Toyota Highlander

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  • stevostevo Member Posts: 37
    Hello,

    Had our HL for about 3 months now and I'd like to share some comments. First a little background...

    We weren't planning on buying a new vehicle at this time but due to unexpected circumstances, we began to do some looking. We only wanted to spend a certain amount and looked at the Honda CRV LX which fit our budget (they were not discounting). We liked a few things the upgraded EX offered (ABS, alloys, rear privacy glass...)and figured we could scrape up enough money for the difference. On the way to put the deposit on the Honda, we figured we'd stop by the Toyota dealer and just get a price for a 4 cyl HL. The HL's discounted price was about $2300 more than the CRV EX MSRP (no discounting) however, the Toyota dealer gave us $2000 more for our trade (Sienna)so the real difference was only approx. $300 over the CRV EX. The CRV had a few things that our HL doesn't have.. mainly AWD and sunroof - but we didn't need those options anyway. Bottom line.. we got a vehicle that we like within the price we wanted to spend.

    We live in a small Texas city (pop 80,000)with no freeways, no hills and our 4 cyl is just fine for everyday driving. Normal hwy driving is fine also.

    Now the downside... We went to the big city last week and traveled the freeways, entrance ramps, etc. The 4cyl is lacking in acceleration when you really need it. If I traveled freeways or hills daily, I'd prefer the 6cyl. Luckily, we only do this type of driving once every two months or so.

    We had to go with the 4cyl mainly for cost issues. We were not in a position to custom order and all the 6cyl HL's that we found were about $1500 more than the 4cyl. $1500 may not sound like much, but as mentioned earlier, we were already stretching our budget and simply could not afford any more at this time.

    Just my comments and situation.
  • tommyg12tommyg12 Member Posts: 158
    My dealer wants $140.00 for the 15K which seems to be nothing more than a oil change, tire rotation, a re-torque of the drive shaft bolts, and a lot of "inspections".

    The 5k/7.5k mile service is the oil change and tire rotation for only $35.00. Is the drive shaft re-torque really necessary this early and shouldn't this be a fairly quick and easy procedure?

    Also while we are talking maintenance, has anyone noticed that the auto trans service is only required for "severe" conditions? I am not a transmission expert, but fluid does have to be changed sometime, or am I wrong? thanks.
  • jelhz43njelhz43n Member Posts: 44
    Stevo,
    If you do not mind my asking, why you traded Sienna ( 6Cyl) for HL (4 Cyl) ?
    If you remove the 3rd row seats you get much more cargo space than HL IMO.
    We own Sienna but wife wants SUV and I am stopping her by giving this justification and of course she wants Seqouia!!
    Just curious, if you prefer SUV over Van , then it makes sense.

    John
  • wdpittwdpitt Member Posts: 2
    I have been doing a lot of research on the Highlander and am considering purchasing one. I have one burning question...some articles, including Toyota.com, refer to the HL as being full-time 4WD, but many other sources refer to the HL as being AWD. Which is it and what is the difference?

    One last question is about owners experiences. I have read many of the discussions and found most people to be very happy with their HLs. There seemed to be some problems with the 2001, but 2002 seems to be better model year. Have they worked out the problems with the 2002 or should I wait for the 2003?

    Any help or comments would be appreciated!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    In most instances full-time 4WD and AWD are the same. Part-time 4WD/AWD is NEVER to be used if all four wheels have good roadbed traction. Full-time and/or AWD systems provide enough SLOP in the drivetrain that no mechanical damage will occur even with all four wheels having good traction.

    The problem arises with regards just how much SLOP is enough. In the case of the HL and the RX the VC (viscous coupling) is so sloppy as to NEVER have any real functionality. If you're looking for something with true on-road wintertime AWD functionality then best find one with both modes, full-time and part-time, or one with 2WD normally and part-time for LTS.
  • les16les16 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks everyone for your responses. I have some additional questions for Brad_22 who installed his own.
    1. How did you get to DC Pwr? Did you somehow get under the headliner? Is there a connector already wired in the harness? Does the cable just hang down from the overhead to the mirror?
    2. Do you know anything about the details of cable and sensor locations for the temp sensor?

    As you can see, I am planning to install myself since the dealer wants $234 to do it!

