Toyota Highlander

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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    ALL "wind" intruments (musical) are based on the principle you have encountered, The noise is due to the air "pressure wave", a "standing" wave created by the "pressure" (due to your forward motion)entering the vehicle and then being "reflected" back forward becuase there is no sufficient EXIT. The frequency of the "throbbing" noise is a function of the volume downstream of the air entry point, just like in a childs home made willow or cane whistle.

    ALL vehicles, at speed, (faster=louder) with a significant closed "volume" behind any open windows will exhibit this trait.

    Some vehicles, the Chrysler T&C and the X5 for instance have driver controled rear air exit "wings, vents" which alleviate this problem.

    In my 68 and 75 Ford stations wagons I could lower the rear tailgate window to eliminate the effect.

    What you are experiencing in your T/L vehicle is likely much more pronounced than in other vehicles of this type, especially US or European, since T/L's HVAC supplier, NipponDenso, requires that exit airflow be kept TO AN ABSOLUTE MINIMUM in order for the system they supply to be fully and completely functional.

    Minimum exit airflow (keep the refrigerator door closed) substantially increases the efficiency and effectiveness of the A/C cooling and heating. For heating alone, no "grand" efficiencies are really needed here except with small liter highly efficient engines with little or no "waste heat". According to Denso a very desireable side effect is less noise due to substantially lower blower speeds. Of course what they do not bother to tell you is that LOW BLOWER SPEEDS are absolutely required, integral, to proper operation of their A/C operation overall, but most especially with regarding adequate atmospheric dehumidification capabilities.

    Denso supplied systems use the A/C's dehumidification capabilities, EXCLUSIVELY, to keep the cabin atmosphere's relative humidity far removed from the dewpoint of potentially very cold window and windshield interior surfaces.

    If you live in the southern states and incur musty, horrid, mold and mildew smells coming form your A/C outlet vents, or in the northern states and incur spontaneous windshield or window fogging in cooler weather, this is primarily the result of the uniqueness ("sealed" cabin, extremely complex and dense A/C evaporator, "SPONGE") of Denso's automotive HVAC design.
  • mcurtin7mcurtin7 Member Posts: 5
    Hello,

    I replaced the component speakers in the Highlander with Focal Polyglass 165V's. What a difference!! I now can hear the highs. The supplied tweeter in the Highlander barely makes a sound- try covering it with your hand when listening to music-there is no difference in the sound! Anyway, to remove the door panels, remove two screws- one is at the base of the door handle/latch, while the other is inside the armrest. You have to remove the handle in the armrest to get at it (gently pry it out with flathead screwdriver). Next, remove the doorlock/powerwindow panel, again by gently prying it up and unhook the wiring harness. Next, pry off the clip at the base of the power mirror. The next part is the trickiest- the cup that is beneath the door handle/latch needs to be removed. Insert a small flathead screwdriver into the area where the door latch meets the cup. You will have to play with it to get the cup to pop out. Do this for both the top and the bottom of the latch (Took me awhile to figure this one out!). Finally, pop the panel off, starting at the bottom (its now attached by just internal door clips). I have performed this many times due to numerous modifications- I feel like a pro (I wish!!!). Word of advice- cover all holes in the door to separate the front of the speaker from its back- this improves sound quality significantly. I used aluminum foil tape and removed the plastic sheet covering the very large openings in the door. Make it as air-tight as possible (DO NOT COVERUP THE DRAINAGE HOLES HOWEVER).

    I had to make adapters for my speakers using 3/4" MDF wood (I actually cut out 2 circles and glued them together to make the adapters. Simply removing the original speakers and putting in the new ones results in the speakers being too far away from the speaker grill. This method allows you to use just about any speaker you want. I will be installing an amp this weekend- I will post an update.

    Hope this helps!!
  • jmarousejmarouse Member Posts: 18
    Mike,
    Thanks for the info. Is your HL a Limited ? Is there a diff in speakers from Lmtd to std ?

    Are you keeping your head-unit or replacing.

