Toyota Highlander

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  • comedydramacomedydrama Member Posts: 17
    Anyone who has the title Fleet Manager on their card or office wall is pretty much empowered to use the inventory as they see fit, other than a warning from a sales manager or general manager making them aware that they are NOT to sell certain cars for less than a certain amount of $ profit. Fleet managers have their own offices (typically) and they will often have plaques and awards on their walls to show that they are "there to stay" so to speak. Or, that they care enough about their positions to stay UP on product knowledge and/or regional product volume sales.

    This ... this "knowing" is what is missed, these days, with the use of the internet or faxes or emails. The gentle touch, the voice inflection, the touch and feel of the actual cars. The "personal" connection.

    Often, a salesperson can masquerade as a fleet manager but can't get very far doing that in person! The moment there is a boss to check with (other than trade value or credit decision) then you know you're NOT with someone empowered enough to make a deal decision. This, you cannot see over the internet or a faxed request.

    CD
  • rponsetirponseti Member Posts: 35
    A friend of mine bought a new White Highlander a month ago. She keeps getting this brown build up behind each of her rear wheel wells right above and including the mud flap. Could it be brake dust? It's very noticeable and ugly. It appears just days after she washes it. Is anyone else experiencing this? Any comments are welcome. Thanks.
  • pacotacopacotaco Member Posts: 4
    I live in Virginia and am in the process of having a dealer try to find a 4x2 V6 with selected options. Two of the main options are Traction control ID, and side air bags BE. I was told by the dealer that these options are rare on the 4x2 V6's being manufactured, that unless the car is a limited and fully loaded they are not being built with these two options. Are others finding this to be true or is the dealer just blowing smoke? In addition, does anyone know when the last date when you can place a factory order and get a 2001? Thanks for your help, taco
  • comedydramacomedydrama Member Posts: 17
    Ask cliffy1 here on the forums, he know a lot about cars in Virginia and east coast, it looks like. Maybe he can answer your questions about the side airbags and the skid and traction control.
  • abuyer1abuyer1 Member Posts: 31
    Dan 1555 is right. After seeing his reply, I went back to my dealer about the aftermarket console installation, and indeed he now says that he can order and install it in my HL. But he says that his "cost" is $259 for the box plus two hours of installation costing another $200. So he tells me that at his cost, he would order it and have it installed for me at a total of $459, which is considerably more than the invoice for a port-installed console. Hmmmm. Maybe if I wait for the 2002 HL to show up, they might then be providing the much better looking Kluger console that Toyota now is supplying in Japan. So unless I can get a better price than the $459, I am thinking that it might be smarter to wait for the 2002 console, which hopefully will be the really good one, and hopefully can be installed in the 2001 HL. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
  • novice11novice11 Member Posts: 6
    hello to SRBO and Sue51,

    My wife and I both had heard that clicking noise in the rear area. It sounded as if it was a metal strap lapping against metal. We could hear it when going over a mild bump but particularly when on a road that tended to make the vehicle ride up and down(as if in a boat and going over small swells). Anyway, I rode in the back and could hear the annoying clicking sound coming from the top of the rear quarter panel, directly at the bottom of the rear window.

    After considerable time of being in the dealership and with them exploring around with our vehicle, they believe that the noise is from the rear struts. The dealership claimed that they had to remove each rear strut, replace some type of rubber mounting, re-grease the area and then torque the strut back down to the vehicle.

    At this time, we do not hear the same clicking noise as before. I do not know how long this fix will last. Anyway, this may be a source of your clicking noise. Initially, when I was riding in the back cargo area, the noise seemed to reverberate up into the upper area of the side and roof, but luckily, I think the noise was narrowed down to the struts.

    By the way, before the dealership performed this fix, they were convinced that it was a manufacturing defect with the Unibody not being welded correctly, and had attempted to disassemble the rear wheel well sheet metals and then weld them back. It didn't work. Don't let them do that. Go the strut route first!.

