Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    Sone ideas:

    Did you make any modifications to your vehicle?
    Did you install any electrical/electronic device? Toll booth transponder? Antenna? CB? Cellphone?
    Did you put any tools in the glovebox or dashtop compartment (or anywhere else in the vehicle)? Some tools are magnetized.

    Any of these could produce a magnetic field that affects the detector for the compass.
  • pertpert Member Posts: 19
    Has anyone installed a Turbonator. Feedback?
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    Haven't installed it, but read in many online forums that it's a scam.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Is this a California device? Sounds like one of the governor's movies - the Turbonator!

    Check out Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets too.

    Steve, Host
  • pertpert Member Posts: 19
    Thanks Ill call Arnold have the Turbonator terminated.
  • spgrspgr Member Posts: 23
    I followed the advice of the manager of a local tire store and replaced the factory Yokohamas with Goodyear ComforTrends (had good reviews and got them at a descent price). Since the install, a vibration begins at speeds around 50 mph. Had the store rebalance the tires but vibration is still evident. My next move is to check the alignment. Is there special care that the store should take in checking and doing the alignment considering the all-wheel drive system of the Forester? Should I have the dealer check the alignment?
  • asplundhasplundh Member Posts: 27
    Just for the heck of it I tried re-calibrating it again and this time it worked. Thanks to everyone for their advice.
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    I am beginning to consider buying an 06 Forester but do not want to do so if there will be a model change in the next year. Does anyone know if and when the next model change will take place?
    Also, my 99 Forester downshifts when I brake if car is going over 50mph down a steep hill. To get it to upshift I can wait until the road levels, and it shifts automatically, or quickly downshift and then upshift and the transmission will return to the high gear. Do newer models have a simpler solution to this?
  • prosaprosa Member Posts: 280
    There shouldn't be any significant changes for 07. The Impreza will be substantially revised for 08, and because the Forester shares the Impreza platform it's likely that major changes to the Forester will follow - if not in 08, then for 09.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    06 got a face-lift, so we should not see any major changes for 2 years.

    Your tranny is using a lower gear to get engine braking. That keeps your brakes from overheating down a long descent. That may be normal behavior, basically.

    Only way to have full control is to get a manual, or choose a model with SportShift, like some Legacys and Outbacks.

    -juice
  • mday3mday3 Member Posts: 1
    I need to know the value of that resistor R501, it had a bad solder joint and fell out.
    Mark
  • bristleconebristlecone Member Posts: 1
    I used to post as Hayduke01, but Edmunds didn't recognize the email address I thought I had associated with that name, so no way to sign in on that account.

    Recently at a McDonald's drive through I bumped my Coke against the roof; the Coke spilled. Thought I'd cleaned it all up, but it appears some got inside the door.

    Now when it's cold outside (I live in Colorado) my drivers-side door doesn't want to work.

    Going in from the passenger side, working the latch from the inside, followed by another unlock or two on the remote did the trick this a.m.

    That "fix" is rather time consuming, so I'm looking for something that'll last, hopefully without having to take the door apart.

    Any ideas? (As to the lock issue, that is, not as to my diet. I know that needs to change).

    thanks,

    mike
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    30 ohm , 1/4 w resistor. Local Radio Shack should have it, or something close. Original was a surface mounted resistor. Back in the 85 and up they used the individual parts like this and they also had similiar failures.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    mike - I'd use that lock de-icer stuff. Maybe WD40 first, to clean it.

    -juice
  • passnthrupassnthru Member Posts: 6
    I'm thinking about trying siping my Geolanders, has anyone tried that? It should help and it's way cheaper than a new set of skins!
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    The best thing to do with Geolanders is to remove them. ;) Seriously!

    -Dennis
  • chris2chris2 Member Posts: 5
    Hi, I've recently picked up 3 CEL codes. Two of them were PO136 and the third one was PO065. Any idea what have to be done? Car runs great and only those CEL lights coming up pretty often make me shivering. Thanks for your input. Chris. :mad:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    There was a recall for some model years, to make the ECU less sensitive. Call 800-SUBARU3 to see if yours was included. You may just never have gotten the letter.