    Thanks again
  • tfierro1tfierro1 Member Posts: 5
    I'm approaching my first oil change on my new 2002 v6 limited awd at 3000 miles, and I do the oil changes myself. I know a lot has been written on this site about oil changes being cheap insurance and I totally agree. My question is whether or not to use synthetic oil? I'm aware of its benefits in terms of longer intervals between oil changes, although I feel even If i used synthetic, I wold probably still change my oil at around 3000 miles. Has anyone had any experience using synthetic oil in their highlanders? All input is greatly appreciated.

    P.S.- I LOVE this vehicle!! my wife and I think it is everything we expected it to be, and that was quite a lot.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I just did the 15k service on my 01 AWD RX. Used 5 qts Mobil 1 and drained 4.7 qts.
  • lasrerlasrer Member Posts: 9
    hey les.

    very easy. I installed mine in about 20 minutes.
    I didnt get the outside temp since that complicates the install and I have that on my limited.

    I soldered a 6 foot 2 conductor thin wire to the +/- connections and made it pretty.

    the wire is seen as it goes up to the headliner.

    delicately slip the wire under the headliner. At first i didnt think it would go but it dose.

    down the pillar under the rubber trim.

    into the fuse box area.

    I pulled the fuse for the radio and slipped the + wire in and then pushed the fuse in. I then clipped the ground - to a metal frame near it./

    others may have better way to attach to DC but this lazy way worked for me.

    I like the compass feature, and the glass quality is better than the stock mirror.

    good luck

    ed
  • stevostevo Member Posts: 37
    jelhz43n,

    Main reason traded in '98 Sienna:
    Began having transmission/driveline problems and could see a large repair bill down the road.

    Secondary reason for buying HL:
    -Wife really prefers SUV over minivan.
    -Baby is big now... don't need all the room to haul the playpen and associated baby stuff.
    -Friends we traveled with have moved out of state and we won't be needing to haul 6-7 people anymore.

    You're right - Sienna has much more room, it also has a little smoother ride. We also liked being able to get to the back from the front seat. I think I may have preferred having a setup like the 2001 HL without the console for this reason and also we used the space between the front seats for the wife's purse, fast food bags, etc.- but that's a minor issue.

    Anyway.. to each his own.
  • jelhz43njelhz43n Member Posts: 44
    Stevo, thanks for your respone ! In a couple of years I may have to go down the same way as wife has already declared no more van after we are done with the car seat for the little one! But frankly speaking I love the van for it's versatility (seat configuarations ) !

    John
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    Les, to back up what lasrer said, the instructions that Toyota provides with the mirror are easy to follow. I didn't need to do any soldering - its all hidden behind the plastic anyway. : )

    The hardest thing for me was taking apart my Highlander - I didn't have the tool that you're supposed to use to pry the panels from the frame. A long screwdriver is enough, though.

    As for the sensor locations, they can be found on the mirror's frame (recessed censors on the front and back).

    Have fun!
  • oz69oz69 Member Posts: 2
    Just took delivery of a new silver 2002 AWD HL limited with 10 miles on it. Dealer had tires inflated all around to 38 psi. Tires are Bridgestones. Factory info on door pillar states 30 psi. Are you guys using factory recommended psi? Why would a dealer inflate to 38? Possibly over inflated related to transport from overseas?

    Advice please...Thanks!
  • bill01923bill01923 Member Posts: 57
    Ours was the same 38 psi, it rides much better at 30.
    The only reason I can think of for higher shipping pressure is less vehicle movement during transport.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    ...and how about doing it to avoid creating a flat spot on the tire whose curvature may not be restored very quickly?

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  • retropiaretropia Member Posts: 41
    A mechanic friend of mine says that synthetics don't suspend contaminants as well as regular oil. (You want the oil to suspend contaminants, and carry them to the filter where they are trapped.) He says if you want to use synthetics, he recommends using a blend. For his own vehicles, he uses a good quality non-synthetic and changes frequently; no more than 3K between changes.
  • bigorange30bigorange30 Member Posts: 1,091
    Even if that were true, they sure perform well. Using a blend just gives the dino oil a chance to muck up the engine? With a blend, you should change every 3 K. With a synthetic you can go 7-10 K.
  • bobistheoilguybobistheoilguy Member Posts: 270
    but I disagree with your idea of blends. Not all blends are created equal and not all synth's are created equal.

