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I still think the Accord EXV6 had the best handling, but it also had the roughest ride (no surprise). Just comparing my values of ride versus handling I would rank the cars as follows:
1. Acura TL - 3rd best handling - 2nd best ride
2. Nissan Maxima SE - 2nd best handling - 3nd best ride
3. Honda Accord EXV6 - best handling - worst ride
4. Toyota Camry SEV6 - worst handling - best ride
They all pretty much come out as a tie in handling versus ride category. I still really like the Acura the best, but is it $6700 better than the Accord, $4500 better than the Camry, and $1200 better than the Maxima?
I am also not a big fan of the "ground effects" look of the Camry SE - call me a boring engineer!
I do wish they would offer some of the XLE options on the SE (dual climate control for one), or just give me an option of the suspension and handling of the SE on the XLE.
Thanks!
Mike
it still remains a car of interest to me
along with the TL and the Camry, although
the Camry would be way down the list for me
right now because you can't get Xenons on it.
I'm interested in seeing the interior on the
2007 Maxima. They're supposed to be
redesigning the dash and the instruments and
a minor freshening on the nose. The interior
is the one problem I'm not too crazy about
on the current Maxima. I know a lot of
people are very divided on the exterior
styling on the current Maxima, but gosh-darn,
every time I see that car coming down the
road, I think it looks pretty darned good!
Even CR rated some of the halogens on the market as providing better visibility than HID, not to mention without blinding your fellow driver.
Plus, for about $300, you can swap some MTEC 4500k HID's into the Camry with little effort.
Wow! You think that big plastic blob in the Maxima's grill makes it look good? I think it makes it look cheap.
A guy in my town has an aftermarket grill on his 05 Maxima that looks a hundred times better than the stock mistake.
New TLs can be had for $30k-32k if you're a patience shopper. I don't know what kind of premium you will pay with a 07 Camry over invoice, but it will sell for more of a premium because of the new design. You will still have a difference, but it may be narrower than $4k that you stated.
Premium fuel is a real issue, although you can use regular in the TL. The mpg may be slightly less, but not a dramatic difference. That's strictly a personal choice.
Actually people do buy the TL based upon looks because there are many reliable vehicles with a sport/performance emphasis to choose from. Some have more emphasis on luxury while others push the performance side. The deciding factor for many people is the looks. Or I should say the opening factor is looks because most people don't go very far in the process if the looks don't appeal to them.
I have an 01 TL which needed to have the tranny replaced at 103K. While it was in I also had the timing belt replaced. The bill was $995. Then again, here in NJ everything seems to be more expensive.
I use regular fuel in my TL since the prices went nuts, and I don't notice any real difference. I didn't know that could be done with the newer TLs. Thanks for the Info.
pt
with the xenons for four years. Every time
I drive a rental for trips or drive other
family member's cars that don't have them, I
really can tell a difference. Also, I rented
a Murano for a trip to South Florida to visit
family last month. It was a base one, so no
xenons. I was missing the xenon's from my
Maxima.
receiving a refresh on the front grill and the
interior dash layout. But, hey, you know, I'm
sure I'm probably in the minority on my
opinion about the current Maxima's front grill
but that has not been the drawback on this car
for me. It's the interior that I'm not too
fond of. The interior is where it seems
Nissan took some cost-cutting measures. I'm
interested to see how the refresh looks.
~alpha
Also, 07'Camry SE V6: 0-60 mph in 6.1 sec!
Source: Road&Track
The 06 Maxs though looked good, I felt they car was too heavy. My 02 was quicker than the 06's and 05 Maximas I tested.
06 Accord EX V6,, was simply too slow off the line for me.
06 A3, I liked this car alot... Might would have bought one if the gas and break pedal was not so close. My shoe would hit both petals at times.
06 2.0T Jetta,, liked this car alot. No complaints really,,just was not sure on resale..