    -juice
  • toasterpilottoasterpilot Member Posts: 48
    Cone--I thought things went better with Coke. I think that when they switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup, it made it gummier. The de-icer that Juice mentioned might wash off that stuff (things go better with Juice?).

    I would follow this up with a spray of lithium grease.
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    Decided to go ahead and buy a 2006 since there should be no model change for a couple of years: Some details for those of you thinking of buying:: 2006 Forester L L Bean Evergreen Metallic.
    MSRP: $27,939 Invoice: 25,848. Internet price: dealer (Bel Air Subaru in Maryland) took off $500 for ??? and another $1000 rebate?? ==24,348 + tax and a $100 processing fee. I was a bit disappointed in the trade in for my 99 Forester S, but it did have a bit of bumper damage and 70K miles. So I got $6200 for it. My hard bargainer wife !! said throw in a dog divider and we'll take it. They did and we did. Seems bigger than the 99, but the dimensions are almost identical. HUGE sunroof with an automatic wind deflector so I do not get the annoying "drumming" that I did on the 99. Spare tire is not a full sized one either. Changes from the 99 are mostly cosmetic, but welcome, including a weather band on the radio, a 6 disk cd, and a self dimming mirror. Easier to control the acceleration from stop on this model. Maybe because of the electronic throttle. It is a beautiful color, a more muted green than my 99. Since I prefer the key to the remote,(I like to travel light!) I have already had 3 incidents when the alarm went off. Apparently the trick is to push the lock button on the inside and close the door. But do not try to lock it again from the outside since this seems to arm the alarm. ) Recommened oil seems to be 5 w 30. Since I have been a 10/30 man for the last 40 years I wonder if the 5w has been working all right for others?)
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I recently sold my 1992 Nissan Sentra, which now has around 270,000 miles. It got 5W30 for its entire life, without any engine problems ever. I used Castrol GTX exclusively, and changed every 3000 miles. I use the same oil and oil change interval in all my cars, including a 2001 Forester with 123,000, a 2003 Outback with 51,000, a 1994 Sentra with 130,000 and a 1992 NX2000 with 225,000 miles. I live in NJ, where we get 4 season weather, and I use the 5W30 year round with no problems.

    I hope this helps. Good luck with your new Forester.

    Len
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Congrats on the Bean! If you check the section about oil in the manual, you'll see that 5W30 is "preferred" for the best fuel economy and that a thicker oil is required in high temps.

    If you see more than a few summer days of 90F+ temps, I would go with a 10W30 in the summer. 10W30's flow better today than a few years ago so depending where you live, you might be able to use it year 'round. 5W30 is in there from the factory.

    -Dennis
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Congrats on the LL Bean, its a decent package.

    Re: oil, for what its worth I've used Quaker state 5W-30 full synthetic, QS 10w-30 Synthetic blend, and Castrol 10w-30 synthetic blend. I get the oil analyzed about 2x a year. In all cases the 5W-30 did not hold its viscosity. The 10W-30 had the viscosity of a 5W-30 when analyzed. I change every 3000. Driving mix is 80/20 city highway.

    HTH
    Larry
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Can we get you to use some paragraphs, please? That's kind of hard to read.

    Congrats on the new '06.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    The oil didn't hold it's viscosity in 3,000 miles? That's kind of low. XS model, correct?

    What was the approximate mileage on the car for the analyses? The wear-in metals in my XT were just getting normal at 30,000 miles and that's one way oil loses it's viscosity (especially if it's thin). I'm switching to Texaco Havoline in my wife's Outback. It usually shows good uoa results and has a lot of moly.

    I run German Castrol Syntec 0W30 in my XT and it stays a high 30 weight for 6,000 miles. :) I checked the oil three times over the summer and didn't add a drop.