    I know schaeffers blends will go as long as most synth's with lower wear #s.

    Get a chance, post your oil analysis and show how well your synth is holding up better than blends. I'm very interested in seeing this. Get a chance, there is a bunch of oil analysis on my board that will let you see how blends compared to synth's are holding up as well as minerals. might suprise you.
  • bigorange30bigorange30 Member Posts: 1,091
    but the file posted on this board:


    http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?s&threadid=100060


    shows that the full synthetics are holding up to some high mileage. What kind of mileage can the blends go up to before they start to get bad readings?

    I do plan to get mine analyzed after the next oil change but it is a new engine so I don't expect the best results this time.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I know Bob hangs out in the Synthetic motor oil discussion. Probably best to continue in there before getting too much farther afield in here. Thanks.

    (not that you guys are too off-topic, but this is a slippery slope )

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  • annie522annie522 Member Posts: 7
    We got the 4 cyl 2wd because we got a good lease on it. The pickup is very adequate and it is a great ride. A little slower than a 6 cyl but enough pickup for everyday. Does anyone else love their 4 cyl? I see alot of 6 cyl out there. We got a 4 year lease with $2500 down and they paid off our old car's last 3 payment totalling $1084. The extras it came with were: moonroof, roof racks, running boards, carpets, privacy windows, tonneau cover and net. Payment: $396 a month. Was this a good deal?
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    I just turned 18,000 miles on my V-6 FWD 2001 Highlander and wanted to offer some feedback and info with others. My opinions only, of course. I purchased my HL in June 2001.

    I hit the 18,000 mile mark while on what turned out to be an over 850 mile round trip from my home on the central coast of California to Las Vegas, Nevada, and back. It was hot (107 the first day in Las Vegas), windy through the higher elevation passes on the way home (including dust storms with real minimal visibiltiy...like slam on the brakes, can't see the road at times, but yet have to keep going in case the person behind you does not stop; anyway, even with those conditions, no wind noise inside, in my case) , and - for those of you that may know - way city driving plus in Las Vegas proper. As with my other trips in the Highlander, it was great. MPG based only on tankfuls was anywhere from 18 (stop and go in city traffic) to over 23 with the air conditioner always on (in past trips, I have gotten well over 25 on Interstates 5 and 80). At home on a day-to-day basis I average 20 or so with mixed driving.

    As with my ownership in general, no problems on this trip. The Highlander has been reliable and perhaps the best vehicle I have owned.

    As for some personal feedback on the Highlander verses the Honda Pilot, I have looked at the Pilot....too big for what I need. Heck, I can hardly fit in small parking spots now. I don't need a third seat, and it seems the Pilot's third seat is getting mixed reviews anyway. Believe me, I like Honda...I traded in an Accord for my Highlander...but I hope Toyota does not look at the Pilot for future design ideas. The Highlander is a good performer and a good size as is...in fact, it is perfect for me. The 220 HP is fine, towing capacity is okay for this class of vehicle, MPG is fine for an SUV, and so on.

    Some are comparing the size of the Pilot to the Chevy Tahoe..at least being close in width....which, with the deals GM has, could be had for close to the same price as a Highlander with a number of accessories, at least from what I have seen in ads. Bottom line, I hope Toyota does not try to bump up the size of the Highlander in future years.

    Again, just some personal thoughts from a satisfied Highlander owner. Also, related to the recent oil change postings, i have done 3,000 or so mile changes as I have with past vehicles....another personal preference, and good insurance. My dealer uses 10W 40 Valvoline regular "dino" oil which I am pleased about. As for the 10W 40 verses 5W, it does not get close to zero degrees F here, so thus I do not have a problem with them using 10W 40.

    Ron
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    In my "Highlander Feedback" message, I stated my dealer uses 10W 40...I made a mistake typing that...it should read, and is, "10W-30". 10W-30 Valvoline oil.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    While you cannot rewrite history, you have 30 minutes to make any changes or fixes after you post a message. Just click on the Edit button that follows your message after you post it.

