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I have 57,000 miles on my front/rear pads on my '06 EX - never had a thing done to the brakes.
Years ago when I ran a busy shop in CA, I would see people go 50,000 miles and more on their original brakes while others would burn up lining and pads in 10-15,000 miles.
True, some cars were worse than others. Especially in the "old days" when not all cars had front discs.
If you trade you old accord for a 08 09 10 Accord you will do a costly mistake as all of us thet we have those models.
Look NHTSA complaints, there is no car in recent history (last 20 years) with such many complaints about rear brakes.
Good luck
CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!!! :lemon: :mad:
Wow :sick:
Thats why my 08 Accord was such a piece of crap! Its Obama's Fault I should of known. Thanks elroy5
How's that hope and change workin for ya ?
I believe this is much of the reason why Ford is doing so well these days, because of the anti-bailout sentiment.
Consumers who traditionally favor American cars are walking towards Ford and away from GM and Chrysler because they took Government money - aka our tax dollars.
They have a nicer product, and are getting known for good quality.
Consumers are really only concerned with their own money. Very few people will actually spend more out of principal.
Although the bankruptcy (especially for Chrysler) is an issue, if you are worried about the company being around in the future!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The focus here is Accord Brakes and 80 09 10 Models suffer a lot
TSB 09-096 covers front brakes and if you have front brake problems dealers will not tell you unless you mention the TSB number then they will replace pads for free and resurface rotors for free
Nothing for rear pads brake yet
Honda will loose all repeated customers ... Honda's fault not owrs that we supported their products all this years
Just complain everywhere (e.g. congressman BBB, consumer affairs) till Honda USA act. They did in Canada and Honda Canada at least has to change pads for free if it is within 36K or 3 years
Lets talk about brakes not other things
Woody: I can only tell you my experience with my 08 AccordBrakes. At 19,000 miles the dealer told me that my brakes were fine even though my wife said that they were making noise. At 23,000 miles (next oil change) They told me that the rear brakes were shot. $280.00 bill that I told them that Honda would pay half and they told me no only Accords under 20,000 miles they would pay half so I think they are doing to you what they did to me and put you off till the magical 20,001 mile mark so they do not pay half. Thats is only my opinion and my experience.
Mrbill
When my rears went (at 40k), I had recently had an oil change, and the report said they were fine. Shortly after, I got new tires, and the guy called me in to see that it needed brakes.
What it actually needed (due to the poor design caliper) was 1 pad. The left side were fine, and the outer right (that the dealer checked) was fine. Only the inner pad was shot.
And I am pretty sure that had to be related to a hanging caliper, since I doubt i could only ride 1 pad down! Especially since I have a stick, so can't ride the brakes in the first place...
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
It isn't sad, it is just reality. Once someone is burned by a product and its corresponding manufacturer, such as you with your Ford(s) and hackattack with his Honda, people tend to feel betrayed, taken, had, etc, and thus often don't purchase from said company again in addition to telling as many people about their bad experience as possible. It is human nature.
accordguy0325 is correct. With my experience with Honda on the 08 Accord brake issue I spoke to them very clearly and slowly. I said I have bought a 2005, 2006 and 2008 brand new Honda's from them at a cost of over $75,000.00 dollars and you are telling me that you will not pay for 1/2 the cost of my rear brakes that you Knew were shot at 19,000 miles but did not tell me till 24,000 miles because you wanted to save the $120.00? I told them that I was going to trade in the Accord and WOULD NEVER BUY HONDA AGAIN!!! and they said I am sorry you feel that way. So I just tell people my experiance so that they know how arrogant Honda can be to let a customer walk over an issue that I should never of had.
Here is a couple of interesting thoughts that are open for debate and idea's.
1: "VSA" is a brake drag system to slow the wheel speed down when encountering bumps, holes, slippage from wet conditions or snow and ice.
Question: "What if our VSA systems are defective and are constantly dragging the brakes when its not suppose to be dragging the brakes?" (causing pre-mature wear and over-heating?) Its just a thought, but meanwhile until this pre-mature brake wear problem is resolved by Honda, I always drive with my VSA in the "Off" position since the car had about 1,000 miles on it (that's when I thought of it).