    I had previously posted a similar question in another Townhall section. I think it was in the service and repair one.

    Good Luck
  • varigvarig Member Posts: 99
    I am researching a number of vehicles since I must replace my 1988 Toyota. Since I did not want to overlook Toyota, I test drove a V6 Highlander at 2 different dealerships. I was not overly impressed. I detected a "grinding" noise in the engine, especially on acceleration, with both Highlanders. I wanted to see if the 1st vehicle was just a fluke. Sorry to say that I have dropped the Highlander from my "short list". The Subaru Outback LLBean gave a much better ride and handling than the Highlander. It also has a better interior, IMHO. I also test drove a MB E320 which is in another class and it is probably not fair to include in the comparison. My vehicle research goes on. I am pleased that others have found the Highlander to meet their needs and expectations. Happy Driving!
  • boulderhlboulderhl Member Posts: 18
    Gwkiser, I was very interested to hear about your solution to the noise problem, and had a few questions if you don't mind, as I would love to get rid of this irritating little noise myself.

    First off, you described your sound as a clicking noise, and although you didn't mention it in this post, I assume that it occurs while the car was being cooled down after it had sat in the sun or heat for awhile. That sounds very similar to the symptoms I have, although I would characterize my sound more like a rubber dart being pulled off a window or wall, and the frequency of the sound seems to diminish as the car cools.

    As for your fix, I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to when you mentioned that you removed the rear wing. Are you talking about the rear spoiler? If not, could you be more specific. If you did mean the rear spoiler, since that is an option that not everyone has, is there any AL owners out there that is getting this clicking
    noise, BUT doesn't have a spoiler? I was fairly certain that the noise I was hearing was coming from somewhere around the sunroof (which by the way, do you have one?) area, but I suppose could have been coming from further back?

    Finally, I would think that since this problem seems fairly common, rather than having all of us AL owners trying this on our own, we should somehow get this information to Toyota (maybe Cliff or one of the other sales persons could pass it on through "official" channels) so that we could get this "fix" done at our local dealers.

    Any other thoughts???
  • mdekruytermdekruyter Member Posts: 7
    I agree with boulder. More info is needed before I will believe this noise is from the spoiler. I have the spoiler and moon-roof and the noise most often sounds like it is from the roof. I'm not going the let the dealership try anything until Toyota issue a service bulletin (I don't want to be the sucker that gets there car messed up by mechanics trying everthing trial and error). On this forum, one person even had there car welded by the dealer, and it was not the source of this noise.

    If Toyota was smart and pro-active, they would monitor this site to get a heads-up on future fixes
  • jaymarcjaymarc Member Posts: 15
    With only 2800 miles on my new 4 week old Highlander, the front tire had a blow out yesterday. When buying the vehicle I questioned the quality of that tire, as the Fords have had so many problems with defective tires, but I was reassured that this tire was not part of that problem as they were made in a different plant. Well, I guess that might not be the case as it could be with all Bridgestone/Firestone tires!! Has anyone else had any problems with them?
  • mdekruytermdekruyter Member Posts: 7
    The "Brigestones" are made in Japan. The "Firestones" that appear to be failing are made in the US. Also, only certain model tires that don't have a ply around the metal are the tires that are failing.
  • gwkisergwkiser Member Posts: 326
    Sorry boulderhl and mdekruyter (and others) for being a little vague in my description of the noise source.

    First, as I home office, our HL sits in the garage most all of every day (although the garage here in San Antonio has already hit 96 degrees a few days ago). Nevertheless, the noise would occur when it was driven and hit the random "bump in the road" or strong winds. It WAS more frequent when the outside temps were warmer. Boulder, the noise is not like a rubber dart...etc., but a distinctive erratic "click" sound, much as if the plastic liners in the cargo area were shifting against each other or bouncing up and down on top of each other.

