Toyota Highlander

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  • deatricedeatrice Member Posts: 6
    I have recently ordered my 2002 HL. The dealership stated it will take 6 to 8 weeks before I can get it. What is the longest wait time anyone has wait for the arrival of their HL? I think that is a long time.
  • skyrebskyreb Member Posts: 129
    I like the explanation that by design the engine circulates oil before firing. I have always been troubled with engines that immediately fire and idle fast ... I have also, always heard that most wear occurs in the first moments of starting a cold engine.

    Re fuel, I use unleaded regular, and could not been any happier with the performance and economy. Several months ago, someone did the math on .20 cents more per gallon vs increased mileage. I will stick with the lower test fuel until someone offers compelling evidence the high test is best.
    Hally HL'ing to all.
  • svtcobraconvsvtcobraconv Member Posts: 85
    deatrice,

    Don't be discouraged by that wait time. We put in a true factory order in September and have been told to anticipate a 6 month wait. If you only need to wait 6 to 8 weeks, your HL configuration should already be in the pipeline. Cliffy1 might be willing to explain the different "types" of orders with Toyota.
  • notdb2notdb2 Member Posts: 2
    Hello

    Im planning on buying a highlander and its been hard to decide on getting the 4 or 6 cyl engine. The car will will used a commuter and wanted to know if the 4cyl is responsive enough for freeway type of driving (lane changing). Also I live in a hilly area. I had a 89 4runner and the 6 cyl was not great, just sufficient.

    Thanks in advance for any opinions!!
  • svtcobraconvsvtcobraconv Member Posts: 85
    We are getting a 4 cyl HL.

    However, I would suggest the V6 in your case. It will be much better for you when accelerating into freeway traffic, making lane changes, and negotiating hills. I think you would be continually using the extra torque of the V6 to justify the additional cost.
  • hlltdhlltd Member Posts: 61
    If your 89 6 cylinder 4Runner was not great, just sufficient, how do you think the 4 cylinder HL will even be as good?

    Didn't the '89 6 cylinder 4Runner have more HP than the new HLs 4 cylinders 155 HP?

    If you were dissatisfied with the performance of the 6 cylinder 4Runner, how could you be happy with a HL with LESS performance?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    how much did the 4runner weigh vs the highlander and what is the HP ratio between the two?

    The 4 cylinder HL may have a better power/weight ratio than the 6 cyl 4runner.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Certain models in certain regions are going to be difficult to get. If the one you want is just scarce, but is a common configuration, the dealer can "locate" one. This doesn't really mean he is going to pick it up at another dealer (although he may get lucky on this) but rather, he will see what is being shipped to the region and divert one for you. We can see what is in-bound to this country about 6 weeks before they arrive. This is the most efficient way to get one that is not in stock.

    True factory orders are a mess and take 4 to 6 months.

    If a dealer commits to a 6 to 8 week time frame, he is quoting you the worst case for a diverted unit. You will probably have it sooner.
  • hylndr61hylndr61 Member Posts: 51
    Do-it-yourself kits featuring 3M Scotchcal Paint Protection Film are available for the Highlander at http://www.invinca-shield.com These kits have custom pre-cut patterns designed to protect as little or as much of the front end as you desire. Their web site has a list of distributors for those who desire professional application.
  • autoreporterautoreporter Member Posts: 8
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  • jzgr8jzgr8 Member Posts: 2
    Has anyone experienced traction problems with their Highlander on snow-covered roads? I am contemplating the purchase of a new, 6cyl, AWD Highlander. I read an article in one of the automotive magazines (can't remember which one unfortunately) in which the reviewer's AWD test Highlander had a great deal of trouble climbing to the top of a steep, snow-packed road while all the other models of SUVs tested managed to climb the hill with no problems. As I live in Utah and spend a good five months of the year driving on snowy roads, this is a concern. Any input based on actual driving experience would be greatly appreciated -- thanks!
  • aliminalimin Member Posts: 80
    Deatrice -