    John
  • mcurtin7mcurtin7 Member Posts: 5
    I do not have the Limited. I believe the Limited has JBL speakers while the "unLimited" has Pioneer components. I will be replacing the headunit (I purchased the Nakamichi CD-40z) and I am waiting for American International to release the installation kit designed for the Highlander. I phoned them and they indicated that it should be ready sometime next week (but I have heard that on more than one occasion). Perhaps if others contact them, this will put a fire underneath them. Check out there website- http://www.aius.net/
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Just how old are you and have you had your hearing checked recently. If you want to check the performance of your tweeters you will most likely have to disconnect the other speakers and substitute load resisters. Only then would you really be able to distinguish the output of the tweeters vs the overall aggragate speaker output.

    Or, if you have the ability, turn the bass and mid-range all the way down and the volume all the way up, then listen for the tweeter's sound output.
  • jwfjwfjwfjwf Member Posts: 21
    Hang it up, mcurtin7, 'cause wwgod has you locked on in his highbeams.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    wwgod has you locked on in his highbeams.

    It's a good thing we know you are kidding because personal attacks are seriously frowned upon here! :-)

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  • kaydiddykaydiddy Member Posts: 1
    My wife wants to purchase a new Highlander, but now is saying we should wait until the 2003's come out in case there are major changes. Does anyone know of changes? Is there a website where I can view any changes Toyota has planned for the HL?
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    I just wanted to share my experience with my 2002 V6 AWD HL (unlimited, no VSC) recently.
    Here in Central Minnesota we just got a pretty good dumping of snow along with ice, cold and wind. I drove home from Minneapolis last night at the height of the storm. There was ice, packed snow and some drifts on the freeway. Most 18 wheelers were off the road and I later heard the plows had been pulled. The Hughlander performed amazingly well. It never hesitated or wavered and always felt secure. Most folks were doing 40 mph and struggling. I did 50 and even 60 without any problems. I was passed by one rig (semi) but otherwise I passed everything else. This vehicle is amazing in bad conditions. Today, I took it out onto some unplowed parking lots and roads. Drifts 12" to 18", continuous. The Highlander went right through (AWD and ground clearance make a big difference). The functionality and real world ability of this vehicle to get through deep snow and bad road conditons is superior, IMO.
  • mcurtin7mcurtin7 Member Posts: 5
    My hearing is just fine. You needn't act like an [non-permissible content removed]! I simply base the above statement on the fact that when I covered either tweeter up (just one, mind you) from the original equipment the sound did not change one bit. The same thing occurred when I actually disconnected the tweeters. It sounds like the midrange driver is trying to play the entire spectrum-very poorly I might add. However, with the Focals installed, the difference is very noticeable (both with just the midranges connected and when using just the hand to cover one of the tweeters. Perhaps, you need your ears checked- Let me know if you need a referral
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I'm 61 and I definitely have a "high end" hearing problem.

    Do you know that in many cases your mind will fill in the "blanks" for what your ear doesn't actually hear?

    Run an audio spectrum analysis on a good classical music selection, or a Boston Pops presentation. Your will discover that the actual musical content for which you need especially good tweeters is almost non-existant.

    The real challenge for audio system "presentation" engineers is at the low end and in the mid-range.

    I am not saying that the high end content isn't important in the aggregate, it certainly is, but those tweeters in the HL that you repalced were likely more than adequate for the task.

    The major shortcoming of most automotive audio presentation systems is almost always the speakers. Beancounters and engineers get together and discover they have something in common, eliminating the weight, and cost, of speakers with exceptionally good (heavy) magnets.

    Notice that doesn't fit the desciption of tweeters, so most manuafcturers supply tweeters that are more than adequate for the job.

    I wasn't trying to be an [non-permissible content removed], but I was trying to be factual, and maybe I overdid it a bit, sorry.
  • robert_carobert_ca Member Posts: 34
    Glad to hear the HL performed well in such treacherous conditions. I purchased my V6 AWD HL (unlimited, no VSC) in mid-January and have not been able to really test its snow capability so far due to the fact that there has not been much of a winter here in Ottawa, Ontario. It has been unusually mild with no major snowstorms to speak of and I am located in a snow belt area. In Canada, Goodyear Integrity all season tires are standard on HLs and I have found them to be slippery when stopping on ice and in return the ABS brakes get quite a workout.