    Secondly, the source of my sound was the rear wing...yes, the rear spoiler. I have a V6 2wd Limited (pkg INCLUDES rear spoiler), but NO moonroof. Don't know for sure, but maybe your noise is a different problem than what mine was. Since two of you are stating that it seems to come from the area of the moonroof, my suspicion is that you do indeed have a different problem.

    Regarding letting the dealer do it for me, I decided that I could try to solve this one without the hassle of going to them. I like to think that I have reasonably good mechanical aptitude and removing a few screws or bolts just didn't seem like much of a challenge. In fact, it only required a 10mm (or was it 9mm) deep socket and about 15 minutes, including the time to lube the gaskets.

    On a final note, NEVER would I let solutions progress to the point of letting the dealer get a torch near the HL (or any other vehicle I own/owned).
  • b717b717 Member Posts: 38
    I bought a console yesterday from my local dealer here in Hawaii. They had 10 charcoal in stock, did not check the ivory inventory.
    Part number is PT413-69010-14 for charcoal, box contained all the relevant mounting brackets,adapter plates,bolts, washers etc. No installation sheet is provided, but looks relatively straight forward for the mechanically inclined. Looks like 2 small holes may need to be drilled. I will install later next week when schedule permits some driveway time. List is 199.00, paid 159.20+tax. Outer box is marked showing that the part is made in the U.S.
  • litzingerlitzinger Member Posts: 10
    I was wondering if anybody had strong opinions on the Highlander 4 cyl vs 6 cyl AWD. We aren't planning to tow anything but bicycles on the tow hitch, but want the power to go up a steep San Fran hills without worry. I've heard a comment or two on hear that the 4 cylinder is a little sluggish on hills. Do others agree? Did anybody test drive both and notice a big difference?

    Also- if an HL is unavailable on the lot and you have to factory order it, do you pay full amount when you place the order or just a down payment?
  • ejay2ejay2 Member Posts: 20
    I suggest you test drive both engine sizes up the hills of SF. I purchased the 6 cylinder version and will prob. only tow a couple bikes myself, but think of the possible number of times you might be driving a full load of passengers,which is heavier than a few bikes. I suggest the vallejo street hill b/w montgomery and sansome (?), or the filbert street hill b/w grant and kearny.
  • tfuzztfuzz Member Posts: 93
    I took the HL on a 300 mile trip today. It was quite windy, so I was serenaded by the wind noise on both sides. It was on one side at a time depending on my direction of travel--driver's side with the wind from the right; passenger side with the wind from the left.

    To silence the noise, I stopped, opened the door on the affected side, placed a wash cloth across the top of the door toward the front, then closed the door over the wash cloth. I then carefully pulled the wash cloth in so that there wasn't enough left hanging outside to flap. Voila! No wind noise! Apparently it doesn't take much pressure to stop the seals from leaking and vibrating. I might devise a more elegant temporary solution this weekend to use on windy days while I wait for Toyota to get around to fixing the problem. I don't know if this is a universal solution or not. The effectiveness may vary depending on the direction and speed of the wind, speed of the car, atmospheric pressure, heavy breathing in the car, etc.

    As regards the beating noise when the back windows are down, it is indeed loud, even painful at times. However, I have found it pretty easy to adjust the 4 windows and the moonroof so that the noise stops. Of course, you can also just run the AC. However, I do like to have at least one of the back windows down part way when the dog is riding in back on a sunny day--I'm not sure how much AC reaches the back.

    As far as the channels along the sides of the windshield, I have no idea what they are for. My Sienna also has them. I don't think they are involved in the wind noise problem, but I'm not sure. I engineered the Wash Cloth Fix for the noise in the front--somebody else can try taping these channels, or whatever, to see if it has any effect.