    We factory ordered ours as a 2001 on May 29; received a 2002 on October 5. 130 days. IMO, well worth the wait to get exactly what we wanted. Of course, I was like a kid at Christmas the longer it took...the dealer was nice enough to keep me posted - when it was accepted by Toyota, when it was scheduled to be built, when it arrived in port, etc. Just hang in there! Happy HoLidays...

    alimin - bluestone, non-ltd., v6, 4wd.
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    Cliffy1 is a knowledgable, honest and straight forward contributor to this forum. We appreciate him very much!!! But I have to disagree on part of your statement from today on factory orders:

    "True factory orders are a mess and take 4 to 6 months."

    My factory order was anything BUT a mess. I e-mailed dealerships and within a few days got a very good price. I was told up front, before I ordered, that I could order ANY type of Highlander but the wait time would be 4 months. While waiting, I was kept informed by the dealer and used the 4 months to save cash and sell my old vehicle at a good price. My Highlander arrived, just as promised, in a little over 4 months, exactly as I wanted.....and I have never seen a V6 AWD with such few options (in many months of looking), and it made the price great. The factory order requires some patience, but the time seems to go fast, and you can get a Highlander exactly as you want it.
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Hi Folks- Did any of you consider the VW Passat Wagon before you purchased your Toyota Highlander? If so, perhaps you can offer some feedback in this new Town Hall (Station Wagons) discussion: VW Passat or Toyota Highlander. Thanks for your participation. ;-)

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  • maxintoshmaxintosh Member Posts: 39
    What review was that? All the reviews that I've seen said the Highlander does just fine in the snow... in a recent New England coating of snow and ice, it felt very surefooted.

    Here's one from New Car Test Drive:

    "Then our touring test began, with multi-lane highways and lesser roads. After determining that dry pavement was a snap for the Highlander whether on gradual climbing curves or twisty descending esses we went searching for more challenge to stretch the willing beastie. We found some sloppy snow melt, a few muddy ruts, icy patches on shadowed curves and even a road meandering upward that was deep with unplowed snow. The Highlander, uncomplaining, dealt with the tasks like an expert speller in the early stages of a championship bee. As it cut upward through eight inches of newly fallen snow like a snowplow on a rescue mission I again startled my companion: "Hey, I like this Highlander, a LOT!" "

    The Boston Globe says:
    "The result is a soft but assuring highway ride — whisper quiet by the way — with only a small but safely absorbed sense of body roll. In one of the late New England snowstorms we had, it behaved fine, although as seems to be the case with Toyota's traction control systems, you have to be patient and let the system do the work."

    MotorTrend:
    "While driving on snow-covered mountain roads above Santa Fe, the Highlander felt surefooted and balanced, with the electronics saving the day when adventurous driving met up with poor traction"

    MSN CarPoint:
    "In the test Highlander, the system worked valiantly to keep the wheels moving in a half foot of snow when I ventured out of the tire tracks on a snowy, dirt road. But note that compared with the 4Runner, the Highlander doesn't have an extra-low gear for rugged off-roading. "

    SUV.com:
    "More fun, however, is when I motor to the mountains above the city in the Highlander's all-wheel-drive version, ascending into the evergreen-forested high country, where cross-country skiers and outdoor enthusiasts play in this new-fallen white stuff. The slush and snow on the roadways is deeper now, and hairpin turns abound, but the Highlander is never unsettled. "
  • paulekpaulek Member Posts: 16
    If you are Toyota owner, the choice is a no brainer.. The Highlander is the evolution of the Camry station wagon . VW or Toyato quality , I' ll take Toyota anyday....
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The RX300/HL uses three open differentials and a rubber band (very lightly pre-loaded VC) to the rear driveline. Any one wheel off the ground with little or no traction and you're STUCK!