    What make and type of tires are on your Highlander?
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    Hey Robert, we also have had a slow snow season but there was a dumping in December of 11" and I was also up north a month ago with deep snow. In all those conditions and again, yesterday, the HL performed flawlessly with traction and ability to get through conditions that were somewhat unnerving. I am simply in awe of this vehicle after my trip home on Friday night in conditions that left most others grounded.
    My tires are the Bridgestone Duelers. No problems so far! Hope you get some snow soon!
  • adchopadchop Member Posts: 8
    I'm shopping for a 02 in the Minneapolis area. There seems to be a lot of gray market Canadians around. Where did you get yours and would you buy there again?
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    See my post #278 in the Toyota Highlander Owner's Club section "How Much Did You Pay." Basically, it was $500 over invoice plus $250 TDA. I got mine At Maplewood Toyota...Ross M. is the internet sales guy there. Very reputable. My e-mail is listed on my profile here. If you want more details write me.
  • scwt47scwt47 Member Posts: 13
    xcarnut, here is a source for hardcopy road and trail maps of Western US. Sorry if you are not on this side of the Rockies, but this may be of use to other HL owners in any case.

    The maps are highly detailed and include GPS grids and Forest Service trail numbers.
    www.benchmarkmaps.com is the webpage for the mapmaker.
    So far they have CA, OR, WA, AZ, NV, and UT, perhaps others. Mapbook is in same large format as Rand McNalley Road Atlas, but these maps are far superior. Recent review info follows:...the Washington Road & Recreation Atlas...is a very attractive publication, featuring award-winning cartography.   The 9-page "Introduction" includes a transcontinental map of US Highways, a detailed regional map of the Northwest, followed by a overall map of Washington.  Next comes a series of 10 "Recreational Maps"...this set features information on parks, campgrounds and outdoor recreation activities.  The so-called Landscape Maps form the main body of the atlas.  This series of 40 maps drawn at a scale of about 4 miles to the inch, featuring precise, shaded relief and spot elevations.  The relief seems to come alive, giving the user an accurate feel for the lay of the land.  Map margins include detailed longitude and latitude coordinates for GPS calculations...also differentiate seven types of road classifications, ranging from limited access, to unpaved, and 4WD roads.  Every city, town, village, hamlet and place name is shown - most with their spot elevations. ~ AAA Washington T.S. NewsLine.  January 4, 2000

    Happy trails.
  • lott42lott42 Member Posts: 13
    In case this helps others. Here is what we paid for a 2002 Limited HL. We paid 30,300(Before Taxes+Lic.). It is the "Std"(sunroof, upgraded stereo, towing stuff, etc.) plus leather as an added feature. I don't necessarily think I got the best deal but I found it was very difficult to get the Exact car that I wanted(color-Ext and Int,plus the Limited...), so we bought it. I live in So. Cal near San Bernardino so if anybody needs help finding a decent dealer, I may be able to help(I realize though its all subjective). Even though I didn't buy from them, Kathy at "Gosch" Toyota in Hemet seemed like the most honest and straight shooter amongst them all.

    Hope this help, Larry
  • osoriobosoriob Member Posts: 44
    Can anyone share their experiences replacing the original standard CD/Radio Head unit on the 2001HL

    I want to replace it with a PIONEER (double din) cd/radio unit, my main concern right now is the connectors in the back,is there a retrofit kit in the market that I can buy? if one was needed during the install?
    I will appreciate all comments on this subject...
    I was able to live with the old unit for a year,not more... but if I'm going to keep the HL for a decade I might as well replace the cheap radio that I got from TOYOTA.

    happy HL/ing
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    Someone earlier asked if any changes were coming on the 03 HL's. I am at the point of ordering one from Japan due to being overly picky about what I want. I am willing to wait 4 months. If I wait a little longer, I could be going for an '03. DOES anyone know of any changes expected next year? Usually Toyota doesn't make any "major" changes until the 4th year on the bodies....and may add an option or two, or colors. Since the HL came out as an 01, that would mean no physical changes until 04.
    (My experience was with Camry's = 97-99 same body, 2000-01 changed front and back a little), '02 all new. Thanks!
  • MULAWYERMULAWYER Member Posts: 24
    I bought a new HL (green, V6, AWD, non-limited, towing, non-vsc) and have 1000 miles on it. Thus far I love it! Coming from an 01 RAV4 here are some thoughts:

    The V6 is great. 18-19 mpg in mixed driving (I was only getting 22mpg in the RAV!) means I'm a happy camper. I have not noticed the clicking yet, knock on wood!