    -Dennis
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Actually mine is an XT, although my wife's 03 OBW fares about the same and her mix of driving is probably closer to 60-40 hwy/city.

    My XT is about 27500 and the analysis has always shown better than average metals until the last report I had done at about 26500 - copper wear was high, but fuel dilution was high at 2%. That was also the first Castrol syn-blend I tried. That went in the crankcase as a 10w-30 and came out as a 5w-30. :surprise:

    Been running 10w-30 QS syn-blend in the OBW (now at 36000 miles) for the last couple of years - the metal wear has been atrocious (aluminum in particular, but iron also high - kind of like an aluminum piston meeting an iron sleeved cylinder :) ), something the dealer and I are still "discussing" as the car makes a horrendous rapping. Doesn't sound like piston slap as I've heard it before, but probably is.

    Sorry for the digression

    Larry
  • archimedesarchimedes Member Posts: 16
    As long as we're talking about oil...I'm currently using Mobil 1 5w20 in my Infiniti QX4. Trying to optimize both the care of the engine as well as gas mileage. I'm thinking of switching to Royal Purple fluids in the engine, AT, and gearbox. Anybody have an opinion regarding 1) whether having synthetic for all fluids is generally a good idea and worth the cost and 2) is royal purple (or any other brand) significantly better for these purposes than the rest (i.e., Mobil 1, Castrol, etc.).
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Following some uoa's over on bitog, the 2.5T's are harder on oil than the WRX's and especially the n/a Subes. I've seen an FXT with the factory fill down to a 20 weight in only 1,000 miles. I've also seen an STi shear Mobil conventional, Mobil blend and Motorcraft blend to a 20 weight in 1,500 to 2,000 miles. Gotta try and meet those CAFE requirements by pushing the 5W30 I suppose!

    The highest my fuel dilution has been is 1% and I do a lot of short trips (five miles each way daily). My copper went from 6 to 10 on my last UOA. I'm a little surprise but not too concerned. My silicon remained the same at 15 and I expected a drop because I switched from an Amsoil air filter to OEM.

    -Dennis
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Is a 5W20 spec'd for the QX4? I use synthetic in my gearbox mainly for improved shifting when temps are below freezing. In the engine, I go the full normal service interval (7,500 miles) with a synthetic oil that I know holds up for the full interval. Choosing the right viscosity for your location and driving conditions are important as well.

    The best thing to do would try a few different brands and have them analyzed. Mobil1 30 weights are on the thin side, but they recently thickened up their 5W30 slightly. Anything that gives you the best gas mileage will not necessarily give you the best protection. That's why Mobil1 has "new" EP oils. They're basically the same as the old Mobil1 oils, but they don't meet the new GF4 fuel economy requirements that the regular M1 oils meet.

    -Dennis
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I've also seen an STi shear Mobil conventional, Mobil blend and Motorcraft blend to a 20 weight in 1,500 to 2,000 miles

    I have an old friend who does Amsoil. He told me ~15 years ago, when I asked him why he didn't do extended intervals like the ads blared, that he found that the molecular tails always sheared before 3,000 miles or earlier. It became a bit of a "why bother" issue with me then.

    Steve, Host
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Wanted to add that I use German Castrol Syntec 0W30 that is only available at Autozone (in the U.S.). It's thicker than any current Mobil1 30 weight (it's nearly a 40 weight) and is a very shear stable oil. After I ran it for 6,000 miles, it's still thicker than most 30 weights on the market before they are even used. :) It's not a Group III synthetic like their N. American oils. It has Group IV and V basestocks (esters).

    It's not energy conserving though. You can't have your cake and eat it too. :) A few years ago, there was a very in depth article titled "Everything you wanted to know about motor oil, but were afraid to ask" written by Ed Hackett. Ed used to run the regular Royal Purple in his WRX, but has since moved to their racing oils because he has better results with them.

