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Honda Accord vs Ford Fusion
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there are only a few posters here that own/have owned both. that is not everything, either.
personally, i liked the interior of the pilot much better than the accord.
Going by this logic, we would all be driving Ford Excursions. People want the safest car they can get "in the segment they are shopping". Even if you are driving something as large as an Excursion, an 18 wheeler is still going to smash you to smithereens. You have to draw a line somewhere. Are you going to drive around in an 18 wheeler, so you have an even chance with anything?
That's why I'm saying that any crash test rating is just one more safety factor, but it doesn't mean that a 5 star rated vehicle is necessarily that much more safe than a 4 star vehicle. It's just one score on one particular test. I'm not going to buy a vehicle JUST because it has a 5 star rating on a particular crash test, but if there are two cars equal in my eyes for a lot of other factors, then I'd go for the 5 star rating, all other things being equal.
For example, if the radio controls are too confusing on a 5 star vehicle, I'd rather drive a 4 star rated vehicles with very intuitive radio controls, since overly complicated controls can be more dangerous than the one star safety rating difference.
So the safety rating is just one more factor to compare cars against that's all.
FWIW - the radio controls are a thing of beauty in the Accord - really easy to use with very nice tactile feedback on buttons and good displays for everything. I'll freely admit though - the speakers could use an upgrade... and I'm no audiophile. Its also lacking in stuff like an aux input jack and CD text display capability.
Here's the deal - the point of this discussion is to compare the features and the attributes of the subject vehicles. If you do not agree that the vehicles are comparable, you are invited to look for other discussions which suit your interests. If you are unable to discuss the merits of the vehicles without slamming those who happen to see things differently, you are invited to not post at all.
We need to get this discussion back on track if it's going to remain viable. It's up to you folks.
Honda knows how to maximize it's excellent esteem from year to year, and this fall will be no different.
And if Ford decides to bring here new Mondeo it will be Acura TSX killer, let alone American Accord. Because it already outperforms and beats Accord in European tests.
Its already started with glorifying ’08 Accord even though nothing is known about it. But that Mondeo beats European Accord aka Acura TSX is very well known fact, it is not an “if”.
Also Mondeo's Duratec V6 with a 0 - 60mph in the high 7s is slower than a 4 cyl TSX.
Fusion Accord
Fusion Accord
If we're going to continue to go off-topic, we're going to wrap this up.
I put a sunroof deflector on my Fusion this weekend and wow! talk about style. Makes the car look even better. I'm now playing with either a bra or a bug guard on the front end. When I get both installed I will redo my pics on carspace... :shades:
I'd opt away from a bra - I've heard they do more harm than good by trapping dirt and water underneath.
Let us know what you decide...
thegrad
All advertising is self-serving though.
All advertising is self-serving though. "
Where does it say in this commercial they are "Ford employees"?? or they were hand selected? It doesn't. Quit spreading rumors. Fact is the Camry/Accord lost in this round of 600 people and their choice was the Fusion.
Are you saying that the Camry/Accord got lost among the 600 Ford employees doing this staged event?
Very nice of Ford - buy a Fusion, and you get a healthy dose of hot air complimentary to inflate your ego balloons. Quite a benefit for Fusion owners lacking in confidence. Well done Ford!
Fact is the commercial is paid for by Ford and the event was sponsored by Ford. Fact is the Fusion has AWD but no stability control. Fact is the NHTSA and IIHS both have statistics to show that electronic stability control saves lives. Fact is the Accord has VSA and better crash test ratings.
Its nice to compare the facts, don't you think? :P
P/S - This is indeed a forum, only, as far as I know, Ford doesn't own it.
That the statistics and ratings exist are definitely facts. Whether one vehicle is safer than the other overall in all real-world scenarios is still up in the air. Vehicles can be designed to perform well in the tests but poorly in the real world (not on purpose I hope), therefore those tests don't impress me. Moving a vehicle inches to the right or left of those crash barriers can change the results dramatically.
I do believe stability control is a good thing, moreso on trucks than cars however, but I wouldn't pass on a car because it doesn't have it. In fact I would rather have AWD due to the rain and snow we get in Southwestern PA than stability control. I still want both in a truck and do have both in our truck.
the ford fusion's duratec V6 gets 7.0 seconds with the latest PCM/TCM calibration with the automatic transmission
the 2006 acura tsx is 7.0 seconds with the manual and over 8 seconds with the automatic, while getting similar fuel economy and requiring premium fuel
sure the accord v6 is faster than the fusion in straight line but the fusion kills the accord in the twisties
Wanna run that by me again? TCM/PCM calibration? I didn't realize we were comparing stock Honda's to modified Fords. Seems like comparing apples to, well, apple pie.