    How do I go about trademarking a wash cloth design with the Toyota emblem? Let's see, 70,000 Highlanders, that's 140,000 wash cloths (I'll make'em mirror image, one for the left, one for the right). Maybe charge $5/cloth, which would be a steal--Toyota would charge $10. Heck, everyone should have 4--one for each door, just in case the rear doors start leaking too. Make that 5--another for the hatch. That's 350,000 wash cloths @$5/ea for a total of $1,750,000. That should be enough to put my kid through college!
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    I've seen the full-length console on the Toyota Japan site (below), anyone have a photo or link for the US-spec console? Thanks.


    http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/KlugerV/index.html

  • gunga64gunga64 Member Posts: 271
    Still doing research, I came accross a few trucks to try and compete with the HL.

    Buick Rendezvous- pretty good looking design, I think a little larger then HL has 3 sets of
    seats, which is pretty cool.. Is Buick part of Chevy? I get confused cause I do not want to own
    a Chevy, Will test drive it for kicks, but most likely no competion for HL. Gm type quality gives
    me doubts. NIce engine size.

    Saturn Vue- coming out in the Fall, plastic fenders and such I kinda like that, price starting
    below 20,000 I hear, Engine not that much bigger then Base HL. But cargo is bigger then HL I
    think. I can wait that long I guess

    Honda CRV- coming out with new bigger Engine this month, but I already crossed that one off
    my list. To small behind the seats. Great pricing on these models though and quality is top
    notch. Great first car, "Made in Japan" you gotta love that

    Honda new Acura type suv- coming out next year, can't wait that long.

    Honda Oddessy- Real competion for the HL, only thing is price for me about 2k more then I'm
    willing to pay. But still on list.

    Acura MDX- Proabally dream car, but I can't afford it. Have an integra now and its top notch.

    Ford Explorer 2002- Was going to give it a shot, but price for XLT too high, I think even with
    discount from manufactor. Hell I have to face facts they suck, I mean blaming Firestone for
    bad design, just like an American car company

    Toyota 4 runner- This one sucks always has and probally always will

    Toyota Sequina - Yea right like I can afford it

    Toyota Ciena- Not bad, didnt test drive it but out of my price range.

    Ford Excape- Maybe too small price is low though on truck frame drives like truck don't like
    that.

    Mazda Tribute- Same size as Excape, price higher, drives better then Excape, prettier too,
    This is one to look at if room in real is as large as Toyota could be good.

    Mazda MPV- Good competitor especially if I get it used with 10k miles on it can get it for 17k,
    more loot in my pocket and good size. Engine a little small but has enough bells and
    whistles. Keep hearing rumor of bigger engine coming but then what would it cost. "made in
    Japan gotta love that"

    Nissan- They all stink and priced too high

    Suzuki XL-7- Interesting SUV, 19-25k in price but rebates probally all over it, has 3 rows of
    seats not bad. Small engine, I think only available in manual go figure. Not great competion.

    Kia, Hyundia etc- Cute not guts in engine and relialblity still questionable even with 10/100k
    warrenty on power train. Owned a Hyundai once gear shift broke off while I was driving, I gues
    that warrenty would have covered it.

    Toyota Highlander- Don't know if I want a 4 or 6 cylinder. ah and.... well I guess thats about it
    , oh yeah paying 1500.00 in state sales tax stinks. Damn what do they do with that
    money. "made in Japan" gotta love that.

    All other American SUVs- Who cares, they break all the time.

    I seem to be on the right message board. So far so good.
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    I was wondering why cars in Japan have a drivers side mirror on the front fender panel?

    Is this a styling feature or a useful aid while driving?
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    Wow, that's quite a selection to choose from! Do you plan on test driving all of them?

    I'm curious...what will you be using your new vehicle for? Answering that would go a long way in trimming that list down.
  • dar8dar8 Member Posts: 3
    I think is for parking, looking down on the two wheels
  • dniehusdniehus Member Posts: 83
    A little clarification --

    Buick, Saturn, and Chevrolet are all divisions of General Motors. I happen to share your opinion of GM quality.