    Have a serious look at the ML320 before you leap, it has a REAL 4WD system, and I don't mean low range or off-road use, just common everyday snow and ice in the Cascades.
  • shl72953shl72953 Member Posts: 53
    I had a distributor install the 3M film on all forward facing surfaces and am very pleased with the results. The distributor, however, said he would never install another kit on the HL until invinca-shield did major revisions to the individual pieces. He figured the labor costs negated any profit and caused tremendous frustration.
  • maxintoshmaxintosh Member Posts: 39
    Yes, BUT...

    First of all, Toyota's system is practically identicle to Subaru and Volvo's systems.

    Secondly, I believe that this is the exact reason Toyota offers a limited slip/trac. On AWD models, Trac will detect wheel spin and brake the wheel that's spinning too fast. That will force power to other wheels.

    It's unlikely that you'll get the Highlander stuck in any terrain it was designed to travel in, including deep snow. And AWD/VSC makes for a more stable ride in bad weather than simply 4WD. Again, 4WD and AWD will do about as much as the leather seats when you're slipping around a corner without keeping your foot on the gas. VSC is very effective at preventing you from sliding right off the road, especially if you're coasting or breaking when you hit an icy patch.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Thanks for the kind words. Let me modify what I said. From a DEALER'S perspective, factory orders are a mess. We hate them. I'm glad things worked out for you, but in 9 out of 10 cases, customer's loose patience 2 months into the process and modify their request to something that is readily available. The other problem is that we receive NO communication with the factory until the car is on the way. We are not given a production date and this makes customers nervous that they will never get their car.

    I've done them, but from my perspective, they are still a mess.
  • impeimpe Member Posts: 33
    Reference - Cliffy's post #4273.

    I put in a factory order sometime last March and after 2 months I got tired of waiting, (just like Cliffy said).

    I got on the Internet and was able to get into the Southeast regional inventory where I found a large number of HLs that were either in the port of Jacksonville or, I assume, on the boat. I plowed through the list for Black, V6, Limited, Moonroof etc. I found 10 vehicles that I could live with, wrote down the partial VIN number of 6 or so digits that identify each vehicle, called my dealer, gave them the VIN for the 10 vehicles and asked them to get me one of them. They were able to get one that had not yet gotten to the port, which gave me the additional advantage of deleting some port installed options, like the "ToyoGard", (and adding one that I did want - the step bars). I assume this was what is called a re-direct.

    I love the HL - just gets better all the time. I will soon post my average gas mileage for the last 5000 or 6000 miles.

    To Cliffy - thanks for all your good info over all these many posts in this forum.

    Impe (and The Lovely Miss Linda)
  • ehl3ehl3 Member Posts: 30
    I also concur with alimin and llofgren on the factory orders - we ordered a 2001 over Memorial day weekend; the order was placed 5/29 was received the dealer 10/3 and picked up 10/6 as a 2002 model, which I'm told added about two weeks to the process.

    No complaints, other than I should have ordered the *&^% rear spoiler. Well worth the wait to not have to pay for options I didn't need and to get the mix I wanted. That alone was worth the wait financially. They seem to be able to build ANYTHING, as well, given my eclectic mix of requests (V6, 2wd, leather, tow-prep, side bars, running lamps, No power seats, No Toyoguard, No tinted windows, Stock steel wheels). Out of perhaps a hundred I looked at in SoFla, I saw none without tinted windows (locally installed titanium film is far more effective and less expensive), one with steel wheels, which look very similar to the $1000 alloys, and one with manual seats (amazing that they have knobs that do the same adjustments - hell I neve move it again anyway...) and leather is impossible to get without a half a dozen other options I didn't want.

    Now, if I can just figure out how to get a rear spoiler installed after the fact...Any ideas?
  • cattmancattman Member Posts: 31
    So how the heck do you find the "Regional Inventory" on the net?
  • tommyg12tommyg12 Member Posts: 158
    This is my first Toyota and even my dealer doesn't have a clue. There's not much information on the web site either. So any explanation would be appreciated.

