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My daughter is still driving my 1988 Toyota Camry. We have not done any repairs except minor maintenance. I think Toyota is truly reliable. I would still buy American cars because of their exceptional warranty. I am 100% sure that I won't have any unexpected expenses for as long as I own the car.
For an extra $2,000, I could have upgraded it to bumper to bumper warranty.
The prices of extended warranties are as negotiable as are the prices of the autos. I was offered the same warranty for $1750 (which I declined).
Let's inform all we can !! This situation remains largely unknown by the general public. Let's get signs to affix on our LEMONS !!
Likelihood of tranning performing badly?
Likelihood of lockup at 70mph?
Is anyone in a 99-01 Odyssey still driving theirs at 125, 150, 200k? (or 02-08 model for that matter). (It's a Honda, for Pete's sake!)
I'm looking for a <$10,000 minivan, and the Odyssey (transmission aside), is the most attractive (design, performance, features, size). I can tell I'd be playing Russian roulette, but are we talking six-shooter, 100-shooter, 1000-shooter?
If anyone can shed some light, I'd be much obliged.
Before buying a used Ody (or any vehicle), talk with the previous owner. Most reliable dealers will be glad to give you the former owner's phone number. :shades:
Don't have to deal with Ody trans issues, yeah!
Good luck all
It has nearly 160K miles on it and the tranny has started acting up, making clunking noises and the like and recently we got the P0740 engine code and a trip to the local transmission shop confirms that it needs to be replaced soon.
It'll cost about 3 grand to put in a rebuilt transmission with a 3 year 55k mile warranty.
Do you think it's worth doing with the rest of the van having 160K miles on it?
They flushed the transmission fluid and told me to drive it for a week. If it doesn't change, let them know. They said the only thing left to do is a new tranny, which I am not in favor of.
I feel it is less of a tranny issue then it is a computer issue. They said there is no way of resetting the computer or adjusting it.
It is extremely frustrating but the service at the dealership was excellent.
The transmission was rebuilt in November of 2004 at around 68-70,000 miles ish, and there has been no problems since.. (although one of the screws holding up the glovebox fell out and every time the glovebox is open it falls out into your hand and you have to slam it a certain way to get it properly closed)
I would have the car thoroughly inspected, and speak with the former owner as to why he/she sold the car, and what problems they encountered. Also check all the maintenance records and look for one from a Honda dealer where the transmission was replaced. I'd also look to see if the transmission fluid was changed on a regular basis as well.
Good Luck! Back in December of 2001 there really was no competition for the Odyssey; I felt like I got a "good deal" by being able to pay under MSRP, but I paid it anyways because the Sienna and Grand Caravan didn't even come close.
Of course, it's a different market nowadays..
If you don't notice a great improvement over the next week, they should be able to reprogram the computer. They have done so with mine two or three times. (or so they said and wrote up in the service reports) Good luck with yours. We should have an arbitration date in a few weeks and will keep everyone updated.
Please let me know how yours does over the next week.
youngsinga@cox.net
I think though we should also get this problem into the press. It seems to be a juicy story. Honda, reputed to have high quality products, has produced a dud, but will not own up to it publicly and will not extend the warranty. In the meantime, go Toyota. I think I have my first and last Honda.
I am really sick of Honda's irresponsible attitudes on their design failure. They deliberately concealed the fact so that I did not know the transmission could lock up like that which they have been well aware of for many years and described in their Service Bulletin. I had to battle so much and they finally agreed to provide me with a Honda rebuilt transmission with 3 years/36,000 miles warranty and I was responsible for labor of $924.
They kept the car for over two weeks. I got back my car middle of January this year. My new rebuilt transmission died on me on March 1. I was truly disappointed in Honda and traded it in with a Dodge at the dealership in Dublin,California. The trade in value was super low because the Honda's transmission was no good.
I am enjoying my new American car because their service is so good. My new car comes with incredible warranty for as long as I own this car. As you may be aware, Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep now back their cars with lifetime powertrain warranty. Now I know I would not incur any unexpected expenses on this car. There is no more Honda for me because they can go out of their way to conceal information from their affected and potential customers on problems they should be aware with their cars. They don't care about human lives, road safety or reputation. All they care about is profit.
We've seen a UK Honda dealer who has inspected. He is not very aggressive on our issue either which is typical UK customer service. We've proposed solutions to Honda US like shipping the part(s) to the dealer here, or my wife and I acquiring the parts and being reimbursed as part of the warranty, but each time they say "no."
Early in this nightmare, one of the customer service reps quoted a "military and NATO overseas guideline" which basically gave the "We'll pay you back" offer cited above, but the rep "could not" provide us with a copy...all word of mouth over the phone. So, we do not have this policy despite asking.
I sent Honda US (return receipt), UK and Japan a letter requesting them to fix my problem. Of course we've not seen them do squat with it. Customer service has been horrible...poor follow-ups, changing information, and not offering any constructive help.
