Toyota Highlander

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  • steveb84steveb84 Member Posts: 187
    So far very few of the 2004's have been allocated and may be just starting to hit dealership lots. I really don't expect to see a huge volume of them until early-mid October.

    When they arrive, if there are any 03's left we will display them side by side - "Here are some great buys on 03's but if you want all the exciting new features on the 2004's you'll have to pay more"
  • yardman77yardman77 Member Posts: 1
    go to carsdirect.com you can price a 2004 highlander with all the options you want...it will cost about 37,400 or so for a loaded limited...and try adding the dvd system and factory leather to a 4 cylinder 2 wheel drive..think that totaled about 31,000 with all of the other forced options they make you buy just to get the dvd ...im probably gonna buy a pilot instead..better value....
  • bbouch57bbouch57 Member Posts: 29
    Even though I have a four cylinder model, which is fine, anything approaching $30,000 for this vehicle with a four is totally ridiculous. At that price range and the type of vehicle the Highlander is, it should have a six as standard and an eight as an option. What would make sense, especially for the FWD versions-(220 or 230 hp for this version is way overkill), would be a six with less power than the present and possibly the present six for AWD versions with an eight as a premium option for those who just have to have massive power. The Limited at its lofty price would be the model equipped with everything and have the eight as standard. The 4 runner engine choices to choose from make sense. The Highlander present engine choices with the big difference in hp between the four and the six makes no sense.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    the 4-cyl makes sense as a gas-saver option for the Highlander, although 6-cyl should be standard on AWD models. The 4 in the FWD is perfectly fine for city driving and highway trips. Having said that, $30K for a 4-cyl HL is fairly absurd - there should be a bigger price differential between the 4's and the 6's.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • canwin1canwin1 Member Posts: 6
    I just committed to a 2004 AWD, 6 cyl. Highlander. It should be here in October. I purchased the "B" option package (available in Canada) along with other options. I am/was a long time Honda guy but after exhaustive research and testing thought it was the best SUV for me. I will sell my 2002 CRV EX L and keep our 2002 Civic. My Question? Does the (2004 V6) Highlander require a towing package to haul its limit of 3500 lbs? I am buying a 1900 lb fold up trailer. Any comments or sugestions are appreciated.
  • canwin1canwin1 Member Posts: 6
    Further to the above. The Honda dealer told me the Pilot needs the tow package because it is a five speed automatic. The 2004 Highlander is also a five speed. I called two dealers and they said it is not neccessary yet I read previous posts here where people got their 2001 or 2002 Highlanders with a tow packages. Any thoughts?
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    Finally got pics of my HL up at the WAAG.com site! Silver 2001 Highlander with front-bumper guard, rear-bumper guard, taillight guards, sidestep tubes, aftermarket grill, aftermarket tires/wheels. Let me know what you think!

    WAAG Customer Showroom
  • rmui1rmui1 Member Posts: 48
    for 2003's towing package is required for max tow capacity for both engines
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    Don't know whether it's required, but I got the towing prep package on my 02 Limited because it was such a good value. I don't do any towing, but the towing prep pachage (TO) was only $160 and included heavy duty radiator plus a couple of other things that I can't remember that I thought were well worth the extra $160 and I was trying to keep the total cost of the Limited down as much as possible.
  • grfx25grfx25 Member Posts: 2
    Can anybody recomend a good tire...
    Quiet ride with good handleing.

    Thanks
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    cross terrain

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    You might want to take a look at this discussion: Tires, tires, tires

    tidester, host
  • landdriverlanddriver Member Posts: 607
    brad_22:

    Looks cool! Like the way the front and rear are balanced in terms of looks; the fender flares add a refined touch along with the upgraded wheel rims, grille, etc.
  • bbouch57bbouch57 Member Posts: 29
    Cooper Discoverer HT is a very good choice. I have had them on for 6000+ miles and they have proved to be excellent. Quiet and handle good with minimal wear.
  • bigdadbigdad Member Posts: 55
    I was immensely dissatisfied with the stock Integrity tires which were dangerous in wet weather due to hydroplaning. They were quiet but not a safe tire....bought a set of the new Geolander HT-S from Yokohama (G-051)...Check Tire Rack ratings....over 10K so far and they have been good as far as handling and wear....had a problem with two that couldn't be balanced and had to be replaced, but no arguement in doing so....I am not sure it wasn't just a tire dealer problem with equipment or labor. Now it is very smooth and precise in wet weather. Had Yoko's Avid Touring on my Acura before and was very impressed with the value, at half the cost of Michelins. The G-051's were $103 per tire for 235/70 16R plus balance etc....
  • stevedesstevedes Member Posts: 1
    Not sure if the same holds for the 04s, but the Canadian 2003 4WD V6 equiped Highlanders came with the towing package as standard equipment. Same thing for the LSD, and the roof rack. The 2003 brochure lists the following as the towing capacities for the three drivetrain versions: FWD - 1500 lbs, FWD V6 - 3000 lbs, and 4WD V6 - 3500 lbs.
  • iwseiwse Member Posts: 27
    First time ever in a HL, this one a 2004 Limited. Though I expected a bit more verve from the upgraded engine, it was quite nice overall. Only complaints are poor stereo quality (I trust that system is a carryover unchanged from 2003) and a noticable hesitation from first to second gear when accelerating from a stop. Also I noticed the transmission seemingly searching between gears while accelerating on an incline at 30-40 mph. Wonder if this is isolated to the vehicle I drove, or if a repeat of the 5-speed AT complaints noted in the Lexus ES300 consumer discussions. I'd have to test drive another vehicle to be feel more confident this is not a pattern. Seeing the third row up close makes me wish it was an option to be removed in the Limited, as only children could easily climb back there, yet I wouldn't dare risk my children's safety given the slim clearance to the rear end. And, because of the third row, the spare tire is more inconveniently located beneath the vehicle.

    The salesperson wanted me to buy that one I drove, naturally. Interestingly, one of his motivational tactics was to suggest I'd be better off with that one, since it was manufactured in Japan, instead of the US. He asserted that HL's built in Japan have proven to be more reliable. Can anyone point to a source that tracks reliability data by point of origin.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    I've never read anything that suggests Japanese cars built in Japan are more reliable than their US made counterparts. I think your salesman just pulled that out of his [non-permissible content removed] trying to get you to buy immediately.
  • tommyg12tommyg12 Member Posts: 158
    Highlanders are only built in Japan. Shop somewhere else and make sure you tell the salesman your reason for doing so.
  • mroatmealmroatmeal Member Posts: 2
    In the 2003 Highlander Limited...
       1) Can the 3rd-row seat be removed (either by "flipping some levers" or by unbolting) to provide a hidden storage area?
       2) How is the spare tire accessed?
      Is it via a pull-up cover in the interior of the vehicle -- as it is in the 2003 Highlanders?
      Or, is it under the vehicle -- accessed from outside the vehicle?
  • shuedshued Member Posts: 107
    Does Highlander has 5 speed auto transmission? otherwise, how it competes with Pilot? Any idea when the new model will appear?
  • iwseiwse Member Posts: 27
    mroatmeal - don't know about removing 3rd row seat, but having seen it, I rather doubt converting it to storage would work. Spare tire is underneath the vehicle and is covered presumably to protect it from road debris.

    shued - '04 HL does have 5-speed
  • landdriverlanddriver Member Posts: 607
    Local Toyota dealer (SF bay area) got some 04's in the last couple of days, and checked-out a non-limited today -- not much new to report that hasn't been discussed here before -- third-row seat is cool-looking (has its own heater control knob and cup holders on top of the wheel wells, along with side curtain airbags that descend from the top of the rear windows). Folds down to provide same cargo area as previous Highlanders nearest my eye can tell. The new bumper/grille/headlights look good, but nothing really striking about them to write home about. The polished aluminum interior trim accents in the non-limited (in contrast to the hammered metal trim in previous non-limited Highlanders) look interesting but once again no really big deal to me -- it does give the interior a brighter look. Definitely liked the new styling of the cloth seats. Small storage compartment under floor behind third-row-seat accommodates tonneau cover which must be removed when rear seat is folded up. Change to the look of the overhead console housing the eye glasses compartment and other minor changes to interior components. When I have more time will test drive the new 3.3 5-speed V6.
  • gpoltgpolt Member Posts: 113
    Transmission somewhat jerky between 1st & 2nd.