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  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    Thanks for the reminder, Steve...I caught the mistake too late, though. I'm a little slow at times!

    Ron
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    hmmm, looks like I read your first post as being 11:39 am; nevermind :-)

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  • nocanoca Member Posts: 1
    What kind of mileage is obtained with a 6 cylinder AWD? How about a 4 cylinder AWD Highlander?
  • mprince3mprince3 Member Posts: 6
    JUST TOOK POSSESSION OF NEW 2002 HIGHLANDER LAST SATURDAY, NOW HAVE 200 MILES ON IT. THE NEXT DAY UPON DRIVING WE ROLLED DOWN THE REAR WINDOWS AND THE NOISE WAS SO LOUD ALL FOUR PEOPLE IN CAR COULD NOT STAND IT AND HAD TO ROLL WINDOWS BACK-UP.AFTER ROLLING DOWN AGAIN AND DOING SOME TESTING WE DISCOVERED THE NOISE AGAIN WAS OVERBEARING AND UPON LOOKING AT ROOF IT WAS ALSO SHAKING DRASTICALLY.WHEN ROLLING REAR WINDOWS UP AND FRONT WINDOWS DOWN THE PROBLEM WAS STILL PRESENT BUT NOT NEARLY AS BAD.CALLED DEALER ON MONDAY DEALER CALLED TOYOTA AND WAS TOLD THIS IS CARACTERISTIC OF THIS TYPE VEHICLE.HAS ANYONE ELSE EXPERIENCED THIS PROBLEM.$35000.00 IS ALOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON A VEHICLE YOU CAN'T EVEN ROLL THE WINDOWS DOWN IN.ANY REPLIES WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED .
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    What you have experienced is actually quite common. You have managed to convert your HL into a "wind instrument", like a whistle, for instance.

    The sound waves can actually be quite painfull at some speeds.

    My 68 and 75 Ford station wagons would do the same thing but not to such a high level as the RX and HL and in the Ford I could lower the rear window glass slightly and completely alleviate the sound.

    The next models will likely have rear wing windows that can be opened like you find on the Chrysler T&C, the X5 and the ML.

    In the meantime use your A/C to enjoy your new HL.
  • bill01923bill01923 Member Posts: 57
    All vehicles like this do the same thing.
    We have a 2002 HL Limited (wife's) and I just got a Honda Pilot and my Mountaineer the we haven't sold yet all have the same issue.
    Opening the sunroof all the way does the same also.
  • mjm11mjm11 Member Posts: 2
    Just bought a 2002 HL. Live in very deer intense woodsy area. Had a Jeep prior with real nice grill guard that literally saved me thousands during a deer accident.
    Inquired about same for HL at dealer but was informed that such a device may interfere with sensors for airbags in event of real accident.
    Can anyone verify? I'm interested in protecting vehicle but not at the risk of losing safety protection.

    thanks!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Taken literally, he is absolutely correct. The airbag will not trigger unless it sees a certain level of impact "strike" signature. Any decent brush guard could very possibly "soften" the "strike" signature by absorbing some of the energy before it reaches the vehicle itself.

    But that's exactly why you would put a brush guard on your car.

    Email Toyota and ask for an educated opinion, don't even listen to me.

    customer_satisfaction_inquiries@toyota.com
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    Is it just me, or are the color selections kind of boring for Highlanders....and Toyotas in general. When compared to US automakers, it seems Toys have more mundane colors...nothing that really catches your attention. The silver and gold are ok...the red looks like orange under some lighting and the green is on the dark side. I've heard people say they're really hot about the Bluestone color, but again, it looks kinda conservative to me.
    I know the vehicle is great and put together well, but I'd like to seem more brightness in the colors offered.
    Anyone heard of any new ones for 2003? THAT would probably be the only change going into the third year of production.
    Again, I spot TrailBlazers, Durangos, GMC's, even Ford Explorers that have more bright and exciting colors..why not Toyota?
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    Me again:
    Took a road trip to Milwaukee to see the local b-ball team play Bud's team a while back...I saw 2 Highlanders between the TC's and Milwaukee. And I was looking hard for them! But saw many Chevy TB's, GMC's, Durango's, and Explorers...new version. Is it just that Highlanders are hard to find or too pricey for what you get? I just thought that it was strange to not find many on the road when it has such high marks in the auto rags...especially compared to these other models mentioned. I really don't see many around the TC's either. Mostly, again, the models mentioned above....any comments?
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    mprince3, I concur with wwest and bill01923 on this subject. As Bill mentioned, this also happens with the sun (moon) roof all the way open, at least in my case.