    As far as custom ordering, I ordered a new Camaro SS in '97 (took 6 weeks)and a Honda S2000 (7 weeks) but my point is that those dealers encouraged ordering. It seems like I remember reading about Honda and VW eventually taking orders on their web site and being able to fill the orders within five weeks. My town has the BMW Z3 and X5 plant. You can place an order and be invited to watch the assembly process. Four to five months to build a car seems awfully long.
  • mls2001mls2001 Member Posts: 1
    In response to message 4252 posted by ci2 concerning child seats...we were advised that the middle seat of the Highlander was not the best place as it was very difficult to install safely there. We had our Britax Roundabout installed by the local police department and it's as solid as can be. I would strongly urge others to do the same as he stated that over 95% are installed incorrectly.
  • deatricedeatrice Member Posts: 6
    I think I started this discussion on factory orders and I think I have solved my problem on the 4 to 6 weeks waiting period. In reference to Impe (post#4274) he was right about the Southeast. I live in the Southeast and talked to my dealer on today and he stated that he has found a HL that will suit by order on a boat headed to the port of Florida. Instead of 4 to 6 weeks my HL will arrive in about 2 to 3 weeks.
    Thank you Cliffy for the insight on the factory orders. I was willing to wait the 4 to 6 weeks, but now I may be Highlanding by the New Year......
  • impeimpe Member Posts: 33
    For CATTMAN at post 4276; Not all dealer websites allow you to look at the whole SE Regional inventory - you have to find one that does.

    I used billpenneytoyota.com in Huntsville AL just tonight - here is how you do it:

    Log on to the dealer site;

    click on "New Inventory";

    Click on "Highlander";

    Choose "Search Inventory";

    next screen will show a table of the dealer's current HLs in stock;

    above that table there is a line (in blue), that says "Bill Penney Toyota has access to xxx additional vehicles of this type...";

    click on that line to see the whole SE regional inventory (as of 12/12/2001 at 11:00 PM there were 420 vehicles on the list);

    look at the table to find the vehicles that are close to what you want;

    in the "model" column of the table click the model (in blue) to bring up the info on that individual vehicle - this will bring up the description, (options etc) and that vehicle's 6 digit VIN number;

    use BACK to get back to the inventory list to look for additional vehicles;

    Write down the 6 digit vehicle number of the vehicle(s) and see if your dealer can get one of them for you.

    Hope this helps.
  • rfhourfhou Member Posts: 47
    Has any one experienced a steering wheel thump? When accelerating from a dead stop or, sometimes when braking, I can hear and feel a small thump in the steering wheel.
  • notdb2notdb2 Member Posts: 2
    Hi

    I wanted to check if HL owners with the 4cyl are happy or wished the had gotten the 6cyl.

    Thanks in advance for any replies.
  • impeimpe Member Posts: 33
    For those of you who are considering a new HL, I thought you might be interested in V6 gas mileage measured over a long time period.

    My 2001 V6 Limited 2wd currently has 12,450 miles on the odo. Over the last 7025 miles, my average MPG is 23.47.

    I live in the north Georgia mountains which consist mostly of rolling hills. 80% of my driving is at Hwy speeds of 65 to 75 mph, (down to Atlanta and back); 2% is in non-rush hour Atlanta, and the other 18% is on Georgia back roads at an average of about 40 mph.

    I try to maintain the tires at 30 psi, I use 5W/30 oil changed at approx. 5000 mile intervals, and I run only regular, (87 octane) gas.

    My hotrod days are over - my driving style is semi-old folks with gentle acceleration and long of-the-gas stops; although I will occasionally pick on a PT Cruiser at a stop light.

    The point of all this is that I am very happy with the HL gas mileage especially when I compare it to other brands of compareable SUVs.