    Aluminum "look" instrument panel cheapens the interior as does the new fabric.

    Even with the third seat down, if you compare with a 2003, you will notice a loss of about 1 - 2" in overall depth.
  • pjaatpdx1000pjaatpdx1000 Member Posts: 16
    Seems the Highlanders available in my area, in my color, both have running boards. I don't like the looks of them, but am wondering if they are practical in keeping dirt and rocks off the doors. Anyone have experience with these?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Really good for messing up your pant leg and that's about it.
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    Good for reaching your snowboard rack on top of the HL. If you have one, that is. : )
  • greeneyedladygreeneyedlady Member Posts: 1
    Still trying to decide, HL or Pilot? looking at Pilot EXL and HL Ltd/leather. Practical pros and cons appreciated.
  • jbolltjbollt Member Posts: 736
    I shopped both, drove both, and found the Highlander to be significantly quieter on the highway, with a smoother (more refined) feel/ride. I bought the Higlander, V6 non Limited, with most of the Limited's equipment, except leather, which I didn't want anyway.
  • 590116590116 Member Posts: 32
    In 1 1/2 years and 23000 miles, I've found no chips/rock-marks on my HL with running boards. In addition, the sides seem to stay relatively clean. I can't prove that the r.b. made the difference, but I can say 1) I much prefer the appearance with the r.b., 2) friends under 5'5" have commented on the ease of entry with the r.b. as a step-up, and 3) I have never messed up my pant leg on them. Never. Hope this helps.
  • cmcardlecmcardle Member Posts: 71
    I have both in my garage, an '02 Limited AWD HL and an '03 EXL Pilot.

    Differences (some subjective):
    -HL smaller in all respects, including feeling smaller while driving and parking. Feels more like a big car than a minivan, while the Pilot seems to be more minivan than car.
    -Better rear visibility out of HL.
    -Pilot significantly quicker, but HL smoother.
    -HL has 6 disc changer, sunroof & traction control.

    (My HL couldn't have an RES, which I hear is now available, and my Pilot couldn't have heated seats and mirrors, which I hear are now available.)

    I would take a look and see if you need the interior room of the Pilot, or if the HL would suffice. If you don't need the extra room, I'd lean towards the HL. If you want/ need a little more passenger and/or cargo room, the Pilot is also a great vehicle. Above all, drive both and see which one you like better... they're both good vehicles with large and loyal followings.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    If you live north of the snowline, as I do, Seattle area, now would be a good time to think serious about disabling your A/C compressor. On my RX300 I simply unplug the refrigerant pressure sensor switch just in front of the radiator. In older models I always unplugged the A/C compressor clutch circuit.

    WHY ???

    Most modern day automotive A/C systems, most especially those of the automatic climate control variety, will automatically engage the A/C system to help dehumidify the incoming airstream (you wouldn't DARE be in recirulate at this point!).

    At moderately cool outside temperatures, down to about 45F, this can often be a great advantage. But below these temperatures the efficiency of the A/C to dehumidify the incoming airstream declines precipetously, until at just above freezing, ~35F, there is NO dehumidification capability whatsoever.

    With outside temperatures below 45F your system should never be in recirculate, and should ALWAYS remain in the mode wherein outlet airflow is significantly heated and routed through the footwell outlet ducts, with a portion bled off to the windshield defrost/defog/demist ducts. This latter air flow is there, by factory design, to help (hopefully) keep the interior of the windshield above dewpoint, the point at which condensation begins to form.

    If you have a manually operated system then it will be up to you to remember to monitor the outside temperature and be sure the system has the proper airflow routing, footwell only, as the outside temperature declines.

