher for the majority of drivers who drive paved roads.
Just my 2 cents.
Car and driver.. well i've posted #s and other figures look them up.
"First-ever 4-door pickup to earn 5 star safety rating" - Well the 05 tacoma double cab & nissan frontier havent been tested as extensive as the ridgeline on the NHTSA website. Reg cab and extended cab version of the tacoma were only tested and got 5 stars frontal and 5 stars side impact, frontiers crew cab was tested, 05 High way crash tests ranked the tacoma best pick over the frontier, dakota, ranger, colorado & canyon. Ridgeline hasn't been yet tested...
i'll post the rest later
for example those 12 sites... is where most of the info/specs i've posted is provided.
Actually, it didn't get a best pick. It just got a "Good" rating.
Reg cab and extended cab version of the tacoma were only tested and got 5 stars frontal and 5 stars side impact
I can't seem to find this information. Please supply the site. I didn't know the Tacoma had 5 star's on both front and side.
i've posted several facts and most people like to believe its b.s.
It seems the information you've just posted are merely baseless statements.
yep baseless statements i guess...
"Not yet tested"
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/ncap/Index2.cfm
first ever pick up to get 5 stars front & side?
05 same results... Nissan only has its crew cab tested and not ext. or reg cab. and ranked 4 stars frontal & 5 side for gov. tests
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you should contact them
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Responding to this post is a challenge, for the mere fact that is senseless babble, as are most of your responses when you are questioned on your information. For someone who apparently knows little to nothing about the vehicle they are driving, you certainly have a lot to say. Clearly, you struggle with innovation and technology, which is ok the rest of us will provide factual information to post. One more tip, try using capitals when beginning a sentence, it will make easier to see where the b.s begins and ends. Thanks again for the entertainment.
First, state your favorite truck of the five listed.
Second, name two things you'd change about it if you could.
:surprise: Third, name one good thing about each of the competitors.
Fourth, take a deep breath, and get over yourself, you are one in many posters!
Have a nice (I don't mean a good one, I mean NICE) day, guys (and girls if there are any in this forum).
I wish it delivered better gas mileage and had smoother front end styling.
The GM twins are a value priced midsize truck.
The Dodge delivers big V-8 torque at V-6 prices.
Nissan is the best looking truck here.
The Toyota has multiple configurations to make it easy to pick the model you need.
DONE!
For my current needs, I like the Frontier SE 4x4, which is why I have one.
I would change about my Nissan:
Tires. I hate low-quality tires.
Paint: I hear this about many new vehicles. Due to environmental concerns (So I've read), paint has some different content that makes it easier to chip. Though it is not a huge concern, I'd like tougher paint.
Good things about other trucks:
Colorado: I like how they look with the black fender flares. The front end is nice, too.
Toyota: It'll be durable over the long haul, most likely. I used to have a Tacoma, and still would if it wasn't totaled.
Ridgeline: Well suited for city-duty and family-duty, which for many is necessary. Long-term Honda reliability is great. I have had many Hondas.
Dakota: Has a good payload rating, I think.
I think the handling could be improved and there's a list of safety features which should be standard.
(The truck I'd buy is the Ridgeline. While I admire the Tacoma, I just don't need all of its utility.)
Happy thoughts...
The Frontier appears to be the queen of the dirt trails.
The Dakota sort of invented the mid-size truck category.
The Colorado is a terrific value for those on a budget.
The Ridgeline simply outclasses the rest on the road.
Car and driver.. well i've posted #s and other figures look them up.
"First-ever 4-door pickup to earn 5 star safety rating" - Well the 05 tacoma double cab & nissan frontier havent been tested as extensive as the ridgeline on the NHTSA website. Reg cab and extended cab version of the tacoma were only tested and got 5 stars frontal and 5 stars side impact, frontiers crew cab was tested, 05 High way crash tests ranked the tacoma best pick over the frontier, dakota, ranger, colorado & canyon. Ridgeline hasn't been yet tested...
i'll post the rest later
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LATER? WHEN? IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS? A CENTURY MAYBE.GOOD LUCK :sick:
Second, I would like to see a manual for the V6 available with better mileage and for the 2x4. More visibility out the front would be great as well, The way it's currently configured, the rear view mirror get's in the way if you are peeping right at a four way stop and it's pretty much a front down view, have to duck to see up. (Good thing it's high up as a PreRunner )
Third, Ridgeline: I like the storage bin in back and the unique tailgate. Frontier: Lots of options and almost went with that. American Entries: Not much to say, had a '89 S-15 and loved it.
Fourth, deep breath taken.
Toykick, I apologize if it seemed like I was marketing for Honday and Toyota, that was just my opinion. However I do support and like the variety available for everyone to pick what they like. Everything else is just opinion and asinine "marketing figures". Above all, I don't want the same car on the road, everywhere. It would be a terribly bland landscape if that were the same case.
yep i guess its babble. Even though i have several sources to back it up :P
which is ok the rest of us will provide factual information to post.
ok smart guy tell me what false information i've provided?
best pick was erased for 06 on hwy crash tests on their website. i'll admit 05 mpg mileage for the vvti tundra are wrong "online". drivers average 19+, dont believe me go to Tundrasolutions.com. As for the v8 silverado. well i'm still waiting for a response..
Trailer boats has 1/4mile and 0-60 towing times for all midsized trucks. The Ridgeline was praised on their site also but they pointed out that the ridgeline wouldnt of won towing truck of the year because it was the slowest in the comparison vs. the previous tested midsized trucks... They tested the dakota, tacoma, frontier, ranger, colorado and the tacoma had the best towing times of the bunch... even edmunds admits that... The ridgeline is an urban truck for soccer moms. Its only useful for groceries and small home depot runs... Offroading is off limits, washboard roads arnt