    For those contemplating an HL, my opinion is that you will be very pleased with the vehicle.
  • stainlesswondestainlesswonde Member Posts: 2
    Just looking for some verification on the TDA for the San Francisco Bay area.

    I've received some quotes from dealers from Sacramento to Monterey. 2 dealers have stated TDA at ~$540. This is the highest I've seen on the boards. Can any of you Norcalers verify this price? I realize everything in this area is inflated so it wouldn't be surprising. Either that or they surf edmunds, too. Also checking the "what did you pay?" board.

    TIA,
    SW
  • cattmancattman Member Posts: 31
    Hey, thanks for the info... I'm actually in the west, so I'll try some dealer sites to get to the Western regional inventory... I appreciate the help...
  • katok1katok1 Member Posts: 3
    I'm thinking of installing a WAAG grill protector on my 2001 highlander.
    The instructions state to remove the splash pan to get at the cross members. The bolts are threaded to existing holes.
    Does anyone know the longterm effects of removing the splash pan, and if there would be any other problems associated with this installation?
  • kpt_krunchkpt_krunch Member Posts: 21
    I too noticed (felt more than heard) a Steering wheel thump. It occured when I did a U-Turn in my Highlander. Not only did it thump, it kicked my Steering wheel back a bit. I thought I hit something on the road (A block of ice from a car or something. I will try it again and see if same occurs, and I'll let you know the result.
  • kpt_krunchkpt_krunch Member Posts: 21
    Well, good news, it must have been ice. I did a few U-turns, both right and left, and no thumps or problems. I had also noticed a rattling in the back, thought it might be my rear spoiler I had installed (after reading the posts on all the HL sites here) but as per my first impressions, it was just the license plate.

    Last but certainly not least, I had to try the Window thing. I have never in my life been in car or truck where, with the windows rolled down ALL the way, it wasn't very loud. Anyone ever wonder why most vehicles rear windows only roll down half way! Now you know!! As for this problem, who cares. I don't normally drive with my windows rolled down at all, front or rear - that's why they invented Air Conditioning. If you don't want Air, just use your vents without Air.

    I read here that one guy wants to take his HL back, has a Ford Explorer (91) which doesn't make the noise. Well, I'm not too familiar with the '91 Explorer, but I do believe the windows don't roll down all the way in the back. If they don't, I suggest he take the windows out and drive 60 mph, bet you hear a noise.

    Now, I realize that this noise (it's not really a noise by the way, as someone else posted, it is a change in air pressure that is effecting your ears, imitating a noise) is the worst I have ever experienced in a vehicle - but you know what, if you only roll the rear windows down a third of the way, there is hardly any 'noise' at all. I know, I just did it at about 70 mph.

    Good Luck
  • xcarnutxcarnut Member Posts: 81
    The problem can be alleviated if front windows are opened a bit to equalize the pressure and wind buffeting. Or if equipped with moonroof open that.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    May have been VSC when you hit an ice patch.
  • wcpwcp Member Posts: 40
    If it was VSC you should hear the beeping alarm at the same time.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The TDA fee in Northern Ca is the highest in the nation at 2.3% of base invoice. Southern CA is one of the lowest at 1.5% but capped at $250.
  • maxintoshmaxintosh Member Posts: 39
    "Anyone ever wonder why most vehicles rear windows only roll down half way! Now you know!!"

    Actually, it used to be on some cars because of the shape of the rear door. Nowadays, even large rear doors do it because it's a child safety standard. It makes it harder for little kids to crawl out of the window of a moving car.

    "If it was VSC you should hear the beeping alarm at the same time. "

    Only if it was a serious correction. VSC activates all the time to make little corrections. There's a threshold before VSC will warn the driver that they're driving dangerously for the conditions. You'll hear a grinding sound from a couple of corners of the car when VSC makes a moderate to severe correction; it's ABS pumping the wheels.
  • jhswartzjhswartz Member Posts: 3
    Lets get real. The noise from the rear windows being down at 45 MPH+ is horrible. Absolutely, unacceptably, horribly, gives me a headache in 60 seconds loud.

