Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • john1250john1250 Member Posts: 3
    In my opinion the best combination would be a L with a stand alone sunroof option. I love the gold and blue colors you can't get with the premium package. Also I think the dark gray cladding is more attractive than the lighter colored S. I'm not sure if an aftermarket sunroof would affect resale value plus or minus.
  • rsheldon1rsheldon1 Member Posts: 9
    I have owned my new Forester I for about 6 weeks now and will turn 4000 miles this weekend and I can't be more happy with the vehicle. I have a 32 mile drive to work that is all highway but this vehicle is fun to drive. I must admit it could use a little softer seats for the long road trips but I don't take too many of those. The reasons for choosing the Forester were I wanted all wheel drive for the Winter and my 11 degree slope driveway and I wanted fuel economy and it has lived up to the demand. I have not had the opportunity to drive in the snow yet but I can wait for next Winter for that but the Forester climbs right up my driveway, which is gravel, without missing a beat. This vehicle has been one best investments I have made in the purchasing of a vehicle and I plan on keeping it for 10 years. Thanks for all the great information posted on this site.
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    There is a new and quite comprehensive Forester site that was introduced in the i-club.

    Check out www.foresterperformance.fanspace.com. Lots of really good stuff put out in a really nice site.


    Just passing on some info yall might like! :)
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Nice work on the website! I like the idea of having a common area for Forester tuning!


    BTW, you may want to include the new STi II Forester as well:


    http://www.subaru.co.jp/forester/sti/sti.htm


    Ken

  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ed- I'm with you buddy.... the right side of my brain says that the Forester is far more practical but the left side keeps whispering that 62 more horses under the hood would be awesome! For the time being the right side is winning out (of course all bets are off if I'm ever foolish enough to test drive a WRX wagon). However, It'll be interesting 18 months from now when the 2003 models are out. Hopefully the minor complaints about the WRX (heated seat option, outside temp, el cheapo visors, etc) will have been addressed and the asking price will have dropped closer to invoice. The new Forester should also be out then with its increased horsepower. Choices could definitely get interesting. Still, I can't imagine trading the Forester so soon. Of course the wife's Accord is a possibility ;-)

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Performance mods can hurt resale, but I think a moonroof boosts resale even if it's aftermarket.

    Glad to hear that update, Richard.

    DOH! Yet another sweet Forester we cannot have. That's it, I'm moving to Japan! Wait a second, I can't speak Japanese... ;-)

    Frank: good thinking. I can sell my wife on a turbo Forester. Heck, she stole mine this morning before I could get to it. I'd trade in her 626 for 2003 Forester S Premium turbo 5 speed.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    My wife also has an Accord - with 155K+ miles on it and still going strong, though paint is fading badly. She hasn't been actively shopping but is considering another Accord. She made a comment to me a few days ago along the lines of "Why do you have to LOVE your car? Can't you just consider it a means of transportation?" Then how do I explain my '63 Studebaker? Oh well.

    I can't imagine the new F's horsepower approaching WRX levels - why cannibalize sales? - so I wouldn't expect over 200bhp in the next version. I have a copy of a British auto mag in which Prodrive (who builds Subaru's WRC cars) upgraded a Forester Turbo S from 168bhp to 195bhp, all covered by Subaru UK's factory warranty. I'd be very happy with 195 in mine.

    juice: I wouldn't plan on making any performance mods that I couldn't reverse prior to resale. Unbolt the exhaust and STi sway bar and pull out the Amsoil filter; bolt up the factory exhaust and the 13mm sway bar and pop in the paper filter - all done in about an hour or so.

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ed: I'd even like to see the 168hp Forester GT (that's what they call the 2.0l turbo with that power).

    Even though it only makes 3 more hp than ours, it makes a LOT more torque, and lower in the rev range, to boot. It's more than a second quicker to 60 and the 1/4 mile.

    I drive my cars into the ground, so being able to sell it is not at all a concern.

    -juice
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    I too prefer the darker, scratch resistant bumpers and side cladding of the Forester L...which is why I bought one in Blue. It would be nice to have some of the features of the S including the LSD, the upgraded brakes, and those nice aluminum wheels. However, for my purposes the basic AWD system is doing just fine in the snow and mud and the L version's brakes have me stopping on a dime. Those aluminum wheels sure are sweet though.