Only time will tell if this is meaningful.
2: My 2009 Accord is made in Japan (first letters in vehicle I.D....JHMCP and window sticker said made in Japan. In fact all 5 of my Accords were made in Japan.)
How many of you having pre-mature rear brake problems have American made Accords? ...versus....Japan made Accords?
My thought is this: Many years ago, the original reason why Honda's and Toyota's were so darn reliable versus American car manufacturers was the Japanese quality control at their plants and their work ethic was superior to ours.
So the questons is: Did the Japanese car companies cause their own reliability problems by placing their manufacturing in the USA and other countries?
A good friend of mine works at a Nissan/Hyundai/Honda dealership and his personal opinion is the Nissans have far more problems then the Hondas do. Sure, I'd be more then a little upset over the brake issue, but the alternatives could be worse. How would you be feeling right now if you bought a Toyota?
Mrbill
I disagree with the idea that Americans can't put a car together just as good as the Japanese. Both my 92 and 03 Accords were built in Marysville Ohio, and both have been very reliable, well put together cars. I don't see how the Japanese could have done a better job. I also owned a 97 Toyota, built in Japan, that had numerous issues (rack and pinion, starter, vibrations) in only 6 years.
:alternatives could be worse.
That's exactly what has Honda and Toyota in the position that they are in today. They feel like they can treat their customers like crap because what are you going to do? well I bought a Fusion and I did have that "what the heck am I doing" Feeling when I went to a Ford dealership but I have to tell you that the car rides much better and is actually fun to drive so even if I do get into a situation where I am going to spend $300.00 every 20,000 miles for something that should not be worn out I would still no regret my choice to stick it up Honda's rear.
Personally, I've owned Infiniti, Ford, Chrysler, and now Honda X2. I would say the Infinity was probably the best even though it was their basic entry level model, the G20. I had no problems for 6+ years with it so I cannot speak as to how they handle issues like Honda's brake wear. Like I said, other than the Honda, I was strongly considering the Altima so I guess I would still try Nissan/Infiniti. Even though Toyota did try to cover up their issues, I think they are doing things correctly now. Once their current issues are behind them, I think they will bounce back so I'd consider them as I think they will be strongly emphasizing quality and customer service in the future.
I think your vibration problems are either motor mounts or ELD (Electric Load Detector). I don't think the engine mounts need to be replaced, just adjusted. There was a TSB on it, but I don't know if I can find it now. My 03's brakes work fine, at 75k miles. I replaced the pads at 50k (rear) and 62k (front), but the rotors haven't been turned, and I hear no noise, and feel no vibrations at all. My car is a V6, so the brakes are a little different, but pretty close. Who did the brake service on your car? Sounds like they didn't know what they were doing.
I just installed the rear disk brake conversion and it works really good.
I left out the ABS like you said and the disk brakes works well.
I was thinking of changing the proportional valve and use a bigger
diameter rod on the master cylinder.
I know it's been about six months but I had a hard time finding a good set of the disk brake conversion parts.
Anyway thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it.
Mahalo,
94shadow
@ 12,821 miles they resurfaced front with on-car lathe, and a new pad set (n/c);
Car was inspected at 20,724 with same issues; road tested by dealer and brakes inspected but they detected nothing wrong (I brought the van in because going down into Yosemite Valley the brakes sounded like metal to metal and fadded);
At 29,181 and 34,170 after other episodes Honda inspected and found nothing wrong, at last inspection they "Molycoted Brakes. See how this works".
As we are getting ready to drive down to Spring Training I took the van to a mechanic we've used for years and asked him for a safety check and brake job. He reported the brakes are all at or above 60% (We have 52,000 on the car now)
The question is, what's up?
I believe the problems was that the pads were glazing? and scraping against the rotors.
Your other issue sounds like lots of weight + marginal sized car brakes = fade when working hard.
All brakes fade, but you are probably pushing 3 tons of GVW if you have a decent load of people and stuff, trying to stop with brakes basically sized for an Accord.
All brakes will fade after heavy use, some more so than others. Did the van still stop OK, just with more pedal pressure?
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