    The seats are among the most comfortable toyota offers (I also owned a 99 camry, and my parents have had numerous toyotas as well). The two hour trip to Green Bay left me wanting more (I was sore when I did it in the camry).

    Cargo room is great! Much better than the RAV4, something that my growing family required!

    I've had one opportunity to test the HL in snow. The AWD worked great, and the SNOW button is handy! I did notice that the HL did have a tendency to slide a bit more than my RaV4 did, but that is more of a function of the tires than the vehicle as the HL tires are definitely more all-season than the ones on my RAV. Even so, the HL handled the snow with ease!

    The standard radio is ok. It is not as bad as I was expecting from the post here, and it is FAR better than the one in the RAV4. But, it could be better. Although the "hidden" middle tone control (press and hold the tone button until it beeps, then cycle through to the new option) does work in the 02 HL, and improves the sound noticeably. Now if I could only figure out a way to make it permanent so that I don't have to keep doing it every time I forget to turn off the radio before I turn off the HL!

    In all, I would highly recommend it to anyone considering one!
  • 1strider1strider Member Posts: 9
    i have noticed the same ticking noise. an occasional annoyance. unfortunately, the stereo system is a little weak so at low volume, those things are noticeable. i had a similar concern with our new voyager in '97. the trans was very loud when shifting into drive or reverse. in fact, after leaving the dealership i 1st noticed the noise and turned right around to ask about it. the dealer laughed and said probably half the new buyers do the same .
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    I have been following your decision re:the HL. I think a special order may be the way to go for you. What exactly (on the Highlander), are you thinking of ordering? Good luck....if you have any questions on the process, let me know. I think the chance of any significant re-design for 2003 is low. Remember, the 2002 is the first full year of the HL. The 2001 came out in Jan, '01 well after most of the '01 class was run out.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    After much discussion with dealers who say no way that you can get a FWD only with VSC (VD), I found out you can by ordering it. Talked to a Toy Rep. So, I will.
    V6-FWD, TO, Conv.Pkg., UZ-V5 Alarm/Keyless, etc., Rear Spoiler, Side air-bags, privacy glass, roof-rack. I'll add hitch-insert after-market.
    PS: Tired of MN. dealers shoving AWD units down my throat because that's what they get in MN....land of snow you betcha! Shooting for $300-500 over invoice and should get it....in 4 months, no big deal.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    Sorry to hog this thread with another question.
    Early on I was wrestling about getting the 4 banger (very adequate and $1600 less) vs. getting the V6 (more power, etc.). Does anyone whose had a v6 HL for a length of time have problems using 87 Octane? I know they state you can use regular unleaded, but has anyone experienced poor(er) performance while using it vs. 90 and above?
    I saw someone post over on the Camry thread about v6's need for premium in that vehicle to run efficiently. If you must use 90+ Octane, that just adds more price to this vehicle vs. the 4 banger. I'm all ears now before moving forward.... PS: How has the mpg been affected by using either on the v6?

    Lastly: If ordering from Japan; is there a possibility you can get the 6cd upgrade unit vs. the std unit that comes with the lower model?
    Someone stated over on the Camry thread that THEY ordered the upgrade on that vehicle from the factory and were able to get it....
    Thanks a bunch!
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    Tccmn - No apology needed...you are not hogging the thread. And, besides, we would not have much of a Town Hall here if there were not a number of good questions, answers and information sharing.

    To answer your question "Does anyone whose had a v6 HL for a length of time have problems using 87 Octane?" - I have had no problems using 87 in my 2001 FWD V-6. I have had it since June and have a bit over 13,500 miles on it. As for the miles per gallon difference between lower and higher octane, I cannot help you there...perhaps someone else can? By the way, in mixed highway/street driving I average about 20 - 21 MPG, although I do more highway than street driving.

    Finally, you didn't ask this, but I initially was interested in a 4 instead of a V-6; of course I can't speak about a 4, but I am very happy with my V-6.
  • xcarnutxcarnut Member Posts: 81
    Hey thanks for the info. I am in the western half of US in NorCal. I'll check it out and post after I go on a trip.
  • pnajpnaj Member Posts: 7
    To hylandr61. I saw your pictures of your Hylander with the fender flairs. I thought it looked great. I would like to know if you did anything with the wheels and tires. Your pictures look like the original wheels were use. Is there to much overhang for the standard wheels or does it look natural..Thanks..