    The Ford Escape is not a truck. Like the Highlander, Honda CRV, Acura MDX, Lexus RX300 (and others), it is built on a car chasis and handles like a car. The Escape and Mazda Tribute are cousins in that both are built at the same Ford assembly plant near Kansas City. Both the Escape and Tribute have been burdened with at least 6 official recalls and numerous other quality issues. Many of us who bought HL's previously considered either an Escape or Tribute, but reconsidered after all the problems surfaced. Hopefully Ford and Mazda will improve these vehicles for the 2002 model year.

    You should also consider the Subaru Forester and the Outback. For the money (low $20's), the Subaru Forester is very highly rated by Consumer Reports. I traded a 1998 Forester in for my HL. I was very happy with it but I wanted something a bit more luxorious than Subaru offered. You also didn't specifically mention the Hyundai Santa Fe. It might be worth considering if your budget is $20-24,000. Good luck.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Finding a 2WD with VD and BE is indeed am impossibility here in VA. While we can factory order vehicles, it really isn't practical. When we place an order on a Japanese built vehicle, we are only sent a confirmation letter that the order was received. We are not told when it will be built. I have seen them come through in as little as 3 months and as long as 6. If you ordered now, you would probably get a 2002.

    Most dealers avoid factory orders on Japanese cars. Customers tend to loose patience after 2 months and end up buying whatever they can that is close in equipment. That means the dealer will eventually receive your car and have to find another buyer for it. If your choice was really odd, they may have a hard time finding a new home for it. Generally, dealers don't want to take a risk like this and will charge a higher price for this kind of order.

    The other problem is pricing. If the 2002 goes up in price, or if options change, you will have to live with it.

    Orders can be done. Just make absolutely sure you are not willing to compromise something to get one sooner and more easily.
  • tfuzztfuzz Member Posts: 93
    Like dniehus, I also traded a 1998 Forester on my HL. The Forester was a great vehicle, with good safety features, good ride, handling and reasonable gas mileage. It also did well in the snow (actually has more ground clearance than the HL). Looking at your list, I would also suggest you at least take a look at it and the Outback to compare with the other vehicles you mentioned. I went to the HL to get a larger vehicle. Otherwise, I would have been very happy to stay with a Forester. In fact, in some respects, I thought the Forester was better than my HL. In other respects, the HL wins out, IMHO.
  • integraintegra Member Posts: 8
    I am deciding between these 2 vehicles. I've test driven both and I like the ride and quietness of the HL better, but could save a lot if I buy the Forester. Since dniehus and tfuzz both traded in their Foresters, could either of you or anyone else tell me what you liked better about the Forester and what is better about the HL (besides size and ride). Thanks for the info.
  • norskmannorskman Member Posts: 11
    I recently became suspcious of an error in my speedometer and odometer readings. I then set one of my trip odometers to zero when passing an interstate mileage marker. After 25 miles on the interstate (according to the mileage markers), my HL said I had gone only 24 miles. This works out to a 4% error and means that
    1. I'm really going 78 when my speedometer says 75 (no wonder I am rarely passed on the freeway these days).
    2. Instead of getting 23mpg, I'm really getting about 24mpg.
    Anybody else notice this?
  • tfuzztfuzz Member Posts: 93
    integra, off the top of my head here is my humble opinion of both vehicles. Of course, YMMV, and my opinions may change as I have the HL longer:

    Forester: 22.98 mpg over 44,000 miles
    HL (V6 AWD): 20.13 mpg over 2,300 miles

    HL Wins: ride (slight edge), quietness (not counting the infamous "wind noise"), seat comfort and much better adjustability, controls (especially stereo and heater/AC), fit and finish, stereo sound (with the JBL speakers), better visibility (you sit higher), easier to change oil (even though the filter is difficult to reach--the Forester has a shield that has to be removed), privacy glass (maybe Forester has that now, but my '98 didn't, anti-skid control available, back windows roll all the way down (Forester doesn't--but HL's are of limited usefulness at highway speeds because of beating noise), back seat much more comfortable, smoother engine and drive train (slight edge--Forester is also excellent), smoother AC compressor (you can feel it turn off and on in Forester), slightly smoother ride, doesn't seem to be blown around by really high winds as much as Forester, access to the back seat while moving (like a minivan), better paint job than the Subaru, better arm rest (Forester didn't have one)