    If one were patient and did not have much else to do but search almost 6,000 messages here, one would find that there are a number of messages posted here on the subject. The generally accepted "solution" to the back window issue is to drive with the front windows down, too, to equalize the pressure. Or, as wwest notes, using the A/C (instead of windows down).

    Also, on the Honda Pilot site here on Edmund's Town Hall, just by happenstance there is a message over there with basically the same issue, although the poster there mentions 60 MPH... I find in happens at a much lower spend that that on my HL with only the back windows down. And a response on the Pilot site with someone posting that the Ford Explorers they have driven do the same thing. If interested, they are message numbers 3342, dated June 27 (subject line: "Interesting Experiment") and 3346, also dated June 27. That is on the board titled "Honda Pilot" here in Town Hall; it is under the "SUV" category.

    Anyway, you are not alone! But, in my opinion, the Highlander is still a great vehicle and I would not hesitate to buy another one.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I kept seeing the posts here and on clublexus so last week I tried it in my RX300. At about 50MPH with just the right front window completely down the sound was much louder than I remember experiencing in either of my Ford station wagons.

    With just the right side rear window down the pressure waves were actually painfull, VERY, I don't think I could have endured the pain for even a few more moments.

    On the RX I attribute it to being very well insulated and sealed. With it very well insulated no road noise can get in, but also no interior noise can get out. The Lexus cabins are very well sealed to air leakage and air "flow-thru, mostly in order to reduce the cycling of the A/C compressor and thus increase their MPG.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Member Posts: 343
    I don't think that putting anything on the front of the vehicle will have an effect on airbag deployment.

    From what I know - the airbag is triggered by deceleration sensors. The brush guard is still attached to the vehicle, and the vehicle will still have to decelerate, and if severe enough - the airbag will deploy.

    I would never listen to a dealer on anything technical - they are not engineers
  • annie522annie522 Member Posts: 7
    Anyone have any thoughts on my previous post? Would appreciate any and all input.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    You're paying $21,500 over 4 years to lease the vehicle, not OWN it, absent knowing what you would have to pay to own it at the end of the lease it's hard to judge if you got a good value.

    Now, I know the Ford Escape doesn't really compare to the HL, but my son just purchased one (4 cyl/ manual, AWD{?}), outright, for approximately what you're paying just to lease your HL for 4 years.

    The escape isn't full-time AWD, it's FWD with AWD mode on low traction surfaces only. But for serious wintertime on-road driving that's far superior to even the HL/RX AWD series, with predominantly FWD (90/10 F/R) a totally flaccid VC that never rises to the occassion, no ability to use snowchains without sacrificing your personal safety, and one helluva lot better than a FWD HL or RX.

    But I presume that since you bought the FWD model wintertime traction is not an issue for you.
  • annie522annie522 Member Posts: 7
    Thanks for your input. We really wanted to get rid of our Chrysler Concorde LXi but we could have waited until our lease was up in Oct. and maybe got a better deal. The "dealer" kind of talked me into the FWD saying that alot of people were getting it. I started out to get a 6 cyl. but again, got a 4 cyl. I love the truck don't get me wrong. But I do now feel that we were taken and taken real good. The buyout is $13,000. But in 4 years I'll buy my next car. That might be a better move. We put $2500 down and they paid off my $1084 left on my old lease.
  • robert_carobert_ca Member Posts: 34
    Good question. I had the same dilemma when I purchase my HL. The only colour that I cared for was the silver and seeing as my two previous vehicles were silver and I did not want another one I ended up with a Bluestone. Same for the interior, while most automakers offer a few choices of interior colours for some reason the only leather interior colour in Canada is beige.