    I do wish the seats were a little softer in my L. Does anyone know if the S seats are softer?

    By the way, I absolutely love the Blue Ridge Pearl, but all those scratches I'm getting is really showing up on that dark paint. Guess I'll have to take it a little easier :)

    Take care,

    Skip

    P.S. I bought a new toy, a kayak, to add to my canoe. I'll post some photos of it topped on the Forester as soon as I get it out.
  • karen56karen56 Member Posts: 14
    All my posts seem to be related to smell, but here I go again. Not only do I still have "the smell," at almost 5,000 miles, but now I have a new one. A gas smell. It is permeatting the whole car. I know I haven't spilled gas inside the car or on the outside of the car, so I can't figure it out. Also, there are no spots on my garage floor, so I know it's not leaking. It seems strongest when I first start the car but it's there pretty much all the time. Any ideas?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Skip: the fabric on the S Premium certainly is softer than the L's, but probably not as durable.

    Karen: that stinks (literally). I'd have the dealer look at it, since any gas leak, as unlikely as it seems, could be really dangerous.

    I believe the gas tank is under the rear seat. It could be bad fuel filter, but the gas tank does not have a skid plate so that is a remote possibility. Have you notice a drop in your mileage?

    -juice
  • karen56karen56 Member Posts: 14
    As a matter of fact, if anything, my gas mileage seems to be improving slightly. It started out about 19-21 mpg, and now it's 23-24. The gas smell just started last week, and I did get gas at a different station than I normally do, but have since put in another tank back at my usual place.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Just a reminder of the Subaru crew chat tonight at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10pm Eastern. Yours truly will be hosting once again. Looking forward to it, and I hope to see some of you there!

    The link to the chat is near the top of this page, just under the topic title.


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  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Skip - The seat cushions are the same on the L and S. Only the seat fabrics are different. If you don't mind the look, padded seat covers can make things a bit softer.

    One interesting fact -- the Forester got softer rear seat cushions going from MY99 to MY00. My friend drives a 00 S and his rear seat cushions are a lot softer than mine. Personally, I like firm seats better.

    As for your scratches, regular waxing will make them less noticeable. When it gets pretty bad, try 3M Hand Glaze. It works wonders in getting out fine scratches and restoring that deep gloss. Remember to use it sparingly, though. Polishes do their job by stripping a very thin layer of your clearcoat.

    Karen - Is it more of sulfur smell? I've experienced that rotten egg smell depending on the brand of gas I use.

    Ken
  • karen56karen56 Member Posts: 14
    Nope, it's a gas smell for sure. It's not even an old gas smell - it smells just like it does as it's coming out of the pump at the station. And I'm sure that no gas has been spilled on or in the car.

    The other smell, what other posters like to call the Subaru new car stench, is almost a burning smell with a chemical-type odor and usually comes after driving for a half hour or longer.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They should market it as "Eau du Subaru".

    Karen: maybe one of the vapor recovery hoses came loose. I'm surprised you haven't gotten a check engine light.

    There is a canister at the passenger side rear, underneath, but I'd let the dealer have a look at it. There are several similar hoses under the hood too.

    -juice
  • karen56karen56 Member Posts: 14
    Thanks for all the advice. I guess I'll take it to the dealer and have them check the fuel filter and the vapor recovery hoses. I had hoped it might just be bad gasoline, but I guess better safe than sorry!
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Karen- definitely take your Forester in to the dealer. Something fuel related has clearly come loose. Since it doesn't appear to be leaking, Juice's idea about a vapor recovery hose coming loose makes sense. Regarding the other "smell". I've got almost 15k on my 01 now :-( and mine still smells after a long drive. The guys on NPR's Car Talk suggested to another Subaru owner that the smell might be caused by the heat from the catalytic converter heating up the undercoating. In any case, it doesn't seem to cause any problems and I've grown somewhat accustomed to it now.

    Skip- Hey, look at it this way....you're more practical than those of us that sprung for the S. The L is a super vehicle that is well equipped at a bargain price. You have almost all of the functionality of the S but for $2,500 less. And you're right, that dark gray cladding will do a lot better job of hiding the inevitable dings and scratches.