    Forester Wins: tracking down the road at 75 mph(takes more attention to keep the HL in your lane whereas the Subaru was a dream cruising down the road--I think maybe the HL reacts to steering a little too quickly at high speeds), handling in general, easier to maneuver and park, more fun to drive, easier to wash, easier to clean windshield, cruise control retains setting even when you stop (you have to reset the cruise on the HL--I HATE that!!!), I liked the tires better, excellent crash test results (we don't know about the HL yet--I got a discount for safety on my Forester insurance that I don't get on the HL), better front seat cup holder (many will disagree with me here, but I liked it--kept my diet Cokes cold since it was right in front of AC vent), hand lever for parking brake (HL has foot pedal--push on, push off), brakes, slightly more ground clearance, better "cubby holes" here and there--HL is very deficient, pollen filter available,

    General comments: The Forester seemed to have a windshield that was too soft, if such a thing is possible--it either pitted too easily or it was just unlucky to get hit so often--lots and lots of tiny little pits as well as some large ones. The Forester did very well in snow--don't know about the HL yet. The Forester's size made it really easy to zip around town, park, fit in the garage, etc. It was really a fun vehicle to drive. Except for seat comfort it cruises down the highway better also, but is a little noiser. I was having a little trouble with paint washing off the bumpers of the Forester (both front and back--from car washes, I guess).

    I like both vehicles a lot--most of these differences are minor. I would be very happy with either. If I wanted a smaller vehicle, I'd take the Forester. If I wanted a larger one I'd take the HL. In fact, I tried to talk my wife into letting me keep the Forester and trade in the minivan (a Sienna) on the HL, but no dice.

    That's all I can think of right now. Any specific questions?
  • little_pogilittle_pogi Member Posts: 149
    Those fender mirrors are typical for Japanese made cars. Looks like they want it that way. When I went there for the first time in the early 80's, they were installed in all Japanese cars. Side mirrors were rare. They only one that have side mirrors were in imports (BMW, Mercedez, etc.). I also did not see any U.S. made cars.
  • gunga64gunga64 Member Posts: 271
    Brad_22 I need something that can carry me my wive and my 2 kids they are kinda young now 4 years old and 7 months but I expect to have car 10 years. It also has to have enough room behind real seats for two medium size strollers. That fact alone stoped me from getting the Honda CRV, the Mazda Tribute had a little more room for strollers but I think the HL has the most in that class. Basically I want a big car type SUV I guess who needs 4wd in Florida.

    Yeah you guys are right Subaru makes the list as possabilites too. I have just been avoiding it because it looks like a car, my parents had 2 Subarus in the past were great cars, paint was kinda weak if I recall right but thats minor. But I agree it has possablities. Test drove the Honda Oddessy its still up there for choices, its just kinda big maybe too big to drive around a lot. But can't complain about the room, its great. Quality is great too ughh!!!

    Looks to me its up to the HL, Honda or maybe a Mazda, The Ford Escape is built on a car frame not truck frame I'm 99% sure of that the Mazda is built on a car frame the 626.

    Funny the Toyota salesmen I spoke to this week realy put down Ford Escape bad when I said I was looking into the Mazda as well. That kinda talk does'nt effect me much though its still a competitor.

    You can't complain much about the HL as far as safety goes they got that locked up I think.
    The dealer I went to this weekend did'nt have any 4 cylinders and said they are hard to get, yet I went to another dealer and they had em. They will say anything to sell the one they have on the lot. I learned from the last time I bought a car, its probally better just to order the one you want. You get exactly what you want. Funny how everytime I want to buy a car they don't have the one I want. They always have the high end ones. In fact the dealer I went to this week had tons of Limited, maybe they need to change the name from Limited to Available.

