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So, if I had a new '04 Denali I'd find a GM parts guy who could give me all the part numbers for an '03 cooler. Then I'd order it and have it installed. OR, I'd buy a better, bigger cooler in the aftermarket for far less money. I sure as heck wouldn't expect an automatic tranny to hold up to moderate service w/o a cooler.
maico1--not disputing the info you provided, but if such were indeed the case (KNP being standard with trailering package), then why would the non-RPO update (which I referenced in my post #2331) specifically mention the fact that--among other things added and/or deleted--the tranny oil cooler was deleted for the '04 Yukon Denali/Denali XL? If it's still standard, then why would the non-RPO update mention anything about it at all?
Not trying to be argumentative, but something doesn't make sense; in any case, I'll have a better idea later on when I go check the codes in my glovebox...
On a somewhat related note, it appears that the '04 Denalis also come with an auxiliary engine oil cooler--RPO code KC4, which is also listed on my glovebox sticker.
Again, I'm only assuming that both coolers are there based on the sticker; I haven't physically checked underneath/up front to see if either or both coolers are indeed there.
And don’t get me started about my 04 not having the locking rear end how does Stabilitrac take the place a locking rear end. IT DOES NOT. Try this test put two tires (drivers side) on ice have the other two (passenger side) on dry pavement ease on the gas and you will go nowhere. Makes no sense. If you had locking rear the axle would lock and you are moving. Seems simple to me!
Thanks in advance for any feedback!
Thought it might be the gas cap being loose.
Stopped to fill up the tank for the first time.
and like the 01 XL attempted to "hang" the loose cap from the bracket on the back of the gas door, didn't reach. Hmmm, was I doing something different.
Then I went to insert the cap to prop the gas handle, so that I didn't have to stand outside in 5 degree boston weather, while waiting to fill up.... still too short....
is this me, or is this a know feature?
Is everyone's gas cap tether too short?
They never think such a little thing would be noticed...this just shows they're wrong.
My tether, however, seems about the right length.
It would appear, getting over ten grand off sticker and a cooler made my decision to grab an 03 a sound choice.
The gas cap teather on the 04s should be mounted to the gas door, so the teather doesn't have to be as long. Of course, it may not hold the pump on anymore.
Not being able to use the cap as a wedge to hold it open, will keep more people holding it by hand. What a pain, especially when it is -10 degrees during the winter monthes in upstate NY.
Dave
1) Yes it is indeed shorter on the '04 Denali--another one of GM's cost-cutting measures
2) Spot-checking of another '04 Denali on the lot revealed that the tether was attached to a small hole on the back of the gas door; however, the service tech stated that that isn't where the shorter tethers are actually supposed to attach to; the original location is indeed supposedly the correct one, short tether and all. I could sorta believe this because I had attempted to relocate the mounting pin/tab that attaches the tether from its original location next to the nozzle opening to the back of the gas door. Although I was able to do so, the outer plastic sleeve that locks the pin in place got scrunched to the point where the pin that goes into it would not stay in securely. When I pulled the sleeve back out I noticed that it indeed got scrunched, apparently due to the fact that the hole in the back of the gas door wasn't deep enough to completely accomodate the sleeve without damaging it.
3) Given #2 above, the solution for securing the gas cap while refueling (if you don't need to use it as a nozzle wedge) is to hook the lip of the gas cap onto the bracket found on the back of the gas door. Although not as elegant as looping the tether to the bracket a la '03, it is an acceptable and workable solution as it does not get in the way of the nozzle and of course, will not be hanging off the side of the vehicle, possibly marring the finish/paint in that area.
For those of you who have a need to use the cap as a wedge to keep the pump nozzle open...well, I dunno what to say, but for the most part isn't usually an issue since most pump nozzles these days have a latch to keep the nozzle open.
(I do realize that in the 3/4 ton models using the 8.1 engine, an Allison tranny is available, but we aren't discussing that here.)
I recently put a set of XTX on my Sonoma and they are a huge improvement in handling and no more noisier than the original Uniroyals. I mention because the Sonoma is definitely an opposite in ride, quiet and comfort from the D.
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/transmissions/hydra/app- s/4l60.htm
The Denali uses the 4L65-E to handle the extra torque and towing rating of the 6.0L. These are great transmissions and is why Mercedes and BMW OEM variants of the hydromatic tranmissions in some of their v-8 products.
Denali Tranny coolers. The posts earlier seemed a little bit like debating how many angels could dance on the head of a pin with no one apparently knowing what a cooler looks like and/or where it is mounted.
Therefore I ask How many people on the board have 2004 Denali (shorty) with RPO-KNP in their glove box yet have no cooler. By the way, I had my salesman (all the time him bragging that he knows everything about Yukons) show me that the A/C condenser is the tranny cooler. Idiot.
Thanks for your help!
FWIW, the aftermarket (maybe B & M Transmissions) sells not only super duty tranny coolers but nice external, spin on tranny filter kits. I think if one were to pull a horse trailer or a large boat regularly this would be worth adding on. If just $150 worth of a filter kit and filter changes prolonged the tranny life by 15K that would be well worth it. (And you probably would no longer own it at that point.)
I've had both styles.
Rigs often have both tranny and oil coolers integrated into the single radiator.
Thanks!
If my quick look at Edmunds TMV is correct, it looks like the Denali holds its value well and the used market isn't valuing it as a tarted up Tahoe/Yukon. Or, am I preaching to the choir?
Now here is where it gets interesting. A silver Denali is worth $120 less while a silver Tahoe/Yukon is worth about $20 more. What, the presumably lower income Tahoe/Yukon buyers like silver more? In black it is reversed: a black Denali is worth $44 more and a black Tahoe/Yukon is worth $40 less. The Eddie Bauer Expy color-adjusted transactional prices track better with the Tahoe/Yukon than the Denali. This probably isn't a surprise because the sale prices are similar and presumably the buyer's income, education, etc.
While numbers usually don't lie, I see a lot of silver cars in rental fleets and those guys buy with resale in mind.
BTW, are you an Ivy League Filipino? Just curious as my wife is from Mindanao (thus the flag choice).
I"m suprised though that no one commented that the (presumably) lower income Tahoe/Yukon/Expy buyers preferred the silver not the black, red and not the white compared to the Denali buyers. There's got to be a Master's Thesis is these data for someone.
I agree, the new SBM color GM has is almost just as pewter as last years.
Blockislandguy,
Not trying to start an argument, to each their own but why would you say that buyers of the Tahoe/Yukon/Expy make less income (presumably)? Maybe they just have other things they would rather spend it on...like whatever they tow or the place next to the lake or in the mountains they tow it to. Just curious. By the way, I choose a 4WD Burb w/locking diff over the Denali. My uncle has the Denali XL in the family.
Some people, like myself, might value a home over vehicles (we put more of our available money into our home and have so far lived with only one vehicle for our 4-person family - 2 drivers).
My neighbor owns a maybe $300,000 home (this is Texas so the value is really good!) and has probably $120,000+ in original-cost vehicles for his 3-person household (3 vehicles for 2 drivers).
You will find some very wise investment folks with resources way beyond what I will ever accumulate who drive 10-year-old cars because they aren't unduly influenced by status vehicles' allures.
I would also hazard a guess that far too many people are "upside down" in their vehicles perhaps in foolishly trying to drive beyond their means.
It all makes me remember what Mom said the word "assume" breaks down into.... ;-)