    Also for those who have a problem with chips on the front bumper,hood and fenders 3M supplies
    a product call Protection Plus Film which is applied by a professional (Scratch & Dent) around Mass. This film is a stick on which prevents stone chips. I got a price of $270.00 For the bumper and $240.00 for the hood,fenders and mirrors.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    I also use the 87 octane gas on my V6 with no problems. I've been getting 21-22 mpg with each tank and I have considered running a tank of higher octane to see if it would improve my mileage any. I've had my HL since late August and I've only put 6k miles on it.

    I also drove the 4 cyl but my vacation plans involve trips over/through the mountains and for the 2 mpg difference I figured it wasn't worth the savings to worry about not having enough steam to get up the passes.

    My 90 Camry 4cyl would occasionally ping when I would be running the air during the summer so I wasn't sure I wouldn't be looking at the higher octane for either the 4 or the 6. I've been pleasantly surprised. I don't see other SUVs filling up with 87 octane.
    happy HLing! ;-)
  • timnguyen9timnguyen9 Member Posts: 6
    Let me first say that I do not own a Highlander, but went with the 02 Explorer. We did test drive and the Highlander was very nice, but chose the bigger size Explorer.

    What I wanted to know from the Highlander owners is do the daytime running lights run on the low beam bulb, high beam bulb, or another bulb. My Explorer has a separate low beam lens and a smaller high beam lens just to the inside of the low beam. I believe the Highlander has the same setup. I would like to install the DRL feature on my Explorer and would like to get some info on the setup and operation of this feature. I chose this Highlander forum because the lens assembly on the Highlander seems similar to the Explorer. The Highlanders I've seen with DRLs run on the inside smaller lens. Is this the High beam?

    Thanks.
  • wcpwcp Member Posts: 40
    HL uses reduced power of the highbeam for DRL.
    My guess of the reason for this setup is that the HL borrowed the headlights from the Lexus RX300. The RX300 has HID for its lowbeam. Therefore the DRL uses the highbeam, but with reduced power.
  • timnguyen9timnguyen9 Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for the info. That's what I figured.

    Any idea what parts are involved for the DRLs on the HL. I purchased a kit from Ford that incuded a small module with wires and instructions. It's suppose to be wired to harness wires under the steering wheel. Kind of complicated and I don't want to risk in messing with the electrical. I thought that DRL only require a relay or something. The owners manual states that the relay and fuse junctin box under the hood has a relay position for the DRLs.

    Does the HL use the 9006 bulb for the low and 9005 bulb for the high beam?
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    Alright Willard! You definitely know your stuff when it comes to the DRL. Tell them about the resistor under the battery. He's actually quite knowledgable when he stops beating dead horses. :^)
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The RX DRLs (likely the HL also)have a relay arrangement wherein the two HB lamps are operated in series along with a voltage reducing resister.

    This arrangement appears to be cuasing premature failures of the HB bulbs due to their operation at less than 6 volts as opposed to the normal 12 volt operation.

    Some one suggested that the halogen "regeneration cycle" does not "start" util the halogen gas is above a certain temperature and at less than 6 volts it never does.

    So over a fairly short term, 12k miles and about one year in my case, you end up with HB bulbs that are interanlly coated with "soot" and the glass encapsulation melting.

    I replaced my HB bulbs and opened the entire DRL circuit simply by unplugging the DRL current limiting resister mounted directly under the battery.

    My suggestion:

    Wire a "DRL" relay that turns on the fog lamps and the parking lamps. Fog lamps generally have a very low beam cutoff, normally have a yellow or amber filter, and are normally of low enough output that their use as front DRLs would not be offensive to on-coming traffic.

    My canadian origin 911 came with DRLs (dedicated bulb)that also turn on the parking lamps. Seems like a good idea to me.