    NO other car I've ever owned has been this loud with a pounding resonance noise like the Highlander. Sure you get noise, but 1/10 of what the Highlander has.

    That being said, I'm still very happy with the car. I hardly ever drive with my windows down so it doesn't affect me at all.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Part of the reason this wind pressure noise is so annoying in the Rx and the HL is becuase there is very little "outflow" path provided. The Chrysler T&C and the ML series have driver operated rear vent windows that can be "cracked" slightly to prevent these "pressure waves".
  • hlltdhlltd Member Posts: 61
    "The TDA fee in Northern Ca is the highest in the nation at 2.3% of base invoice. Southern CA is one of the lowest at 1.5% but capped at $250."

    'Tain't so McGee.

    The dealers are charging $300 here, at least in my general area. I've got an invoice from a dealer in Pasadena that has that amount clearly listed.
  • hlltdhlltd Member Posts: 61
    That's one of the best explanations I've heard. Makes sense to me.

    Reminds me of the story about the guy who went to the doctor complaining about a pain that only happened when he did "this." The doctor asked him why he did "this" if it hurt.

    Why do people continue to do this?

    Think it hurts at 40 mph? Try it at 80 mph, and I promise you you'll not do it again.

    And what parent would allow their child to hang out of an open window?
  • jtzimjtzim Member Posts: 3
    We've had a ton of snow over the last couple of weeks here in central British Columbia, with temperatures ranging from 0°C to -20°C (32 to -4 F), so snow conditions have been about as extreme as one might expect.

    My V6 (unlimited) HL has performed flawlessly in these conditions. In fact, I can hardly tell the difference when driving in thick snow as when on pavement. I did trade in the stock Goodyear tires with Michelin Cross Terrains back in the spring, which might explain part of the great performance I've seen.

    Incidentally, I've had several occasions to use the ABS system, which sounds awful when applied but seems to work well too.
  • hlltdhlltd Member Posts: 61
    Ted,

    Is your HL equipped with 4WD?

    The only time our FWD HL would see snow might be on the occasional trip away from sunny SoCal where it happens to be rather cold and rainy today.

    When this happens, the interstate passes in and out of this area sometimes receive a light dusting, but nothing like the snowfall in your area.

    Once in awhile, we go up into the mountains, and I was wondering IF the Michelins would be better than the GY gumballs?
  • kpt_krunchkpt_krunch Member Posts: 21
    I only have the base V6 AWD, I did not want to spend the extra 8 grand for the VSC and Trac. Control, Leather, moon roof, etc. I'm sure it was clump of ice I didn't notice (it was at night) but I am keeping an eye on it.

    Another thing I have noticed is a 'tick' coming from the engine. I don't recall hearing this 'tick' when I test drove the HL (I did not buy the vehicle I test drove) and was wondering if this was normal or not.

    Thanks
  • kpt_krunchkpt_krunch Member Posts: 21
    Has anyone outfitted their new HL with the new Nokian WR All Weather tires? Note the 'all weather', not 'all season'. These tires have the snow symbol on them, that is they are rated as Winter tires, yet they have an 80,000 km warranty and can be driven in the summer as well.

    If so, how would you rate them?
  • dmoyerdmoyer Member Posts: 27
    Dealers that sell both have the RX300 on the lot, and I'm wonder that for those of us waiting for the HL, if with the end of year and a little encouragement should attempt to strike a deal if the only difference is say $2K or $2.5K.
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    The tick has been discussed here before. See posts #4231, etc. tommyg12 was told it was a solenoid. I had mine in to my dealer this last week and was told it was a (fuel) injector pulse. Whatever it is, everyone seems to agree that it is normal and only noticeable because of the extreme quietness of the vehicle.
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