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  • xxavxxxxavxx Member Posts: 6
    Hey Everyone,

    I'm glad that I found this discussion thread because I've been racking my brains about what vehicle would be best for myself. I am a 23 y/o female first time driver. Now that I am in my senior year of college I will need a car for travel to and from campus and to various professional events around the DC Metro Area.

    I don't know much about cars but I have been trying my best to figure things out and put two/two together. First off I only want to spend $10,000 after everything is said and done (it is all that I can afford). I would prefer a vehicle that is small since I'll have to park and drive within the city.

    I want something that will last me for at least 3 to 5 years or so because I have student loans to pay off and I want to take care of them before considering another vehicle :( And, a car that is cute would be quite nice as well. But, I'm not too big on power - I just need to be able to do the speed limit :)

    Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm going to a Credit Union New and Used Car Sale with my mother at the end of this month to hopefully find something - and I'm looking to be pointed in the right direction prior to doing so. Or, if I can possibly find a better deal in the area.

    Thanks in advance.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    While nobody would ever consider a Toyota Camry cute, it will meet all your other needs and be a good value. Get a 4 cylinder LE.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    The experience of one is by no means definitive but I owned a Camry (quite a while ago!) and never had ANY problems with it during all the years I had it.

    tidester, host
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    I don't know if you factored this in already, but if all you can afford is 10k then I would be looking at a 8k or 9k vehicle. Put the money you would be saving on payments into a seperate account for car repair and maintenance.
    Though for 8 or 9k you should be able to get a very nice vehicle that should much longer than 3-5 years.

    Also, since you are new to car buying...I would take an experienced person with you. Mark-up is high on used cars, so do your homework so you don't overpay.

    Cute? Whatever you find that is cute and reliable should work. Good luck.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • xxavxxxxavxx Member Posts: 6
    I have been looking in the range of 8k to 9k. I like the '05 Chevy Aveo but I have not seen much about it as far as reviews/opinons.

    About present mileage - I've read that the average is 12,000 per year but how many more miles are too many on any given vehicle?

    I'm reading up on several different makes and models ranging from '99 to '05. But, my mother is coming with me to the auto sale but I want to be prepared and have an idea of the vehicles I'd want and have all of my research in order.

    Thanks in advance, Angel.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Do yourself a favor and buy a new Corolla.

    Our credit union has those sales. These cars are not particularly good deals.

    The fact of the matter is that for high-quality, high-mpg cars, the demand on the used side is so high that you don't really save anything per mile or per month by buying them two or even five years old. The cost is lower, the repairs/maintenance are more, the insurance is the same (!), and the car will die N years earlier.

    Believe me, I've worked this out up one side and down the other... I've had plenty of great used-car deals, but (i) I kinda know what I'm doing, and (ii) I've had some clunkers in the mix, too. Some of my best deals and my cheapest cars for the long run were the ones I bought new.

    This goes for your Corollas and Nissan pickups. Cadillacs are different. But what you want is something that currently 40% of all buyers are looking for. What do you think that has done to prices?

    Good luck,
    -Mathias
  • xxavxxxxavxx Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for the advice.

    I would buy a new car if I had the money to do so but I'm only being given $10,000 and $10,000 only to work with. Because, to be quite honest I originally wanted a new Yaris but was told that since the value rapidly decreases on new vehicles I would not be able to get one and the fact that it was a little more than my given budget it was a no go.

    If, I could figure out a way to work a deal to acquire any of the newer vehicles within my budget I would.

    That's why I'm here :)
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    "I originally wanted a new Yaris but was told that since the value rapidly decreases on new vehicles I would not be able to get one and the fact that it was a little more than my given budget it was a no go. "

    Take out a loan, then. Put down $8, bank $2 for emergencies or whatever, and build your credit with an $8 or $9 loan over 5 years at $180/month or so.

    I hate loans myself. To such an extent that last year, I paid off a 0% loan a few months early. That's how much I disliked having a monthly payment. But sometimes it's the best way to go.

    This business with "value rapidly decreases on new vehicles" is baloney, esp. for high-mpg vehicles like the Yaris. If that were the case, you'd be able to get the $14 hatchback as a one-year old car (i.e. an '06) with 9k miles for $10k.

    But you can't. Neither can I. I bought a 2004 Pontiac Vibe in late '03 for $15,500 and sold it 30 months and 27k miles later for $11,500. That's $4 depreciation for almost three years... with full warranty etc. IOW $133/month for the best 30 months out of that car.