    If you happen to have one of the automatic climate control systems designed or manufactured by NipponDenso in Japan, or Denso USA, in the US, Toyota and Lexus for instance, it will be "biased" toward "cooling" mode (airflow outlet to the face and upper body) regardless of COLD outside temperatures and your personal discomfort due to radiant "cooling" from the COLD surrounding landscape.

    Again, it will be up to you, as the driver and therefore "protector" of yourself and your passengers, to be extremely vigilent and ALWAYS over-ride the system from "automatic" outlet airflow control mode, to footwell and defrost/defog/demist mode manually when outside temperatures decline below 45F.

    Now.

    If the outside temperature is below 45F and IF the interior of your windshield beings to fog over, even ever so slightly, you need to take IMMEDIATE action.

    1. Turn the temperature control all the way UP, to MAX HEAT.
    2. Turn the system Blower all the way to MAXIMUM speed.
    3. THEN....
         Change the system outlet airflow mode to defrost/defog/demist.

    So, why did this happen, why did the windshield start to fog over?

    First, let's assume you followed the above instructions and the system was in heating mode, footwell and defrost/defog/demist airflow mode, and NOT IN RECIRCULATE!

    At, say, 65MPH on a really cold day your windshield is being quite thoroughly chilled with the COLD airstream impinging on the outside at 65MPH even though there is a significant level of warming airflow from the system flowing its interior surface.

    But now you just picked up two sweaty and wet snow skiers and you're headed back down the mountain. Or you were headed up to the slopes and your passengers became stressed out (sweating profusely) due to the ice and snow covered roadbed and the sometimes unavoidable side-slipping of the vehicle.

    Moisture = higher humidity + a cool windshield surface = condensation.

    Cracking a rear window slightly will almost always help move the cool dry air through the vehicle.

    If you have not disabled your A/C for wintertime driving there may be yet another cause for the windshield fogging over.

    Your A/C system was running but now isn't.

    1. It may have shut down of it's own accord, automatically, a few moments ago, due to declining outside temperatures, 35F or below. Many modern systems will do this automatically, with no warning or obvious indication to the operator.

    2. You may have just previosuly used the defrost/defog/demist mode, unaware that this mode automatically activates the A/C system to assist in dehumidification. Once you return the system to normal operation the A/C will shutdown provided you have used the control functionality to turn it off.

    3. You may have just noticed that the temperatures have declined and manually turned off the useless A/C.

    But why would any of these actions lead to windshield fogging to the point of being a real safety issue??

    Long story, but first a short version.

    When the A/C is operating it will almost always "gather" airborne water vapor onto the evaporator vanes. As more and more moisture accumulates it will eventually become dropletts large enough that gravity overcomes viscosity and then run down the face of the evaporator and out the drain provided for this purpose.

    When the A/C compressor is first shut down the temperature of the evaporator surfaces will begin to rise. And remember ALL system inlet airflow, fresh and recirculated, comes through the evaporator. So that thin film of moisture, the film of moisture that had not yet gained enough mass to overcome viscosity, will begin to evaporate into the atmosphere within the passenger cabin.

    BINGO!

    Cold windshield, high atmospheric humidity.

    The windshield begins to fog over!

    Modern day exacerbating circumstances...

    1. New, less efficient refrigerant.

    With the advent of the use of the new less efficient refrigerants automotive designers were fored to come up with ways to make up for the loss of efficiency.

    The most obvious way, and the one most often chosen, was to make the evaporator itsself a lot more efficient. The evaporator in my 1984 T-bird had about 2500 square inches of evaporator cooling surface. The one in the newer vehicles is more typically in the range of 10,000 square inches.

    More evaporator surface area = more moisture left over to humidify the passenger cabin once the A/C is turned off.

    2. Reduce the cabin atmosphere's "exhaust" outflow.

    On a minute by minute basis, the less "conditioned" air that leaves the controlled environment the less incoming airflow that must be cooled.