06 3.5 Altima,, loved this car. Felt like my 02 max. Loved the low end take off power. Did NOT like the rear end. And felt silly going from a Max to an altima??
07 XLE v6 Camry, nice car,, but floaty for me.
06 Rav V6 Great all around car,, would have bought one if I found one with the options I liked.... But I was a little short of leg room...
07 SE V6 This car blew me away,, take off power, passing power, responsive shifting, handling, ride, JBL stereo, perforated leather, sunroof, and good looking in SE trim. Bought it,, though it's in the shop for transmission problems
Driving an rental 06 Cadillac CTS v6 right now,, it has two toned leather, sun roof, XM sat radio... It's a pretty car, but NOTHING compared to my Camry. The SE Camry rides better, handles better, BLOWS away the caddy in power, and the JBL sounds at least 3 times as good.
Toyota has offered to buy the car back if I wish,, but I can not find something I like better for the price... Not sure at this point what I will do.. But I will say regardless,, once Toyota gets these kinks worked out,, the 07 Camry is going to be hard to beat in it's price point. I actually "sort of" like the car a tad better than a G35. (Ok maybe I am stretching a bit far there,,, G35 sure is a looker and do love the G35's power.)
Think about this,, name another 14.5 (or better) qrt mile car that gets 22 and 32 MPG. Not to mention has 4 doors and one of the best sounding (in JBL form) stereos I have ever heard.
leasing mine and my lease will be ending
soon. Of the cars I've owned ('88 RX-7,
'95 Nissan Altima, '99 Nissan Pathfinder,
the '02 Max has been the most enjoyable and
so reliable. All I've done in four years and
60,000 miles was put new tires, new front
brakes and regular oil changes. That being
said though, the Acura TL is tops on my wish
list right now. I'm liking a lot of things
about this car.
The Maxima is still on my wish list also due
to my positive experience with the '02 Max
and I also had great luck with the other
vehicles that I mentioned above that I have
driven in the past 18 plus years. The only
negative in regard to the Maxima that I'm
wondering about is the fact that apparently
the 2007 Max is getting a drop in hp down
to 255 hp's (Same as '02 Max!) with a CVT
tranny. This bothers me somewhat because
the 2007 Altima is supposed to get more hp
than the 2007 Maxima. That's a shame because
from the looks of the interior and some
exterior freshening, the car might be a
winner otherwise. How is the 2007 Max going
to compete against the Avalon which has 280
hp's as opposed to 255 on the Max? Plus,
this is going to make the Altima and the
Maxima basically "new" model cars due to the
switch to CVT trannies. I try to stay away
from first year model cars. Gives them a
chance to work out the kinks.
I don't mean to drag this letter on too long
but I also have been eyeing the 2006 Jetta
2.0T or the GLI. My main hesitancy with that
car is VW's reliability and it's still a
little small for my taste. Who knows? If I
can't get a good deal on a TL, I may end up
with an Altima, if it ends up being the best
choice over the Maxima. We'll see. Stay
tuned.
I have owned 3 SE Max, 90 stick, 95 stick, 02 auto.
Was an 3 Nissan car/truck family till recently (bought two Toyota's), but still have our 96 Pathfinder 4x4 w/locker. (going to keep it till it dies, great for runs to the river.)
07 Max: I not sure if the 07 HP drop is due to CVT limits; or just the new SAE testing standards?
Jetta 2.0T or GLI. I did like that car,, it's a tad smaller. But so fun to drive, and priced well. It's not quite as snappy off the line as I prefer, but it's no slouch. And I really love that DSG transmission. Love how it has the sport mode. Tip if you drive one,, stick in in S. Really wakes up the car as it keeps the turbo spinning.