    Going to pay cash for my HL, thought I had the cash all saved and found out wive siphoned out $ 3000.00 of my truck loot. Now I have to put it off a little longer. Ughhh
  • gunga64gunga64 Member Posts: 271
    Bye the way asked the dealer when the 2002 HL comes out he said October. No changes are to be made I think he said.
  • litzingerlitzinger Member Posts: 10
    My wife and I went for a test drive today and the salesperson mentioned that they have stopped production on 2001 HLs. Assuming that's true and there is now a limited supply, how does that affect using the "Fax Attack" method of shopping? What if I'm asking for bids on a model combination that doesn't exist? Will they send me a quote on something close instead?
  • soco2soco2 Member Posts: 9
    Can anyone supply the name/address of someone at Toyota in a decision-making position who might be willing to listen to my pleas for changes? I have two major complaints-- front legroom is skimpy (more like a subcompact car; less room than my Camry sedan; untenable for distance driving), and rear seat will not fold flat; and two minor but not unimportant ones-- interior colors are too light for a utility vehicle, and seat fabric print looks like a dress design from the 40's or 50's (no, I don't want leather).
  • little_pogilittle_pogi Member Posts: 149
    Let's face it. What looks good to another may not to others. the HL is an Asian designed vehicle to fit perfectly that 5'6" Asian model. If you are a 6' guy, then consider those American built SUV that are patterned after a 6' model.
  • abuyer1abuyer1 Member Posts: 31
    Legroom can be improved by having the left footrest removed. A dealer can do that.
  • siasconsetsiasconset Member Posts: 14
    Is there a charcoal air filter that can be added to the vehicle to help keep exhaust outside and odors from entering the cabin. I can't imagine the Lex not having one. I do miss the outside temp display does anyone know of an aftermarket kit that would give you inside and outside temp humidity and barometric pressure readings...?? I'm 6'5 and going to have my left foot rest removed!
  • dardson1dardson1 Member Posts: 696
    WHY???? does Toyota build such ugly vehicles???????? I have a Sienna that I appreciate for it's inner qualities but it is definately plain. Would like to love the new Highlander (where did they get that name? Sounds like something they'd call a European tour bus) but it is so darned homely. Drive around a Toyota lot and name one good-looking car. The Avelon used to be nicely plain is now goofy looking. The Solara gets a "poor but passing" grade for that smiley face grill. The Land Cruiser is fair but uninspiring. The Sequoia is another "poor but passing" model. The Camry comes close to looking good....but they seem to go to some trouble dulling down a fairly attractive body. Their pickup is probably the best looking thing they make. It has an agressive stance and a rather pretty face. Seems to me Toyota goes out of it's way to make plain-jane vehicles.
  • tronsr1tronsr1 Member Posts: 149
    dardson1,
    Evidently there are hundreds of thousands of people that purchase their vehicles for "quality and reliability"As to "looks"... it is all in the mind of the beholder. To each his own.
  • gunga64gunga64 Member Posts: 271
    Acutally when you look at the inside of Toyotas they are nicer looking then most japananse cars. Unlike the American car companys that seem to have great skill at making the outside and inside of their cars look great, their quality suffers dramatically. I mean look at the inside of an acura or honda, neither are great, but reliablity is excellent. The highlander could use some nice looking outside moldings like the Mazda Tribute I agree, maybe a 2nd vender can help in this matter.

    Bye the way got my decisions down to either the Highlander or the Mazda MPV.
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    I have to admit that at first I didn't think my HL looked "rugged" enough (I know, I know...reliability and quality first...). But there are lots of ways you can fix this. Fender flares help, as do aftermarket accessories like side tubes and brush guards. The side tubes I installed on my HL made a world of difference...
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  • dniehusdniehus Member Posts: 83
    Sorry for the delay in responding. I was out of town this weekend without my laptop. I agree with most of what tfuzz said re comparing the Forester and the HL. One thing I'd add is that the Subaru Forester has MUCH better visibility out the rear - important when you're changing lanes. I didn't notice this problem with the HL until after I purchased. Test drives typically just involve right turns. To me rear visibility in the HL is poor at best. Hopefully Toyota will correct this design deficiency.