    You want a Taurus, I agree, get a used one. But the nice, clean, low-mileage Civics/Corollas/Mazda3's are of the can't-find-them, can't-get-them variety, and when you do find one, it's $2 off th price of a new one.

    Go ahead, try it out.

    If I sound like I'm preaching, it's cuz I have heard the "loses 30% of its value when you drive away" myth one too many times. 30% off sticker, maybe... but more like 10% off street price. Anybody who thinks they can do better buying used from a dealer is in for a surprise.

    Trust me on this, I've done it every which way and even made money on used cars. But I have on occasion lost a piece of skin, too.

    -Mathias
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    I don't like vehicles that have averaged more than 15,000 miles a year. Anything over 20k I wouldn't touch. Of course a lot depends on if they are highway miles, and if oil changes are done on schedule, things you may not be able to verify.

    Some people like getting high mileage vehicles because they can get then for thousands less than a comparable car with average miles. If that person only drives about 6k-7k miles a year...it can be a very good value getting say a 3 year old car with 60k miles. You get a car with plenty of mileage left on it...maybe save a thousand or two due to the high mileage depreciation.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • enkephalinenkephalin Member Posts: 2
    I am trying to find a good second car that will serve my needs for under $5000. Basically, what I want is something which will keep rolling for another 80-100k miles with a minimum of repair costs. My three requirements for the car are: A/C, cruise control, and automatic transmission. Beyond that, I'm open to just about anything.

    Any suggestions?
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    I would suggest a fullsize GM product from the late '90s with the 3.8 motor.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yup any GM H-body will fulfill those needs.

    Just avoid the Supercharged ones. You don't need to the extra maintance of the SC motor or the reduced MPG.

    Possible vehicles would be.

    Pontiac Bonneville(MY personal favorite)
    Buick Park Avenue
    Oldsmobile 98
  • enkephalinenkephalin Member Posts: 2
    What kind of miles should I look for at that age? Below 100k? Any thoughts on an import of some sort or another?

    In an ideal world, I'd like 30 mpg.
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,067
    For better gas mileage go a little smaller. Buick Regal or Century. Another possibility: Mazda Protege.
    Sometimes you can luck out with miles. My son got a '98 Buick 2 years ago with only 40,000 miles! But more likely, you will be looking at one with 80,000 or so. I bought a Toyota Camry with that many miles with no hesitation; cost more than $5000 however. It now has 115,000 with no problems whatsoever (knock wood). Camry will get 30 mpg (the 4 cyl) but it will be hard to find one at $5000 or below.
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    You will probably find lots of buicks and oldsmobiles with less then 100k as they were probably driven by older people who did not put a lot of miles on the car.

    I could get over 30 mpg in my bonneville but it was a 1989 model that was much lighter then the late 90's version of the bonneville.

    My best ever mpg for a single trip was 40.1 mpg on a perfect cool fall day right before thanksgiving one year.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    I've had a pair of '92 Olds 98 Touring Sedans. Surprisingly, the supercharged version got better highway mileage (once recording 32 mpg) but required premium fuel. The regular (normally aspirated) one would get 30 on the road all day long.

    Best thing to do is buy one from a private (and original) owner who has the service history. It's likely that most of the things that fail (water pump, alternator, etc.) will have already been replaced and you'll have many happy miles if it doesn't have much over 100K on it when you buy it.

    Really, just about any GM with the 3.8 is a pretty good value used.
  • nygoldengirlnygoldengirl Member Posts: 3
    We owned a mint 1996 Ford Bronco and used it out West. We also own a Nissan 300zx. I drove the Bronco with no trouble on highway, cross country, etc. When we moved back to NYC, I honestly panicked at the idea of parallel parking this huge truck with non-foldable mirrors and threading through double parked streets, and unfortunately, my husband had to sell it. I need another car, I really want an SUV and prefer 4WD or AWD over FWD. The Z is a no-winter-driving car, period. I want a used SUV. The new compact SUV's, like the Santa Fe, the RAV4, the Forrester, etc., all seem to have gotten almost as big and long as my old Bronco (it was 183" not counting spare on back) and 79" wide (not counting huge mirrors). the Bronco was also very tall, 74", which throws off your line of sight when parallel parking. I handle a car well, but the Bronco just seemed too huge and looking for a space it would fit in would be a nightmare (I have a permanent parking space when not using it). What can the readers suggest that would be an SUV (used) with decent off road capability (if needed) and also is not difficult to parallel park or navigate narrow city streets? Feedback is welcome, since I now have no winter car.I may have an opportunity to buy a used Santa Fe, but if it is FWD, I don't need an SUV, and anyway, I am uncertain as to how big the older ones were. I am willing to take the time to look for the right thing.
  • ddunbarddunbar Member Posts: 31
    A Subaru Forester is small with AWD. Seems it should meet your needs.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    The smallest SUV that I know of is the new Suzuki SX4.The top of the line Sport is an auto., AWD Check it out here at Edmunds. I believe it comes completely "loaded" for less than $19,000.00. (I do not work for Suzuki, but have been checking out small SUV's and the PT Cruiser and HHR.
    HHR-176 inches long
    RAV4-181 "
    HondaCRV-181"
    Mariner-175
    PT Cruiser 168"
    Suzuki SX4-164" so it is the shortest of the above.
  • asafonovasafonov Member Posts: 401
    I don't live in NYC but get to visit often... and based on what I see, if I had to have a car there, I would go for (a) smallish and (b) beat up or at least somewhat used. No SUVs for sure! Maybe a newish Vibe/Matrix, Legacy/Outback?
  • redshoe9redshoe9 Member Posts: 16
    I own a 03 Murano and love it but I'm looking for something a little roomier. I would like the interior space and cargo room of a mini van but with the styling and ground clearance of an SUV with the comforts like I had in the murano. I'm also keeping an eye on gas mileage.