- if I wanted to get the transmission and/or parts and have it shipped, any advice on who has best prices and service? I have a US postal address. Also, do entire "new transmissions get shipped for this repair? I only find parts listed online.
- any ideas on how to get Honda to help us in England?
- Our Honda guy here tested and reported, "torque converted clutch system failure 40-1" and "3rd clutch has no pressure" requires replacement of gear box. How safe is van to drive...would it outright fail on us on the road?
Any advice is appreciated.
Anyway, does anybody know if the warranty was extended for this transmission?
No. Free extended warranty because of failures and lawsuit on 1999-2001 4 speed auto to 93 mo and 109K miles for U.S.A. market vehicles. Not Canadian market. Transmission changed to 5 speed in 2002.
"safety recall in 2004. I think they put a band aid on a problem then and Honda knew what would eventually happen"
Safety recall is installing an oil jet to lubricate the 2nd gear so it will not lock up from no lubrication. Common failure is third gear clutch. A totally different problem. Third gear clutch overheats, prematurely wears out, slips and clogs the transmission with clutch junk. Not cured by the oil jet.
I am in the same boat as you, owner of failed Odyssey transmission.
I've maintained this Ody with more than the required Z1 drain and fills (every 7.5K-15K-singles, 2 3X complete exchanges) plus have had a Magnefine filter downstream on the return line and had hoped for a longer life but no go. This was the 1st replacement tranny FWIW.
For the 1st 85K, original tranny functioned flawlessly. The last 17K, I perceived a noticeable whine in 1st gear that increased in pitch till the shift. Also at highway speeds for the last 5K was a whine in 4th gear in overdrive between 75-80 mph. I'd imagine THIS was a sure indicator of something about to happen as to hear it inside with all the road and mechanical noises abound, it must have been pretty loud after all. Shifting between F/R has been fine with no clunking even on sub-freezing days though.
Last Friday I drove out on a typical 20 degree morning and within 1/4 mile the TCS, CEL, and D4 light came on after I went over our alley speed check bump. As I tried to turn left, the tranny slipped as if it was in neutral though the vehicle progressed slowly. Upon shutting off the engine and immediately restarting, the CEL remained and all lights turned off.
Interestingly, the rest of the weekend for over 300 miles of driving the tranny functioned as before with no more problems. Of course that morning I took it in and the dealer started the paperwork to authorize a replacement.
Upon notifying me of the part arrival, dropped it off on Tues. morning with the anticipation of completion by Wed. evening, which WAS accomplished.
Upon driving off the lot, I immediately pulled over to inspect things. Was curious to see what they did with my Magnefine filter and noted a entirely new return line installed by the radiator with the old output line remaining.
I then listened carefully and drove for about 20 blocks starting and stopping shifting through 2 or 3 gears. The 1st gear whine was still there though it was hardly noticeable. Shifting was smooth and positive as expected. Upon reaching the on ramp of the expressway I eased on in 2nd gear and punched it to check downshifting with a positive smooth engadgement and perfect 6K rpm upshift at about 50 mph. Proceeded to drive between 70-90 mph to check on the high speed whine and noted it had all disappeared.
Arriving home I drove onto the ramps to inspect underneath out of curiosity. Interestingly this trannies case had not been repainted but was rather quite dirty. I noted the new drain bolt and many of the mounting bolts had new white paint on it. The sub case housing the torque converter was marked "new" and definitely looked it. Also noted a series of white Honda markings and numbers were on several locations.
Had left the vehicle in park during this examination for about 15 mins. having the fan cycle on and off for several cycles.
Then I noticed some tranny fluid had formed a small droplet between the torque coverter housing and engine! I wiped off the area and observed for another 10 mins. and it seems like there is some very minor leak....DRATS! Not the way to end this saga!
Perhaps there was some fluid spilled from the exchange? Nevertheless I will watch carefully the next day or so and if it continues, will have the dealer address this issue.
Upon checking out had me sign a work order outlining Honda's costs but I was not allowed to keep a copy? Mine had the same information but no figures listed, so I took it upon myself to write them on my form just for reference.
Below is the pertinent data with the INTERNAL costs for this exchange and what Honda is ALLOWING this dealer for labor rates/reimbursement:
Tranny/Torque Converter Exchange Kit - $1,370
Labor at 6.5 hrs. - $632
Wheel alignment .6 hrs. - $58
Clean Rad/Tran Cooler .3 hrs. - $29
ATF Z1 $7 Qt. - $36
Freight $107
Note the sub $100 shop rate, which is LESS than what they usually charge...Chicago has some pretty humongous labor rates....
In conclusion, this tranny shifts really nicely and all the quirks of the old one are essentially gone. Just will monitor the leak and address it if it remains....
Morning After Followup Report....
Last night before I took it out for a 26 mile errand, a quarter sized spot of tranny fluid was observed on the floor. Confirmed the source was the tranny/block location.
Returned to see that engine area was dry, perhaps due to the wind from the drive?