    So I plan to re-wire my RX as I have described.
  • hylndr61hylndr61 Member Posts: 51
    The fender flares are just about the perfect size to compliment the Highlander's styling. I do have the original tires and wheels installed and it looks fine with the fender flares. I do wish Toyota would have put a little wider tire on the Highlander though. I have posted a couple of extra pictures at http://homepage.mac.com/hylndr61 which shows the extra width added by the flares. Hope this helps.
  • wcpwcp Member Posts: 40
    See. As I said before he is a knowledgeable guy :-).
  • guy44guy44 Member Posts: 67
    I'm in the market for an SUV this year and am considering the Highlander as well as the Honda Pilot which is due out in June. I put a deposit on a Pilot just to give myself an option between the two vehicles when I'm ready to buy this summer. While details on the Pilot remain a bit sketchy, it looks like it will be bigger then the Highlander but it might not handle as well or have the same curb appeal. Do any of the Highlander owners have an opinion here?
  • dardson1dardson1 Member Posts: 696
    not sure where you guys are getting the 20+ mpg. I drove an 01 Sienna for 20 months and NEVER got better than 17.5mpg city driving but mostly got 16ish and sometimes in the high 15's using premium fuel per the book. My straight highway driving was 19-22mpg depending on speed. I never got anything like the 19/24 the window sticker promised. While the Sienna weighs a bit more, the engine/powertrain is practically identical. I actually thought the milage I got was respectable considering the size and weight of the vehicle; but you guys out there wondering about real world gas milage might oughta subtract a mile or two off these optimistic milage claims.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    Thanks for all the feedback on mileage and octane gas usage for HL's with V6's. I sure hope we all know how to calc. mpg's the same way....?
    Every local sales [non-permissible content removed] in the Twin Cities I've talked to has stated that the stickers are pretty close to actual results on MPG. Would they lie? Ha-ha-ha! Again, it's the old driving habits and weather, blah-blah-blah disclaimer stuff.

    I'm going with a FWD vs. AWD which is suppose to pick up 1-2 MPG over the AWD...who knows until I can calc that myself I guess.
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    dardson, I keep my gas receipts each month until I get my bill - actually I end up not throwing them away a lot of times even after that.

    So, in response to your statement "not sure where you guys are getting the 20+ mpg." and other comments in your posting -

    - the 20 - 21 mile per gallon highway/street mixed driving miles per gallon I posted for my '01 V-6 FWD HL in posting # 5079 was as a result of actually taking my last one full month's worth of my Chevron gasoline receipts of which I write down my vehicle mileage on when I purchase gas, adding the total mileage for the month billing period and dividing by the number of gallons purchased. The average MPG for me for the last month was 20 - 21 and that is the same as previous months, on average.

    In fact, now that you have questioned that, I happen to have both last month's and the previous month's receipts: my average for the last month was actually 20.21 mpg; previous month to that was 20.485 mpg. I have another months worth still in the file from Aug - Sept billing period: 20.53 mpg average. I found a note in my file with my average during the first month I had my HL (June): 20.51 mpg.

    I have a few strangler receipts in my file from past months, too...of those, the lowest gpm on a single tankful was 17.98 gpm and the highest was 24.35 gpm, although I think I may have gotten a little less than that from a tankful (rarely, as I recall) in the past and I recall getting more than 24.35 on a straight Interstate 5 trip...don't have the receipts from that trip, though.

    Bottom line: as I noted in my earlier posting, 20 - 21 gpm average for mixed driving. I think I will start keeping each months receipts for a longer period of time from now on to document future mileage, too, in case this subject comes up again.
  • pnajpnaj Member Posts: 7
    Thanks hylander61. I am going to order a set of flares.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I put 12k miles on a 00 RX AWD and now I have about that on an 01. Local gas mileage, virtually no hard throttle, to and from work, is pretty consistently 15 to 16MPG. Highway mileage (flat) is close to 22, highway mileage (mountainous) is closer to 20MPG.

    Tested both vehicles with 92 vs 87, no discernable difference. I run with the lower grade.
  • onboost91onboost91 Member Posts: 86
    Due to very limited Highlander availability in my region there are almost never any HL's in stock. This means that to purchase one you usually need to order one. Now I have never negotiated pricing on a vehicle that wasn't right there on the lot. Is it generally more difficult to get a good price or should you be able to get a comparable deal after laying out what options you might desire. Do you still stick to your guns and argue a $X over invoice? Do you get hit with any extra charges when ordering one that you get to avoid when buying off the lot?