    Does this vehicle exist?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Older Mazda MPVs that had AWD as an option were like that. Don't think they have made that style in a while though.

    Ford's new fairlane concept might be sort of like that but it is a few years off.
  • xxavxxxxavxx Member Posts: 6
    Thanks a lot for the advice. After some talking with my mother we decided 12K would be better for finding a good car. So, we're working out way through a short list to see if we can find a good deal prior to the car "show" at the end of the month.
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Member Posts: 867
    Take a look at the GMC Acadia/ Saturn Outlook when they hit the market later this fall. Larger that the Murano and the EPA mileage ratings are higher than the Yukon/Tahoe. http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/12/2007-gmc-acadia-revealed/

    http://www.gmc.com/acadia/

    Buick will also have a version early next year named the Enclave http://www.buick.com/enclave/

    I think I will like these, but am waiting until I am able to test one out to make my decision.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    I would like the interior space and cargo room of a mini van but with the styling and ground clearance of an SUV with the comforts like I had in the murano

    I know this is a stretch but I was in one the otherday and was impressed....Mercedes R-class.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Did you drive it????

    OMG most painful modern car I have ever driven. We took one in trade with only around 1000 miles on it. Anything you can lease for 399 a month when it has a MSRP of 60,000 plus has to be junk.
  • redshoe9redshoe9 Member Posts: 16
    Does anyone know what SUV has the most leg room between rows of seats? I noticed that most mini vans have 42 inches but my murano is at 36ish....I'm really all about the leg room
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Just on my list of SUVs I compare against the LR3 only the Merc Gl450 and Audi Q7 have 40 inches or more rear leg room.

    I am only comparing mid and full sized luxury SUVs though.
  • exb0exb0 Member Posts: 539
    I would like to know where I can lease on for $399. According to the mbusa.com, base model with no options is leasing for $593, MSRP $44475.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    There is still plenty of profit left in the deal for the dealership in that 593 price.

    Also it depends on the mileage and term of the lease as to what your payment will be.

    One of my clients works for the local MB/BMW dealership so on the right R-Class you can get down to 399 or so a month.
  • _wraith__wraith_ Member Posts: 16
    I'm looking for a new vehicle. Possibly low-miles used.

    Requirements:
    4-5 doors, compact to midsize (sedan, hatchback, small wagon, maybe compact SUV), FWD, Auto, ABS, side airbags, power windows/locks, remote entry, traction control. Stability control and remote start would be a plus. Fuel efficient (30+MPG HWY). Smooth/quiet ride. Good safety ratings. Passenger room not a big priority, but would like enough room to haul stuff if I need to.

    Say $15k to $22k (US)? Something that feels a bit more than an "econobox," without breaking the bank.

    Currently Driving:
    2.4L Cavalier LS, which has most of the options mentioned above, save for the side airbags, remote start and stability control. Looking for something a bit quieter, safer, more refined.

    Thoughts:
    Have been going kind of back & forth in my head with this one. Doing some online research and driven a few (Vibe, Maxx, Rabbit). Currently thinking maybe Malibu sedan LT w/ options, or low-end RAV4 for a lot more room. Can't seem to get traction control in a new Accord or Camry below $25k. Same with the new Aura. Vibe seems so pricey with all the options; doors felt a little flimsy, though I like the form factor. Not sure about Civic. (Wasn't encouraged by some of the Civic threads about the A/C.) No traction control in Civic. Malibu Maxx maybe, though it loses some mileage compared to the 4-cyl sedan. (RAV4 has similar mileage to Maxx, but a lot more room.) May test drive the Versa, though its seats don't really fold flat, and no traction control. Probably won't be buying VW, as dealer is about 3 hours away. Focus, Cobalt, and Corolla have traction control available as an option.