    -Dennis
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    On my brand new (150 miles) Forester LLBean yesterday the CEL stayed on and the Cruise Control light blinked off and on. This would not be so irritating (things go wrong with cars) except that I had a similar problem with my 99 Forester CEL that took several of service visits to diagnose and fix.
    Obviously Subaru has known about the CEL problem for at least 7 years but cannot seem to engineer it out of the Forester.
    I like the Forester, but if someone asks my opinion, I can only tell them that there is a major glitch in their engine.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Your implying this happens to every one, but it doesn't. Call it an unfortunate coincidence that this happened to both of yours.

    As long as the CEL is not blinking it's not a serious problem, let the dealer read the codes and reset it.

    -juice
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    A comment in general - Jack Welch, the former CEO of GE as he was looking at ways to improve GE's quality, was referring to GE appliances at a meeting. When informed that quality was above the 99th percentile, his response was in essence: "That's great, unless you're in the 1% that got a bad unit." He was talking about the necessity of building brand loyalty.

    Especially when things are new, problems like this leave a foul taste and do nothing to encourage brand loyalty.

    Or to flip it around another way juice, didn't your dad have terrible luck with his Ford/Mercury products? In my 3 years of Subaru ownership I've had way more issues than in 16 years of owning Mercurys.

    Until someone builds the perfect vehicle, I think its all a matter of the luck of the draw.

    Off my soapbox.

    Larry
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    Why are there so many apologists on this board when anything negative is said about Subarus. And if mine is an isolated case why have there been an inordinate number of posts about CEL problems? The few problems that I have had with my other cars (usually Mazdas) do not fit a pattern. If they did, I would feel the same way.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    no problems with CEL '03 Forester XS, now 44k miles.

    Who posts? The guy with a CEL, or the guy with no CEL?

    What is "inordinate" anyway? No CEL is ordinary by any reckoning, isn't it?

    ;John
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    Congratualtions on your 03 Forester.

    I had no problems with my seat heaters on the 99 Forester. Obviously people without problems do not post. The word inordinate means "exceeding reasonable limits."
    And my point was that there have been a large number of CEL posts in the past -at least from 2001 to 2003 when they caught my attention.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Wow, sounds like you have a CEL curse. I would just go somewhere to have the code pulled free for starters.

    Out of 213,000 combined miles (4 Subes), I just had my first CEL in my wife's Outback (knock wood). Turned out to be the knock sensor at 92,000 miles.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well put, Larry, I won't disagree with that.

    CEL are more common because of OBDII, which we can thank the government for. One single misfire or a loose gas cap must trigger a CEL, in fact it's required by law.

    Sorry if I sound defensive, it's just that I consider 99% of these a non-issue, i.e. a one-time symptom with no real underlying problem.

    That's my honest opinion, take it or leave it.

    Under warranty a dealer will clear the code for free, at the next service, and if the light's not blinking that means it's not urgent and you could wait until your next oil change. There is basically zero impact.

    Out of warranty, disconnect the negative battery terminal for 20 minutes and that clears it. If it goes away, that just confirms my suspicion that the code was insignificant to begin with.

    I hear some AutoZone locations also will scan a code for you for free, perhaps tell you if it's a gas cap, or if you need to replace something like an O2 sensor (which is a wear-and-tear item anyway).

    So no, I don't consider this a big deal. The problem my dad had with his Taurus wagon cost him several thousand dollars, it's that kind of impact ($$$) that you don't forget.

    -juice
  • logtraillogtrail Member Posts: 74
    Thanks for the information. I'm bringing it in to the dealer tomorrow morning. What is curious is that the
    cruise control light started flashing at the same time that the CEL went on.
  • solowalkersolowalker Member Posts: 118
    On my '00 Forester the CEL came on at 87,000 miles....

    It's been on for a month.....no blinking

    Fix?.....a little black tape.....