8 hours later this morning, NO MORE TRANNY FLUID, on the floor nor at the tranny casing/engine block!
Will continue to monitor but feel much better now.....
I have question:
It takes all the way up to 3500rpm before my van changes to second gear from full stop. Is it normal? If I don't push it hard, it changes to second gear around 2500rpm. My van is running ok, but I want to know if that is normal. Please advice!
Thank you,
T2
Have you read the posts in this forum about the transmission problems? You have 110k mile warranty on your transmission. See this website link title
My advice: spend $60 take the van to your local Honda dealer & ask them to check the transmission for you. Doing this will help when you fight the battle for reimbursement when the your tranny fails & it will fail shortly. You now have paperwork ammunition showing that it was checked by Honda.
These shift points occurred with both trannys.
The most disconcerting thing was there no hint of impending failure other than a whining in 1st gear and at 75-80 mph.
WHY buy an Odyssey when the Odysseys are having too many transmission failures?
Honda says it isn't under warranty and wants to charge me $3,200. They also mentioned that the motor mounts are bad and need replacing (what do the motor mounts do?). I also spent about $60 I think to have the break switch replaced 5,000-10,000 miles back.
The dealer is currently submitting a GOOD WILL request to Honda to see if they will pay for any of the repairs. Seems to me this is a cop-out to alleviate a lot of cost that they should be paying because they know there is a problem.
Has anyone talked about another Class Action lawsuit to cover the remaining of the problem years?
Same issue for me at 60,000 miles and had the replacement part handled. I have a case number with the 800 customer service number on Honda's main site and the dealer has put in a GOOD WILL form request.
Thanks....
There should be a class action suit to include the 2003 model year. It appears the problem was never truly fixed and we're getting sold a bag of goods. Good luck!
Let the lawsuits begin!
I think I've heard of one 2007 transmission issue on another board, but I have a feeling this was not the most 'reliable' data. :mad: There are a few posts buried in this thread on this, but Honda put an entirely different trans in the 2007+ Odys. It is derived from the Ridgeline 4x4. The 2007+ Ody trans has an entirely different case and an additional gear shaft (went from 3 to 4). This helps better distribute internal loading and helps with lubrication and cooling. 2007+ also has a much easier to service transmission filter. It's a 'drop-in' type of filter element that loads into a housing on the case. Honda had to do something drastic if they want to maintain any type of reputation.
Joel
and given all of the problems with the old style, I don't think redesigning it should be considered drastic!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I had multi-point inspection done at dealer today and paid $81.66 for transmission diagnosis because it rises between 3500rpm to 4000rpm to shift to 2nd gear. And, with easy acceleration, it shifts to 2nd gear below 2500rpm. Again, my van has 98,250miles. !!! No engine light on yet !!!
Here was what the honda technician wrote:
"Verify that the tranny have late shift from 1st to 2nd gear. Slip into 3rd gear. Check ATF. Found ATF got burning smell. Check for DTC. No DTC store in PCM. Check EGR voltages. EGR voltages with spec. Recommend replace transmission."
The dealer's asking for $4,000 to replace my tranny and $900 for timing belt. The supervisor will call Honda rep. Monday morning to find out if they're going to cover my tranny and the percentage. FYI, previous owners bought this van on 03/31/2000.
When I asked the broker if there was any problem with the tranny, he said "No". So, do you think I can ask him to pay/share the cost to replace my tranny?
Please advice!
-T2
If you look up the part (timing belt), it's under $50.00.
That's a lot of labor they are charging, especially if they already have it all apart for the tranny replacement...are they also replacing the water pump for the $1100?
Now on the other hand, $700 for a tranny replacement is a GREAT deal!
Looks like the dealer is really trying to get some more money out of this transaction.
I am surprised they didn't try to pull the "you need new motor mounts" line...
The motor mounts stabilize the vibrations given off by the engine.
In particular there is one at the front (behind the radiator on 2002+ models, I think on the passenger side on 1999-2001 models...) that is actually active and controlled by the computer.
It's a fluid filled hydraulic motor mount with a vacuum line going to it that will become stiffer or softer depending on what the computer tells it to do...
If it's bad, you can easily tell, have someone watch the motor mount while someone else revs the engine above 1000 RPM (in park of course!)
If bad, you will see the engine tilt up and down at the motor mount, if good, the mount should hold the engine steady...
In my case, the dealer swapping the tranny said both the front and rear were no good and both needed replacing. They wanted another $500+ to replace them (at a "discount" since they were already in there swapping the tranny...see my previous posts on my tranny swap nightmare....)
Bottom line, I bought the parts myself online and got a second opinion and turns out only the front needed replacing, while the rear one "still looked like brand new".
So it just confirms my suspicion that the original dealer was out to hose me...
IF YOU BUY AN ODYSSEY, PLEASE GET THE EXT. WARRANTY.
Want a reliable source for the 2007 tranny issues, email me at younsinga@cox.net. I've got 20 pages worth of reliable infor from our local Honda service shop. Dawn