    Good luck with your purchase.

    Don
  • jblaze13jblaze13 Member Posts: 152
    I agree, Siennas are ugly, but I wouldn't call all Toyotas ugly. They are simply plain, unaggressively styled vehicles. The lack of aggressive styling may be because they want to reach a larger market of consumers. They get away with it by having great quality. The one very good looking vehicle that Toyota has is the 4runner. Like brad 22, I didn't care for the Highlanders looks when I first saw it. I figured the few things I didn't like I could fix with aftermarket stuff.
  • jblaze13jblaze13 Member Posts: 152
    I was shocked to find that my Highlander was fixed within a week of my accident. I guess parts are getting easier to come by.

    Someone asked about chrome wheels for the Highlander few weeks back. There is a site at www.4chromewheels.com
    Which will send you chrome wheels that are exactly like your alloys in exchange for your alloys. The price for the Highlander wheels is $595 for the set of four. I think thats a bit steep for an exchange.
  • jvertiganjvertigan Member Posts: 2
    Well, after 15 days without my new Highlander - the "national" back orderd parts finally arrived and were installed on my Highlander - And the problem that I initially reported no longer exists! :)

    The parts that were replaced were:
    1) Brakes - Master Cylinder
    2) Brakes - Brake Booster

    The total repair bill was $1,400 - which was 100% covered by warranty.

    I have no complaints about the service to my Highlander, it was just frustrating purchasing a new car only to drive it for two weeks before a major repair was required. :| and then be out of it for another two weeks!

    But, now that I have it - I am again happy!

    Jerry Vertigan
  • abuyer1abuyer1 Member Posts: 31
    I am only 5'8", but I don't like the left foot-rest, that limits my leg room. So I had it removed today. It turns out that there are two left foot-rests, one on top of the other. The top one is plastic, and just snaps into the lower one, which is covered with carpeting. I brought my HL to a body shop (not at a dealership), and the manager snapped off the plastic one in a few minutes while I waited. He charged me $24 for the labor---well worth it for me. I did not ask to have the carpeting cut away to get to the lower foot-rest, which might be metal and might need to be sawed away. But just snapping off the plastic one gained me a lot of leg room, so I am not going to bother having the lower one removed. If you try it and don't like it, you always can just snap the plastic one back in place. If you are really tall, you might want to have a body shop estimate the cost of removing the lower foot-rest too. I don't know whether that one also is plastic, or is metal.
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    I've been considering the HL, but am holding back until I look at the 2002 CR-V in September. From what I've read, in the Japanese domestic market the new CR-V will be positioned against the RX 300(called the Harrier), and the Highlander (called the Kluger 5). Reports also say the CR-V will have a more powerful engine, and will be roomy enough to be a real contender. Plus it'll come without Toyota's options game and will be several thousand cheaper. Unlikely to be available with leather though, at least in the first year. Just some food for thought.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    CRV competition for the HL? Right.
  • tfuzztfuzz Member Posts: 93
    There are some factual errors in this article. Looks as if some information from a word processing file from another vehicle got left in. Anyone looking for specific information about the Highlander should not depend on the description and tables in the article, although the general gist of the review is correct.
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    Note that I'm not talking about the current CR-V, which is a 6 year old design and in the RAV4 league. The 2002 CR-V is supposed to be an improvement in refinement and roominess, with a more powerful VTEC engine.

    If you must have a V6, obviously forget the 2002 CR-V. But if you need a roomy, fuel efficient car-based SUV with Honda (or Toyota) reliability, then I think the CR-V would be competition for the HL. It all depends on the intended usage.
  • integraintegra Member Posts: 8
    Thank you very much for your well thought out comments regarding the relative merits of the Highlander and Forester. They are very beneficial as I make a final decision between these 2 fine vehicles.
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