    3. Lower the system blower speed.

    The slower the airflow moves through the evaporator vanes the more "heat" it gives up. A lower blower speed also results in even less exhaust outflow due to blower induced pressure differentials.

    The Lexus car series is very well insulated for sound deadening and wind noise. MY 92 LS400, in fully automatic mode, could be using recirculate for 90% of the flow in the winter or summer, with the indicator light showing "fresh" mode.
  • kbalchkbalch Member Posts: 19
    Why not just follow the instructions in the owner's manual and avoid all of the confusion? I for one, am not going to open the hood to pull a sensor for the winter. Maybe I don't need to in SE Pa.? I have just followed the owner's manual, and never had a problem. Yes I run the AC in the winter as needed to clear a fogged windshield. Also, I heard it is better to run the AC regularly to keep the seals in the compressor lubricated.
  • canwin1canwin1 Member Posts: 6
    My 2004 Highlander (B Package available in Canada, 6 cyl., leather heated power seats, alloys and more) will be here next week. The alluminin accents replace the wood. Do any of you know if you can buy the simulated wood piece that would cover the black plastic arround the A/C knobs (not climate control) and sound system dials? Where can it be purchased? This one piece would dress up the dash look.
  • 1sttimevolvo11sttimevolvo1 Member Posts: 189
    There's plenty of places on the web that sell simulated wood dash appliques.
    Try J C Whitney or Sherwood products, or do a google search of `wood dash kits'.
  • toyotaboytoyotaboy Member Posts: 3
    I am considering to replace the original Goodyear Integrity tires on my '02 Highlander V6 4WD. The tires are already showing sign of premature wearing after 21K miles. Their traction was bad even when they were brand new. I prefer Michelins. What would be the best all season radial (Michelin) for southern Great Lakes climate? Cross Terrain SUV, LTX, HydroEdge, or.... Thanks.
  • bobg18bobg18 Member Posts: 3
    I live in Florida (no hills /no snow)and I am considering buying an 04 FWD because of price, economy and the newly updated 160hp engine. I have read a few of the articles in this discussion on the 4 cyl and I am a little concerned about the vibration issues mentioned. But it appears that the revised 4 may have addressed this issue. Does anybody know?
  • biffy2biffy2 Member Posts: 14
    I was also dissatisfied with the Integritys on the Highlander so last week I bought Cross Terrains in the same size. It has rained here a lot lately and the Cross Terrains handle this much better. The car also tracks in a straight line more consistently. I can now go around corners without the feeling that I am rolling the tire off the rim. Noise is a little higher and ride comfort suffers a bit due to the stiffer sidewalls. The Highlander feels a little more "trucky which is fine with me.
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    I replaced the original Bridgestones with the Michelin LTXs at about 26,000. They ride very well and have excellent traction and wear ratings. They are a little cheaper than the cross terrains and were recommended for the primary highway travel that I do. I had a set of these on a 95 Windstar and they were great. The other set that I considered were Yokahamas, which are cheaper, but also get very good ratings at tirerack.com. They were not available locally.
  • grenedygrenedy Member Posts: 17
    I have an '03 4cyl FWD and have found that the vibration smoothed out some after 6000 miles or so. Probably still not as smooth as 6 cyl but better than when right out of the box. Also installed K&N air filter which may mean the engine breathes a bit better. The cost (both initial and gas) and overall efficientcy were also factors for me. Recently got close to 30 mph on a road trip. Average about 22-3 in town. Very pleased with the purchase.
  • bobg18bobg18 Member Posts: 3
    grenedy - thanks for your advise. One last question if you were buying the highlander today would you still buy the 4 cyl (any regrets?)
  • ch1133ch1133 Member Posts: 43
    If you are experiencing vibrations you should take your Highlander to the dealer for service under warranty
  • toyotaboytoyotaboy Member Posts: 3
    OK, I got Cross Terrain SUV and LTX. I just phoned to check the prices. LTX is only a few dollars cheaper than Cross Terrain. So price isn't a deciding factor. Michelin is calling Cross Terrain SUV, and LTX Truck. Going by the names, is Cross Terrain more suited for Highlander, which is a SUV? Does anyone know which one would be less noisy, or offer more comfortable ride?
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    The LTX may appear to cost less, but it only has a tread wear rating of 440. The Cross Terrain has a wear rating of 700, meaning it should last 1.6 times as long. My RX came from the factory with Bridgestone Dueler H/T's. I replaced them with Cross Terrains which were as least as quiet and had a more comfortable ride. The handling was much better. Tire Rack rates Cross Terrains at 8.9 for ride comfort and 8.7 for noise. LTX rates slightly below at 8.3 and 8.4. Integrity is at 6.7 for both. Bridgestone Dueler H/T is 6.9 and 6.2. My recommendation is go with the CTs.
  • angiepdxangiepdx Member Posts: 26
    I also would like to know if those that have bought a newer Highlander if they have been satisifed with it being a 4 cylinder. They think it was worth it? I can't make up my mind for sure on the 4 cylinder versus 6 on the 2004 Highlanders. The better gas mileage is one thing that is making me lean that way. But leaning me towards the 6 cylinder are like heated seats, a possible better resale value, bit more power, but again the worse gas mileage makes it tougher for me to feel like its really worth it (and of course the 6 cylinder is more money).