One good thing I will add on the 06 altima,, I have long legs, and the I was more comfortable in the Altima than any car I have ever driven. (the extra long telescoping steering relay did the trick)
Don't be a TL hater - anyone who says their new TL "rides like a truck" has never stepped foot in any Acura - and probably doesn't deserve to, either. Go play in the Toyota sandbox.
eseir, What are you talking about? Just look at the forum on prices paid 2007 Camry, people are paying as low as $100-200 dollars over invoice. Shop around.I was one of them, it was not that hard, I just picked up the phone and called around, talk to the fleet/internet manager of course.
If one feels that the TL rides like a truck, their prior car must have been an old Buick or Caddy. And, why would one buy a car if they feel it rides like a truck? Why not just buy a truck? :surprise:
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
What major Camry problems are you citing? The 6A issue has been thoroughly discussed and nearly all of the onwers who have posted here have feel they have been treated fairly in resolution of the Snap Ring issue.
~alpha
1) I paid $600 over invoice ($28,800) for my loaded SE V6 with Body kit, Navigation, XM Radio, Leather, Sunroof, Bluetooth, JBL Audio, Remote Start, etc...
2) The interior is as nice as a TL and the ride/handling/acceleration is on par as well. The dash materials may be slightly sub par in some opinions, but the difference is not worth $5k for a discounted TL w/Nav. To be a true apples to apples comparison you would need an A-Spec since the SE gets the body kit, different wheels, and sport susupension. Now you are easliy above $35k discounted meaning you are now $7k more than what I paid.
To summarize (and has been said several times) they may not be equals in all categories (mostly subjective ones) but definitely worth considering a cross shop like I did. I guarantee that Toyota didn't intend on the comparisons, but as one hwo was about to sign papers on the TL, I am happy to save several thousand for a badge.
To address the disparate warranties....you can buy the Toyota factory Platinum plan to extend the bumper to bumper with $0 dedcutible out to 7yr/84000 miles for under $1k meaning you can blow away the TL warranty and still save $6k.
Cheers!
I'm not sure how someone can mention Camry and TL in the same breath :confuse:
Rocky
Lets use objective measured facts to debunk your statement:
Road and Track road tests:
March 2006, Page 81:
2007 Camry SE V6
0-60 6.1
1/4 Mile: 14.5 @ 99.9 mph
Slalom: 63.6 mph
Lateral: .83g
Braking 60-0: 127'
2004 Acura TL (no performance change in current model)
0-60: 6.3
1/4 Mile: 14.8 @96.6 mph
Slalom: 65.8 mph
Lateral: .87g
Braking 60-0: 124'
Straight line edge to Camry, slight handling and craking edge to TL. I would argue that the advantages in either would not be percieveable to the majority of drives, therefore a performance comparison is most definitely viable. The new SE V6 is not just a Camry in terms of the general perception of a Camry. A loaded SE V6 (to the point of being a feature equal to the TL) is not in the reach of all (MSRP over $30k) but is still several thousand less than a comparably equipped and performing TL.
I have nothing against the car but to layout thirty big ones on a Camry would be absurd in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong- I like the car, as matter of fact I own a 1994 (first new car straight out of college)but it just does not make any sense to buy it at 30K- save up a few more thousand and get the Avalon.
I do own one of these things and here is a list of all the quality problems i've had with this poor excuse for a quality car:
ØDefective passenger’s leather seat the seat was replaced
Ø Current premature wear on the drivers seat
Ø Antifreeze smell in passengers compartment for the first 4 months of ownership {when using the heater} could not find problem
Ø Harmonic vibration (characteristic of the car) in drive train (Long term consequence of vibrations are not known Acura installed vibration damper in Sept 05 to cover up the problem, but the vibration is still there and not fixed
Ø Poor Tires Acura told me “they did not make the tires”- may contribute to vibration problem ..tires were replaced at 3k miles Acura scratched all four of my chrome wheels when changing tires.
Ø Defective transmission that was recalled (TSB) (2nd gear teeth can break from overheating and freeze tranny
Ø The car’s headliner was falling down Acura ordered and installed a new one after three visits and complaints
Ø Blotchy and discolored dashboard Multiple complaints
Defective passengers door panel replaced in Sept 05.