    Anyway, looking for opinions on what models to look into, based on the above criteria. Thanks in advance.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    How about the Mazda6/Ford Fusion. I had a Mazda6 wagon with the 6cyl. and averaged 22 mpg in mixed driving. With the sedan you can get the 2.3l 4 cyl, and I believe traction control is comes standard.

    My other though is the Chevy Impala, a little bigger than the others you were looking at, but the deals are pretty good on them right now. I think highway mileage is close to 30.
  • ddecker5ddecker5 Member Posts: 20
    We currently have an 02 Tribute that suits our needs fine(for now). Once May comes around, we will be hauling around 3 car seats. What are some vehicles that will hold 3 car seats(minivan or SUV). I like our Tribute, but I think that 3 car seats will be tight.
    I'd like to keep it under $10,000.

    Thanks in advance

    Dennis
  • nygoldengirlnygoldengirl Member Posts: 3
    I agree that a USED car is the best choice, in fact I would not even consider a new car for several reasons: they depreciate immediately, they are very expensive today for what you get, and if you use a car at all in the city, at least if it is used (but of course in decent condition) you won't be terrified every time you drive it or park it that you may get a scratch or nick. As far as a 4WD or AWD SUV, once you have had one, you like the versatility, and at least if we get a bad storm, it is superior (I think) to FWD. It also can go off road in other situations. Small and used, definitely! Thanks.
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,067
    Third child = MINIVAN!! Not only for the room for the seats, but you can move fighting pairs apart, have room for their friends which you will inevitably be carting around, and a little space for yourself! There is just about a 10-year minivan period in people's lives who have more than two kids.

    Any used Honda or Toyota minivan will be good and last a long time. If your other two children are still small, the Mazda minivan is nice, but remember that all of them will grow and some may have tall friends!
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • ddecker5ddecker5 Member Posts: 20
    Should I go for a 2nd row bench seat that will fit 3 car seats? Or are their other options?
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,067
    If the older two are not twins, I assume the oldest one would be switching to a booster seat soon. A booster seat is not hard to put in either the front or the back row. The advantage of a two-seat middle row configuration is that you can usually reach the back row very easily.

    But when you shop, bring all three seats and go with what works easiest for you. You will find that some are easier to navigate or wider than others.
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • xxavxxxxavxx Member Posts: 6
    Quick Update:

    I ended up buying an '06 Scion xA with less than 5K miles on it.

    Thanks for the advice everyone!
  • poorbuyinewbiepoorbuyinewbie Member Posts: 8
    I have a '99 Chevy Prism with 82,000 miles on it. I have $2,750 left on the loan. This weekend, I hope to go look at "newer" used cars. I was looking for some advice.

    I like to buy American, if I can. I really like the Chevy Equinox and the Pontiac Vibe. My concern with those two are getting one in my price range (I like keeping payments at $200/mo.), and gas mileage. :shades:

    I have my needs and wants list, and I am a strong negotiator. I am just looking to see if anyone else has any suggestions or recommendations of cars I should look at.

    FYI, I have test driven Saturn in the past. No way. (can't stand the ride).

    Thanks! :)
  • poorbuyinewbiepoorbuyinewbie Member Posts: 8
    I thought I would add in a little info as to my negotiating skills. The '99 Chevy Prism was marked at $12,000 in 2002, when I bought it. It had 29,000 miles on it.

    I was able to get it for approx $12,000 (200/mo for 60mo) with financing and an extended 10yr 100,000mi warranty. ($1,500).

    Anyway. I appreciate any suggestions of what I should look at thanks!
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    I would be most interested to know whether your extended warranty turned out to be worth the expense.

    While I realize that the two are related, suggest you shop price rather than monthly payment. Decide how much vehicle you can afford - it sounds like $10,000 (financed) plus the value of your trade plus any other down payment money.

    The two vehicles you have under consideration are rather different in size. The Vibe seems to be a pretty good car and value. Don't know that the same can be said about the Chevy, at least not yet.
  • poorbuyinewbiepoorbuyinewbie Member Posts: 8
    I can say this about my warranty. My struts started to go. My auto shop got two covered, had a buy three get one free = I paid for 1 and got all 4. When unexpected stuff like that came up, I was very happy. $ 4 $ I don't know that I got the money of the warranty in full, but the peace of mind was really nice, and I would do it again. My only complaint is that you need to have an auto shop that knows your warranty (ie most are not wear and tear) and to know how to say something "broke" and not from rust and such.