    She still runs like a swiss watch..... :shades:
  • gmginsfogmginsfo Member Posts: 116
    My 2003 Forester XS (AT) is approaching 34K and is six months shy of its three-year anniversary date. I got a solicitation from Subaru offering me the extended warranty plan and am looking for any feedback others might have on this. The car's been good to me - no problems, although its sluggishness does become tiresome at times; serves me right for not waiting and buying the Turbo. I plan on keeping it at least another year, if not two. Thoughts?
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I bought a 6 yr/80k for about $850 w/$50 deductible when I bought my '03 XS.

    If you have Subaru Bucks, maybe consider it. Otherwise the insurance companies have it figured out and you lose money (statistically, at least).

    I bought mine because it was my first Subaru and I was uncertian about what I would get into. So far it hasn't been worth it.

    On the other hand, if you intend to sell it before the warranty expires, you should be able to get something back on resale, plus it should be easier to sell.

    As they say, YMMV.

    John
  • superjsuperj Member Posts: 3
    I was wondering if you still had the pdf described below? I'm running into a problem with my current CD changer and thought of bidding on a new one on Ebay...but directions to install it would be a GREAT help!
    Thanks!

    #14307 of 17116 sharksoup - CD player by speterson1 Apr 12, 2004 (7:39 am)
    Bookmark | Reply | E-mail Msg
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I had a similar problem with the single-disc player on our 2001 Forester. That behavior marked the beginning of the end. Shortly after the behavior you described, the laser became very sensitive, skipping on very minor bumps in the road, and then shortly after that it would not read discs at all and just spat them back out after insertion.

    We were past our warranty to get it fixed for free, but I am very happy now after purchasing a Subaru 6-CD changer off of eBay. In fact, I just searched and here's a link to the exact same type of stereo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3293&item=3089271785&rd=1. If you're lucky you can get one really cheap, much cheaper than you could get from the Subaru dealer. Installed ours myself (with a very helpful step-by-step pdf file which I could e-mail you if you needed) shortly after Christmas and it's worked flawlessly so far.

    Steve
  • randyschrandysch Member Posts: 6
    My "normal" MPG in my 2001 Forester is about 24, with normally fairly short drives. Last winter, it dropped all the way down to 17! The dealer was clueless, but replaced the fuel and air filters to no avail. The spark plugs had been changed earlier in the year (Feb 2004). MPG over the summer was back to mid-20s. Now it's cooling off, and it's down to about 20. With the price of gas, I'm not really looking forward to 17 MPG! Any suggestions? Only thing I've read that seemed applicable was the possibility of a dirty thermostat, but I don't know if that would only affect it in cold weather. I've had the O2 sensor replaced twice, but there doesn't really seem to be anything noticeable with driving it. Maybe a little sluggish on acceleration, but nothing dramatic. Thanks for any help!

    randy
  • boots2boots2 Member Posts: 1
    I am considering buying a good used Suburu Outback, but have heard rumours implying they are prone to roll-over or near roll-over. Can anyone give me some feed-back??
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The Outback wagons that have been tested all garnered 4 star rollover ratings -- a risk of rollover between 10% and 20%. Some attribute the scores to the boxer engine that sits lower in the frame than most cars. (Safercar.gov)

    As far as I know, no SUV has ever gotten better than 4 stars; the '05 Outback came in at 15%. I think the best SUV rating for '05 is at 14% (Freestyle & Pacifica).

    But please continue in the Subaru Legacy/Outback discussion (this one focuses on Foresters).

    Steve, Host
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    Did you try a different brand of gas? Any check engine lights since last winter? I would replace the thermostat for starters and if that doesn't help, check the air temp (MAF) sensor.
  • randyschrandysch Member Posts: 6
    No check engine lights, and I do mix brands (anywhere I can save a penny or two a gallon these days!). Taking it in for 60K workup Tues, I'll mention the thermostat and MAF sensor. Thanks for the suggestions!

    randy
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    Search this board for "winter gas."

    My state (Pa) uses it, I am convinced. Every year my 2001 drops in mpg in October, and gets back to normal sometime in the spring.
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