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    A chemical smell could be road salt from the winter, so I'd wash the undercarriage if you sense that.

    But hers was gasoline, and that's distinct.

    -juice
  • karen56karen56 Member Posts: 14
    I made an appointment for 8:00 in the morning for the gasoline smell. He thought the suggestions that you all made were good ones. He did say that this was a possible safety issue, and that when I brought it in tomorrow that they would look at first thing. Thanks for all your help with this - I love this board. I visit it every day to read other posts and learn tons of stuff. And then when I have a problem, so many of you take the time to help me out. I do appreciate it.

    P.S. I've had the undercarriage washed since our last snow, but I guess that stuff just needs to burn off.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Washing it is hard. After driving on the beach last fall, I washed it myself (or so I thought).

    When I went to install the SPT kit, there was sand all over the place. A huge mess.

    So I washed it again, this time with ramps, so I could see what I was doing.

    That's why a little chemical smell would not surprise me.

    -juice
  • tinindianatinindiana Member Posts: 46
    I have an "L" with the side cladding and the weather is now warm enough to get out there and wash and wax the new Forester. Question: Is that cladding metal? Should I wax it or will it leave a hazy dull look when finished? Thanks!

    Tom
  • karen56karen56 Member Posts: 14
    Well, they couldn't find any loose hoses that would explain the gas smell (they said they couldn't smell it anyway), but they did say that the oil was overfilled by 1-1/2 quarts (I had the oil changed at one of those quick change places) and the coolant was overfilled as well. I do not live close to the dealership (almost 50 minutes away), but maybe I should start having my oil changed there. Anyway, just thought you all would like to know how it turned out.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,768
    That would definitely cause a smell. That is most likely the problem and now the smell will go away.

    I don't think you have to go to the dealership for an oil change everytime. Just try a different place that is nearby. And, maybe next time, tell them how much oil goes in (but be sure to explain what the last place did as the reason for you speaking up - just so they don't think you're being a you-know-what).

    Last time I had mine done (at a quick change place), I watched their every move. Caught them before they put in a different grade oil than I requested.

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  • yellowbikedonyellowbikedon Member Posts: 228
    I, too, live almost an hour away from the dealer who services my wagon. I think that it's a good idea to take the time every 3,000 miles or so to have an authorized dealer do ANY service on your Subaru. By doing so, you establish a relationship with the people and this can be helpful when(and if) something ever truly goes wrong (such as an overfill)!!!

    Think of the time spent going back and forth as an investment.

    Just my 2 pennies.

    Don
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    May I inquire how much you pay for an authorized dealer oil change? At my salesman's request, I had my first change done at the dealers, and was rocked $32 for it - a substantial investment over the years, I would say.
    - my two coppers,

    Joe
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    charges $21 on a coupon he sends out. I don't even have to present it. Just found out they lost the franchise so I hope they'll still service me. Helmut's Subaru in Bridgeport, CT 203-334-1672.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Tom- The L's side cladding is plastic so just wash with soap and water. Juice- Do you use any type of protectorant on yours? (I know what your opinion is of Armor-All)

    Karen- Typical.....don't hesitate to take it back if/when you smell gas fumes again. Overfilling the oil could certainly account for your "smell" but I won't be completely surprised if it's still there. In any case, keep us posted.

    -Frank P.
  • danielldaniell Member Posts: 128
    Definitely not the crossbars, I am 100% it's coming from drivetrain.

    Funny thing, I mentioned this noise to my neighbor who has an automatic Outback base(same drivetrain as my Forester S, except for the rear differential the Outback does not have). He immediately said, before I started describing it, "Like a jet engine? I also have it". We test drove both cars, and yes, he also has it. He thinks that his noise is louder than mine, I (of course) think mine is louder. As I said, the noise is pretty subtle, but it is there. Maybe it's just related to the overall higher friction from AWD - and the Forester being my first AWD vehicle, I am noticing it.
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    Charges 23.00 for the oil change, and washes the car.
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    Ken:

    Thanks for the advice on the scratches, but I'm not talking about little scratches here. I'm talking nasty ones. For example the one caused by a tree branch or two....and the other caused by an open gate rubbing against my quarter panel on a windy day. The quarter panel one is particularly nasty. Maybe I'll take a photo and post it.