    My muffler wasn't covered when it fell off, which was frustrating, but other stuff like lights and things were.

    I know that everyone shops on price not payment, but I don't see why. I know that I want $200/mo for 60mo, 66 tops. That is going to equal a price no matter what. By shopping by payment, I let the dealer think they can be creative, when they still have to come to the end that I want.

    That's what happened when I bought this car anyway. The dealer started to come down, and then more. He told me the warranty came out to about $30/mo. That told me that I needed payments at $170. By the time he got to $172, I stood up and started to say "thank you, but no thank you." My mom dropped her jaw that I was going to leave, but the dealer didn't let me go anyway. He said "ok, I'll eat the $2" I said "good let's add the warranty and sign".

    I hope to have that kind of success again this time.

    I see your point on the differences between the vibe and eq. I am mostly interested in your (or anyone's) opinions on any other cars that I might want to look at, in my price range and needs.

    Thanks! :D
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    Your experience illustrates why it it best to shop price, rather than payment. Payment interjects another variable into the transaction because the dealer has different lending sources (with different rates) and they get a cut.

    Now, that's not to say that you can't get the best available rate at a dealer - I just bought a new car with manufacturer financing of 0% interest for 72 months. There's nobody else who'll loan me $31,000 plus on such terms. However, with a used car, shop elsewhere for a good rate and have your financing lined-up when you get ready to buy. Worst case then is that the dealer will match what you've come up with. Perhaps they will beat it. Either way, you'll be ahead.
  • smiller502smiller502 Member Posts: 1
    I need to carry 6 passengers just once a week,and need a vehicle with good MPG--Does it exist? I presently drive a Suburu Forester, but was told no one can legally ride in the back space, so I need to expand!
    Thanks for your advice.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    What about a Mazda5????
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    Wraith...

    I highly recommend that you look at used higher-end cars. A 1998 S class, for instance(the last of the handbuilt squarer designs) runs less than 20K and is as solid as a tank.

    Or you can look at something like a two year old Lucerne CXS. This is a budget Cadillac with a Buick nameplate. Or you could get a nice used GS300 for this much as well - and it's worlds better than your current car. So much so that it'll feel like going from a VW Bug to an Accord.

    Let some other fool eat the depreciation. Seriously. Less to insure, register, and most of the big sedans get 25-30mpg highway.

    New? Only two come to mind, really. A RX-8 is #1 on my list. Right now, last year's model is selling for about 20K, and it's definately a car that you'll keep long enough to make depreciation moot.(and the used ones sell for barely less than the new ones). Also, the engine is prone to being abused, so you want it new to properly break it in and maintain it. Possibly the best deal out there for the buck, new(with one exception). Oh - the idea is to get a base model, very few options.

    The other is a Mini. the 2007 model is coming out soon and if you buy a base model with only a few options on it, you should be at about $18K. You can drive it for three years and sell it for maybe 2-3K less than your bought it. It's not a great car, it's just in a unique position of hardly loosing anything in value.

    #3 would be a new Accord VP. ~$16K, and all you need to do to make it drive and be like a top-end Accord is have them put the rear swaybar back in and add a couple of speakers in the rear.(pre-wired, stupidly simple).

    Other than that, definately used.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    The MINI is not a great car??

    It is an amazing car.
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    Considering that the Fit beats or equals the base Mini in almost every tested manner(0-60, slalom, turning radius...) It's not a fantastic car. The thing is, it feels like it's going fast and doing well, but it's not even close to something like a stock Miata(roughly the same price range). It's a very finely crafted illusion of handling and quickness.

    The real thing it has, though, is the following. And that means very low depreciation, if any. Now, the new 2007 models(2nd generation design) will cause a huge drop in values, so the smart thing to do is wait 1-2 months until the new models are out. The 2007 models will hold their value like the originals did.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Actually no one knows what will happen when the 2007 MY cars come out in a few months. The previous Gen models might drop in value but if they NEW new MINI is not well recivied then the values won't drop.
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    True, but from what I've heard, it's going to be a better vehicle all around - and even collectable first generation cars take a big hit when the new thing comes out. As long as it's not a total disaster(which it certainly won't be) - the smart money is on a base model new one. Bigger engine, better equipped, and less depreciation.
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