Also, he wasn't talking about the Fusion in particular, but the European Mondeo.
I always felt like you had a hot-rod side...
it doesnt matter, the old calibration still beats the acura tsx auto by at least a second.
this thread is about the fusion
if he wants to talk about the mondeo, mondeo is even faster
http://motors.scotsman.com/roadtests.cfm?id=1996592005
it does 0-60 in 6.8 seconds with a duratec 30
all its got is a great engine
Everything else about the fusion is better, better heavier steering feel, faster steering ratio, SLA front suspension and more sophisticated multi-link rear suspension, stiffer chassis and better styling(more so in the milan)
But hundreds of thousands of Accord buyers know what makes them better than the Fusion. It'll only get worse for the Fusion when the 08 Accord arrives. Getting smoked by a 6 year old designed car hurts Ford. It'll only hurt more this fall.
Ford will figure out a way to make this a good thing.
It seems that only argument that Honda fans have is a sale number. Almost every post comes with that argument. McDonalds also holds leadership in sales. But no thanks - I will try fine restaurant.
Accords have been known to last a long time with people reporting up to 300+k miles and nothing more than routine wear and tear and timing belts.
Fusion reliability > Accord reliability
Case closed.
I suppose CR has psychics working for them!
Who's desparation led to this nonsense?
How you know that it is nonce? When reality does not fit into your ideology it is a nonces? Typical left wing thinking.
the accord has a harsher ride AND inferior handling which was wierd.
if you want to dispute it, lets race on CA-17 if you are in california.
We are all entitled to our differing opinions and that's something we all need to remember. Your priorities and preferences are your own; someone else is going to have a different set. Neither of you are wrong. You are just different, and that fact is why we have so many interesting vehicles available.
Its also well know for those that want to really toss the Accord around that two simple upgrades will really sharpen the car up tons... rear sway bar swap and front strut tower bar. The rear sway is the big difference. But yes, you don't get that stock from the factory, though anyone half handy can DIY the install and it will be under $300 to add both. The rear sway bar is one thing Honda could have done better on the Accord, but they probably wanted it to have more mainstream appeal.
Glad you got a car you like... but personally I'm not one for racing on public roads.
Ford Fusion is a MUCH more attractive automobile, inside and out.
The fit and finish (especially interior) on my 2006 Fusion is leagues ahead of that on my co-worker's 2007 Camry. He has a 1/8" gap between his A-pillar trim and his headliner. Oh, he also has a certain transmission/DBW problem that my 2006 Fusion doesn't have.
Ford Fusion won JD Power's APEAL award this year...Honda Accord and Toyota Camry did not.
Ford Fusion offers AWD...Honda Accord/Toyota Camry = nope. I'd rather have AWD that stability control anyday.
My Fusion doesn't look like it got punched in the nose (2007 Camry)...
I got my Fusion with all options other than leather and moonroof (dealer installed heated seats in cloth seats) for about 21,000...Honda/Toyota with the same options = nowhere near 21,000. The advantage Honda/Toyota have at trade-in won't make up the difference either.
Yep, I made the right choice.
Actually, that's not necessarily true. I know you mentioned you got your Fusion in 2006 and in that year, there wasn't a cheaper V6 Accord. For 2007, the Accord SE V6 compares favorably with the Fusion SE V6 FWD with similar specs.
I did build on Carsdirect for both the Accord and Fusion in my area, and the accord is $21.1k vs $20.6k for the Fusion. The extra $500 gets you stability control (not available in the Fusion. For the Fusion I added options for 17 inch wheels to match the Accord, ABS and traction control. All these options are standard on the Accord.
The two cars compare rather favorably in price. There's also a lease deal on the Accord SE V6 for 209/month 36 months/12k miles a year $2199 at signing. It works out to $270/month. The only Fusion deal going on is 249/month 39 months 0 at signing for a basic 4-cyclinder Fusion SE... for a little more you get to drive an Accord V6 with more standard features.
The Camry is in a different price range though. I leased my Accord and if I was looking to save money on a buy I'd probably have gone with a Hyundai Sonata since you can get a V6 Sonata under $20k.
Sorry, but the rest of the stuff about today's prices means nothing to me...I bought my car 6 months ago, not today.
Price aside, I couldn't buy a vehicle that made me vomit everytime I looked at it (camcord) so I went with the much more attractive Fusion.