    Any advice would be appreciated,
    Mark
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    See my post #278 in the Toyota Highlander Owner's Club section "How Much Did You Pay." Basically, it was $500 over invoice plus $250 TDA. No special fees for an order. You should be able to do better because the dealer does not have to have the vehicle sitting on their lot and they get a nice fat 2% holdback. That is, if you don't chicken out of the deal by the time it arrives!
  • toledo19toledo19 Member Posts: 119
    In what region do you live? Here in the Calif. Bay Area the HL is also a bit scarce, but getting better. However, in Southern Ca there seems to be high inventories and deals are frequent.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    No fluff in my report...I have a V6 FWD and I check my mileage with each fillup. I haven't had one fillup in 5800 miles that I've gotten fewer than (20 x gals) miles on the trip meter. It is an easy calculation. I'm getting slightly better than the sticker.

    Driving habits and traffic conditions have a lot to do with mileage. I don't have to be first off the mark at every red light. I don't push the gas all the way to the floor to accelerate on onramps, etc. If I need power to pass quickly, then it gets a good punch. It feels great compared to the 4 cyl Camry. I'm also usually by myself (being single) and only have a load of 'stuff' in the back after I've been shopping. I could really feel the difference in the Camry when passengers were along. My daily commute is not what I would call heavy stop-and-go except in the line at the toll plaza and I often don't take the interstate home but use surface streets so my driving is probably a 50/50 mix of highway and city. I may drop below 20 mpg when the air has to run this summer but so far I'm delighted with my mileage.
  • irishcaseyirishcasey Member Posts: 36
    Can anyone tell me what the going cost is for the extended warranty on the HL. Is anyone buying these? Thanks.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    I just bought one. The pricing varies by FWD vs AWD. I got the same pricing from my local dealer as the www.toyotawarranty.com site has. On that site use the Camry link for the HL 4x4 and the Celica link for the 4x2. I got the platinum plan which is 'everything except what's excluded'. The gold plan is named parts. You can pick up a brochure at a dealer on the plans.
  • uksuks Member Posts: 5
    Where can I order fender flares for HL? I read one post referring to toyparts.net,but didn't see on their website.
    Also, is it worth removing color-keyed mudguards to put fender flares?
    Has anyone put any other accessory on HL to make it look cooler? Like grille guard?

    As far as my experience with the car (SUV), I got a 4cyl FWD. I always thought I can't live without a V6 on any car, but when I test drove the 4cyl model, kinda got impressed with it. And to be true, didn't consider V6 model because I wanted to save a few bucks. So can't compare or recommend the 4cyl over a V6.

    The 4cyl drives good with sufficient low RPM power (that's what impressed me). From a stop to go, this engine has enough torque. However, as observed by others, accelerating from 50mph to 60mph when passing may sometimes need effort.

    I said "sometimes" because here is what I've observed (in my relatively shorter period of driving the HL - 2 weeks). If you're driving at 60, and you suddenly decide to pass another vehicle. You step on the gas pedal and the car does respond favorably. But, if you are entering a highway, hence gradually accelerating from 30 to 50, and in that period of gradual acceleration you decide you wanna rush to 70 mph to pass, the car hesitates. In my understanding, this has more to do with the gear choice made by the automatic transmission than the power of the engine itself.

    Another reason why I find the 4cyl sufficient is that I've FWD model, which is lighter than a 4x4.

    I remember at this point, I notice a ticking sound coming from the hood after turning the vehicle off after a drive. I wonder if it's like a metallic thing that expanded because of heating and is now shrinking because of cooling. Has anyone else noticed this sound? Note that this is different from the ticking sound that others have mentioned in some posts. That one, I guess, if for V6 engines, and it comes from within the passenger compartment.

    I'll post more once I cross the 1000 miles break-in period. Btw, I can't stop myself driving at 70mph on this new car, though toyota recommends not crossing over 55mps for first 1000 miles. Any ideas if this is really bad for longer term?
  • bikerjohnbikerjohn Member Posts: 52
    See my response under Edmunds Toyota Highlander Owners: Accessories & Modifications. I forgot to mention there that, Yes, you need to remove the mudguards. I bought some black mud flaps from local auto parts store, Pep Boys. Only $15.00 for 4. Easy to install & look great with the fender flares.
  • hylndr61hylndr61 Member Posts: 51
    Toyparts.net is the website of the Parts Department at Burnsville Toyota. Only a few items are pictured but they can order anything you need. Call them at 1-888-435-8022 (ask for Parts Department) I have compared prices and they are consistently less expensive on parts and accessories than the others. I paid around $495 for the fender flare kit and it arrived by UPS in about a week.
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