Ø Creaks and rattles in the cabin when going over bumps particularly when its cold out
Ø Defective memory computer unit for the drivers seat they replaced the computer unit that controls the seats.
Ø Rattles from glove box (I had to buy and install foam strips to stop the rattles)
Ø Broken windshield washer (blew fuse) ..
Ø The fuse box in my car, does not have a schematic all other tl’s do! (The service man told me to consult the manual)
Ø Temperature gauge is not accurate ..replaced but it’s still inaccurate (off by about 7 degrees)
Yea...i'd buy another one of these... :lemon:
one toward sporty feel one toward luxury feel. SE v6 just create an interesting situation, where a camry cross the bridge being as fast, almost as sporty, more comfortable, and cheaper to boot, leave tl with barely more than a badge to defend. tl was cross shop with accord EXV6, now just one more competitor from the other side.
at the end, they are just 20-30K cars, those "not in the same breath" denial crack me up.
I have to agree with you on the interior of the camry. I was looking into getting the 07 XLE v6 but the diarrhea yellow wood trim sickened me. Who is their decorator? The color scheme is all wrong. The center control cluster...OMG!!! what were they thinking!!!
I'd rather have a lesser interior that was free of rattles.
not to mention all the other problems and vibrations.
"The tl's interior (and exterior) are better than the Camry, but MY TL’s plagued with rattles and other noises (creaks) distractions that really ruin the experience.
I'd rather have a lesser interior that was free of rattles.
not to mention all the other problems and vibrations MY TL HAS EXPERIENCED."
My '05 TL has no "Harmonic Vibration" and the one rattle when the sunroof was in the vent position was taken care of at service (replaced the wind deflector). My leather after almost 18 months still looks great, a few wrinkles, but the leather in the Evil Wife's Lexus has 'em too! My dash did "fade," was restored by dealer and has "faded" again.
I very much enjoy my TL and would recommend it to anyone to consider when shopping. Father, brother and neighbor love their TLs, too. Acutally, they're becomming too common!
Tedescm1, unfortunately, got an early build :lemon:
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
TL vs Accord.
1. Share the same platform, however chases size is different both length and width. If it was not published by Honda, nobody would notice. Just like Infiniti M35 derived form the same platform as G35.
2. The powertrain is different, even though the engines have the same structure, the size is different 3.2 vs 3.0.
3. Exterior is totally different, front, back, especial the side. Bottom line, TL looks like Accord just like it looks like Camry. The only resemblance is the hood.
4. Interior has better quality materials and totally different layout. Some of the switches are the same, so I got to give you that. Accord does have outstanding interior also, but as a hole it dos not looks like TL’s.
TL might share some parts like fuses with Accord, but who care about that?
Camry vs ES
1. The same platform, same size same everything.
2. The same engine.
3. Exterior was changed a bit Front and back, the side of the care is exactly the same. You can take a door of ES and put it on Camry.
5. Interior is more luxurious in ES and it also look different, but some of the switches are the same.
Under the skin ES is exactly the same as Camry, everything is shared from fuse to the engine and chases.
Who’s in denial now? I’m not even going to performance as TL will live both Accord and Camry in the dust. And I’m not referring to 0-60 numbers, if you interested in that get a Charger.
Don’t get me wrong, Camry is the best selling BOAT in the country.
The numbers you posted for Camry are the best I have seen anywhere; TL tested by CD ran 0-60 in 5.9 sec. Also, TL is a 3 year old model and it’s way above brand new Camry.
Make no mistake, it is all about sales. And, Honda is going to do everything it can to outdo Toyota. One final question. How many of you actually race these vehicles to their full potential? There must be a few race car wantabies out there (scary). I'll take quiet and serene any day. Judging by recent Toyota and Lexus sales, that seems to be what the majority of buyers are looking for.
TL is the best selling car in the segment
BMW owner.