    While on the subject of paint, the only aspect of the vehicle that I am disappointed in is Toyota’s paint finish. Perhaps it is my particular vehicle, but I find the paint /clearcoat to be very thin and soft in that it scratches and chips quite easily compared to other makes that I have owned in the past. As it stands, I would think twice before purchasing another Toyota product.
  • edmundted1edmundted1 Member Posts: 22
    Can you put a pollen filter in a 2001 non-limited HL (in the box behind the glove compartment)? Sure would cut down on all the stuff in the air. Thanks.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I don't know specifically about the HL but do a Google search on pollen filters for cars. There seem to plenty of them out there!

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  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    I took another look at the HL and focused on the rear hatch opening. That is really a narrow and short opening for a vehicle that is suppose to be a stationwagon/suv. I've seen wagons with bigger entrances. I love the rest of the interior...although I wish the gauges were not set in so far into the dash as well as wish they put a a multiple cd changer unit in the non-ltd version. With a HL, I'm going from a minivan that had a nice wide and low set opening to something that is higher off the ground and smaller entrance. Although, I'm trying to get away from 12 years of minivans, it may be that I'm stuck with staying with them. I haul band equipment and thought the HL was the best unit of it's kind around; until I focused on that back end. Anyone else have comments on that issue?
    Those of you who have an HL; has that become an issue when your hauling items? Thanks.
  • leitheimleitheim Member Posts: 1
    I am considering purchasing a HL, was wondering if there are any cyclists out there that can attest to its ability to hold 1-2 bicycles in the cargo area. - Matt
  • dawgcardawgcar Member Posts: 12
    I picked up my motherinlaw and her sister and husband from the airport awhile back and with the back seats up and in a locked position, I could fit 4 suitcases plus 3 sets of golf bags that fit across. I find the opening just fine, but again I am not hauling drum sets or anything that bulky. The width seems fine with putting a set of golf clubs and other wide items in there.
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    I have fit my Specialized cross bike in the back of my 2001 Highlander at an angle okay (back seats down, of course). Haven't tried two bikes, though. If you seriously consider a Highlander, perhaps you can give it a try before buying. Also, I have seen positive comments in postings on this Highlander site here on Town Hall with discussion about putting a bike rack on the tow hitch.

    As for the hatch opening in general, it has been fine for me, for overall use (Home Depot and related loads, vacation trips, even trips to the landfill/dump). Although, I can see where a musician loading up a full gig worth of equipment might find a Highlander a little...or a lot...tight, depending, of course, on how much and what one will actually be hauling. I have a friend who both plays and records professionally; he liked my HL and thought it would be good, but he ended up buying a used mini-van...I think due to price.

    Bottom line is, it all depends on one's needs...the Highlander, in my opinion after one year of ownership, is a great vehicle, but it certainly can't be used for everything. Personal preference and use always comes into play when determining what type or make of vehicle to buy, of course. Including, the size or lack thereof of hatch openings. But again, I have found it great for my needs.

    On the point of preference, I understand the new Honda Pilot is a little wider than the Highlander....while I am very pleased with the HL, perhaps those that need a little bigger space can check out the Pilot or other vehicles (by the way, I looked at a Pilot...no question that I if something happened to my Highlander, I would buy another HL to replace it...again, personal preference! I like mine a lot, and it has been great).
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    If my primary concern was hauling music gear around, I think a van is a better fit, especially the Honda or Mazda MPV with seats that fold down out of the way. They are really versatile cargo haulers. If I needed AWD then the SUV, like the Highlander, with easy fold back seats would be the way to go.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The Chrysler T&C has a much more reliable AWD system then the HL or the RX, and you can safely use tire chains if the need arises.

    IMMHO the HL and RX are AWD in "name" only. 50/50 torque distribution on high traction surfaces, granted. When the going gets tough, low traction surfaces, with a flaccid VC that never rises to the occassion, and NO way to use tire chains without sacrificing your personal safety, these are predominantly FWD vehicles only.
  • svtcobraconvsvtcobraconv Member Posts: 85
    leitheim

    When we test drove the HL before buying, we stopped at our house to make sure we could fit our two bikes in the cargo area without removing the wheel. No problem at all.

    Now with 2500 miles, our HL developed the infamous glove box rattle. Rather than going through past posts, could someone briefly outline where the foam pad should be placed to fix this?

    Thanks!
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