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I couldn't agree more. If I were to purchase a Caddy STS or DTS, I would have someone custom paint Seville or Deville below those logos.
Cadillac three letter convention is that the first letter is the series:
C = C series (but could be C=cimarron or catera or Cadillac)
S = S series (meaning that the STS and SRX are same series)
D = D series (between the C and S :confuse: or = de Ville)
Cancelled. The Integra coupe became the RSX in 2002 and the sedan was dropped, the non-US Accord came in as the TSX in 2004, then the RSX was dropped after 2006. I think Acura would do well to bring back the Legend and Integra names; I'd rename the TL to Inspire (the Japanese version of the previous TL) rather than Vigor.
Says that Audi has several models which can be recommended and garner tons of red circles/dots.
They have shown a steady increase in red circles vs. black one's from the past. Year after year, the trend is upward.
It's a good thing they did have competition from Japanese and others, otherwise GM would still be making early 70’s technology cars, knowing how they operate.
So while their cars have finally made a turnaround, it should have happened 25 years ago. Why they think they can sit on their complacency and indifference for that long is beyond disgusting.
Standard of the World? Anyways If they were interested in being standard of the world they wouldn't do things like put cheap interior in the one of two Cadillacs that sell worth a darn (Cadillac CTS, Escalade). The Escalade has better interior. Oh ,and how about the “nifty” seat belt anchor attached to the shoulder of front seats. Way to go Cadillac. That’s not what a manufacturer does for world class design. Then they price the car at a world class price, when it isn't.
Also real names like Nissan Cedric and Cadillac Escalade detract from the company name of the car which car companies don't like.
I don't think that GM has really tried to make Cadillac the "Standard of the World". Cadillac did not enter the three Cadillacs into the contest for the Dewar Trophy. The Cadillacs were entered into this contest by an independent car salesman who did not represent Cadillac as a Cadillac dealer. If Ford had entered three Ford Model whatevers (a T?), they could have won the Standard of the World trophy.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Anyone think Cadillac will ever sell a gas engine with a turbo?
The closest modern equivalent would be something like the Mercedes Kompressor models. A great way to get V6 power out of a tiny engine.
They have little Eaton Superchargers.
Perhaps GM cars have always been fine for people that are only going to keep their cars 1 or 3 years, ( I believe that's what their business model was based on for many many years), however most of us aren't that rich
And.... I didn't grow up on GM cars. My dad hated them. He was always driving something German, whether it be BMW, Mercedes, Volkwagen or Saab. He didn't have anything nice to say about the Saab.
And what does growing up on something have to do with anything? I grew up with Vaseline Lotion. When I got smarter and older, I switched to the lotion that Avalon Organics and Aveda makes (both have botanical as opposed to petroleum ingredients, they are of much better quality, they don't clog your pores, they have no artifical glue-like smells)
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Lem, It's no use talking to him. I grew up in GM cars, have owned nothing but GM cars in 23 yrs. of driving, and NEVER had a major repair. Maybe he should change his name to GM buttonpusher
If you've had good experiences with GM cars, well GOOD for you. I can only go by own experience and experiences that my friends have had out here on the west coast with their TERRIBLE products. And believe me, the experiences have been deplorable.
One of the problems among many that GM has is they're too big for their britches. There seems to be a distinctlack of synergy with that corporation.
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SSSSSSSSSSSHHHH!!! Don't let mediapusher hear us talk like this, he won't believe it and make a stink to prove it.
Anything that is sent off to the rental fleets are churned out with the cheapest components and engines that they make. The stuff that never gets sold to fleets, OTOH, is easily as reliable and nice as anything Toyota or Honda makes - or so close that it comes down to personal preference.
It's really two GMs that we deal with - the OMG it's such junk low-end and the "really nice" top end - with almnost nothing inbetween. And the good/bad line sometimes has some odd areas where it takes a left turn, like the Lucerne.
The base Lucerne is rental fodder and with the 3800 engine, nasty suspension, and a plain vanilla interior, it sucks. The CXS with the Northstar V8, the Cadillac suspension(same technology as they use on the Corvette - just tuned much softer), and a great interior... like two different vehicles.
My guess is that GM has a couple of production lines set aside for purely rental/fleet sales. They make no money on these - in fact lose some, and so there's just no incentive anywhere to really double-check the quality. I'd not do it either if I were running the company(shoot, I'd get rid of ALL fleet sales entirely and drop all "base" models as well).
Your friends "out west" almost certainly had the rental fodder/more basic boxes. Oh - this also holds true for Ford - some cars are utter rubbish while others are great.
Take for instance, the last four cars my parents have had. 2 Lesabres and two Park Avenues. All four were top-trim "Ultra" or "Limited" models. They are/were indestructible and lasted 18 and 17 years, plus 12 on the current Park Ave and 8 on the current LeSabre. Very little work done on the Last two(the first two cost more to maintain, but the idea that they fall apart after 3-4 years... 18 years is a good run for any car.)
Yes, the 12 year old Park Ave and the 8 year old LeSabre still run just fine with well over 100K on each of them.
In my 25 years of car buying, I had never bought a domestic 'till my '99 Chrysler 300M. Really enjoyed that car. While not as well built or as completely reliable as my Japaneese fleet, I really have nothing bad to say about it. But, I wasn't going to keep it past 70,000 miles. Traded it for a TL in '05. Fab car...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
That's what I'm talking about, how can they live with themselves realeasing such junk :lemon: Cadillac Catera :lemon:?? How fast can you say, bland subpar exterior design for a Cadillac, and electrical system nightmare??. What's really sad is the rebadged Opel that they used for the Cadillac Catera is probably a decent car- but not when GM put their poison wrench on it. i know that was 5 years ago, but that's not that long ago by car manufacturing standards.
Check on the STS-Is-it-good-quality board and see what an owner has to say about a 2005 STS .. Standard of the world... puhleeease.
And Plekto, why in the world would GM even bother with providing rental fleets? All the financial mess they have with pensions, health care, etc..It's ridiculous.
Hmmm, we (U.S.A.) have merely become the test track for General Motors. A sad state of affairs, but true.
If I could buy one 12 years old in perfect condition I would, and I'd stick a new engine in it...Great cars
PIcture an Acura TL gussied up from the talented crew on MTV's Pimp My Ride...delicious
You answered your own question. They have to keep people working or pay them to sit in a rubber room. At least if they break even selling to fleets they have them working and it is not a total loss on labor costs.
I wanted to rent an Escalade this last trip to Hawaii. They were all booked up months in advance. They have a bunch of them on the Big Island. I ended up with the little TrailBlazer. It was a bit cramped when we had 5 adults and one child. Some body has to provide vehicles for the rental fleets. I see more Chryslers than any other brand.
1 - the Catera was a small part of Cadillac's total sales
2 - I think the the 1999 Catera is the one with the electrical problems. I think the years before and after 1999 were more reliable.
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=3&docid=36708
GM = up overall.
Caddy = down 14.7% vs last May.
Caddy = down 18.2% vs last Cal YTD.
Not very encouraging...
- Ray
Seeing EVERY caddy model down...
Correct - I left 1 word out:
Caddy CAR models...
I suppose Caddy may see Trucks and SUVs as their salvation.
Sorry,
- Ray
I don't............
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