    By the way, I owe someone a big thanks. I don't remember who it was, but someone responded to a post of mine some time ago referring to a rattle I thought was coming from my seatbelt housing. This individual suggested that it was actually a small square plastic piece on the lower section of the drivers side rear door. It took me a while to get around to it, but after some banging around with my fist on the door, I discovered that this individual was right. So, I popped out this sqaure piece, stretched a rubber band around the four clips to act as a gasket, and popped it back in....Ta Da!!! No more rattle. Now my Soob sounds/feels nice and tight again. I know others have asked about this as well...so check it out. That rattle was maddening!

    Talk to you all later,

    Skip
  • sport33sport33 Member Posts: 19
    Purchased my 2001 Forester on 3.9.01 and now have 3k miles. I am changing the oil/filter myself. Does anyone happen to know if Fram makes a filter for the 2.5L? Would it be the same as the 2.5L in the 2000 model (sometimes the store's info is not current)? Also, I live in the desert SW, and plan on using 10W-30, any thoughts there? Thx in advance.
  • yellowbikedonyellowbikedon Member Posts: 228
    Joe,

    My dealer charges $19.95 for an oil change with their coupon and $24.95 without. Coupons are sent at proper intervals along with a "service reminder."

    I, too, have had a problem using somebody other than a dealer to do work on my cars. I had an oil pan stripped of its threads by an over zealous mechanic who overtightened after an oil change. Thank God the shop was fair and it did replace the pan without a hastle. I still feel had I returned to the dealer, this would not have happened.

    Don
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    You should be able to pick up a genuine OEM Subaru oil filter and crush washer for $5 or so from your dealer.

    -Brian
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    I would avoid Fram Filters, from everything I have read they are not a premium filter.
  • jmcknight2jmcknight2 Member Posts: 47
    Fram has several grades of filters for the 2.5 engine, p.n. 3593. For example, the "Tough Guard" filter is p.n. TG3593A. These filters do not come with the crush washer, however.
    Jim McKnight
  • sport33sport33 Member Posts: 19
    Thanks for the help everyone. Do I necessarily have to replace the "crush" washer with another crush washer, or can I use one made of a different plastic/composite material? Dealer is closed for the weekend.
  • rslnp1rslnp1 Member Posts: 29
    Anybody have this problem? My parking lights and brake lights will not shut off. I have 4800 miles on my 2001 Premium+ and even with the ignition off, these lights stay on. Until I can get it to my dealer on Monday, I have removed the fuse controlling these lights. The owners manual was very clear as to which fuse to remove.
  • owellsowells Member Posts: 16
    Maybe your lights are on due to a quirk of Subarus. Because their lights go off with the ignition, they provide a switch on top of the steering column, behind the steering wheel, that turns on parking lights. I know others have inadvertently bumped the switch. The switch is also explained in the manual.

    Good luck.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    sport33- You're certainly better off replacing with another Subaru crush washer. If that's not possible, then one made from a like material is better than nothing.

    rslnp1- That's a new one. Removing the fuse was a smart way to save your battery. However, your Forester is unsafe to drive if your brake lights are stuck on. I recommend that you call SOA's roadside assistance # and have it towed to the dealer. I know you're upset and I don't blame you. Let us know what the service dept says. You also ought to see if you can get a free oil change (at least) for the inconvenience.

    -Frank P.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    As was just mentioned, I believe you, or somebody inadvertently hit the parking light switch on the top of the steering column. I did that once with our '96 Impreza Outback. It drove me nuts until I finally figured it out.

    Bob
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    Maybe you guys can help me with this one......

    I brought my 2001 Forester to the dealership to have the alignment checked. My steering wheel seemed offset to the left and the car drifted to the right.

    I picked my Soob up this morning and now it seems like its doing the exact opposite..the steering wheel is offset to the right. I'm not sure whether the alignment is still off or if they just didn't keep the steering wheel straight during the alignment. Are Subaru's difficult to align or something? I have a feeling the car came slightly misaligned from the factory.