    Opinions please, thanks.

    Angie

    grenedy - thanks for your advise. One last question if you were buying the highlander today would you still buy the 4 cyl (any regrets?)
  • landdriverlanddriver Member Posts: 607
    Don't have the 4 cyl and thus can't comment on long-term satisfaction, but personally I would have opted for the 4 cyl if it had been available on limited models. During a test drive I liked the efficient feel of the engine -- acceleration was adequate (I'm not one of those guys who feels the need for zillions of horsepower under the hood), and the automatic transmission seemed to shift smoothly and efficiently, without the clunky feel of other automatics. Be sure to test drive the vehicle in the most severe power situations you expect to normally encounter (e.g., merging onto the freeway, going up steep hills if you will be driving in an area with such) and let other options determine your final decision (if you want the limited, then there's no choice when it comes to engine type). Also check-out previous discussions pertaining to the 4 cyl via the search feature -- most past posters seemed happy with their decision if memory serves correctly, and generally the Highlander 4 cyl is not viewed as being underpowered. (Once again, I'm sticking my neck out just a little here as I don't normally drive the 4 cyl.)
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    I don't drive a Highlander but here's the way I would view it: 1) you'll never wish you had less power than you do though there are occasions when you might wish you had more, 2) assuming a 4 mpg difference, 12000 miles/year and $1.50/gal, the cost difference is less than $200 for a whole year.
  • grenedygrenedy Member Posts: 17
    Undr same circumstances, I would definitely buy again. Wanted reliable SUV type vehicle W/O SUV price and mileage issues (traded '96 Eddie Bauer Explorer). The FWD 4cyl base best met my needs. I paid $1,000 under invoice in May '03 ($23K) with QO,AW,DR,HE,HP,MG,SP,SR,Z1. Its black with the grey cloth interior and looks great (I think the grey cloth goes very well with the "hammered metal" plastic interior trim of the '03). Have almost 7,000 miles on it, no problems. It has been a very good choice. If I had money to burn I prob would consider Lexus RX330 or new Cadilac SRX. Got to drive both 4 and 6 and decide. They are both good choices.
  • fvpfvp Member Posts: 147
    I drove both before purchasing our '03 HL 4WD and decided to go with the V6. My reasons:
    1. We live in Western PA where the terrain is mainly hills. Add one or two passengers, run the A/C, and your foot spends a lot of time on the floor. The V6 was substantially stronger all across the powerband.
    2. I average 21-22 MPG in "spirited" city/highway driving, so the gas mileage improvement of the 4 was not much of a factor for us.
    3. When it comes to resale value, 4WD and V6 are the only way to go around here.
    Please keep in mind that our reasons for choosing the V6 may not be valid for you. If you read through the postings here, you will find many satisfied HL owners with the 4 cylinder.
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