    Anyway, I'm trying to decide whether I should call up and complain...again (I haven't exactly had the best service from this dealership) or go to another dealership to have it aligned right. The dealership I purchased the Forester from doesn't even have an alignment rack on the premises...they have to send it to another shop. This makes it difficult to schedule a car for an alignment.

    I have been hesitant to take my Soob to a dealership other than the one I bought it from. I'm worried that I may not get prompt service because I didn't buy it there. However, there is a dealership much closer to my home than the one I bought the Forester from. This would be more convenient.

    Any opinions or experiences with this?

    Thanks in advance for any replies,

    Skip
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Skip- I'd go with the more competent service dept regardless of whether it's the same dealership that sold you the vehicle. I think owners are way overly concerned about another dealer being upset for not buying from them. In any case, because they sell the majority of their vehicles close to invoice, Subaru dealerships probably make more money off their service depts. Therefore, I'd think the service dept would be happy to establish you as a regular customer.

    Just my .02 -Frank P.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Skip,

    I'd go with Frank's advice and take it to the competent dealer. Once you've purchased a Subaru, you can take it to any dealer for service. A good service department should treat you no differently.

    BTW, this might sound trivial, but did you measure the tire pressures? They often can come overinflated which may be compounding the alignment problem. Also, I've heard that simply rotating the tires can sometimes aleviate drift problems.

    Ken
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    Thanks for the responses on the alignment guys. I drove it some more today and I think the alignment seems to be ok. I think the steering wheel just isn't straight. It appears to be off to the right just very slightly, which is annoying nonetheless. I'll try the closer dealership next time. the service can't be much worse than what I'm receiving now.

    The tires should have been rotated with the last service I received. I had the Soob in to have the alignment checked, oil change, tire rotation, 28 point inspection, etc. I'll check the tire pressure tomorrow.

    Take care,

    Skip
  • ron3805ron3805 Member Posts: 22
    Definitley check the the toggle switch on the top of the steering column..when I took delivery of my 2001S Forester the sales person made a big point of making sure that I didn't use it and then advertently leave it on.
    Ron
  • rslnp1rslnp1 Member Posts: 29
    Thanks to owells, rsholland and,ron3805. Your advise concerning the switch on top of the steering wheel that controlls the parking lights was right on. The switch was inadvertently in the "on" position. I replaced the fuse and shut off the lights. A trip to the dealer was saved. The value of this message board has been proven again!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Glad we could help.

    Bob
  • sashai1sashai1 Member Posts: 4
    I'm new to the forum, but my gal & I each bought new Foresters in August-- hers an "I" & mine an "I". I immediately removed the back seat and cut plywood (& a rug remnant) to fit over the seat metalwork exposed under the seat & to provide a flat storage area. 2 metal tab securely connect the plywood to bolts otherwise used to hold the seat bottom.

    A real advantage that was unexpected is that the front seat folds down flat (without even removing the headrest) to a level which is lower than the
    rear storage compartment level. With that seat down I can easily accommodate 8' I 2' panels which I use for art displays-- actually 4'x8' foam core boards scored to fold to 2'x8'.

    This is an easy task to accomplish and could be useful to someone who must be able to transport (and lock) long objects or for anyone contemplating a passenger sleeping horizontally in their Forester.

    I love the option. It also gives me a keeper storage platform for carrying objects and is wonderfully accessible from the back doors. Since I occasionally carry tall bonsai-- the extra height was appreciated.
  • sashai1sashai1 Member Posts: 4
    Whew... I really messed up that last message by mis-reading the spell checker... SORRY! Maybe a few can wade through it despite the automated re-drafting... :-(

    I need help on figuring how to use the roof rack
    that came on my Forester. I need to occasionally carry a 4' x 8' sheet of plywood & can imagine other loads, but this silly rack has curved crossbars across its top and the sidebars along the roofline from front to back are also curved.

    My internet searches tell me Subaru dealers sell accessories including a "round crossbar"-- is THAT what I should be looking to purchase? My topside requirements will probably be light.

    On Subarus I've seen with working racks, I often see the Yakima name scawled on a front airfoil. Is that the way to go? Looks awfully "yuppie" and an overkill to mount a rack over a rack.

    Thanks for your advice!
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