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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Thanks all - that's plenty for what I needed.

    Now to tweak the categories and attract some new posters maybe. :shades:

    I have to agree that the Pilot seems big for a crossover - but I have similar reservations about the Highlander and MDX as well. I lean more towards a crossover being more of a high clearance wagon with available AWD and maybe a little 3rd row squeezed in.

    We about beat the CR-V v Escape/Tribute comparison to death, so they can manage on their own. :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    If the Pilot is big at ~188", what is the Acadia at ~201"?

    I'm curious steve_, are you creating new threads?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Just priming the pump for the new year and you guys are more up on what's out there than I am. :blush:
  • bobw3bobw3 Member Posts: 2,989
    Maybe you should distinguish between CUV that can hold 7 adults versus those that can only hold 5.
  • chuckhoychuckhoy Member Posts: 420
    have reading your arguments about Pilot and TX. One thing is bothering me, why do you need DVD player in car. Do you know fact that, the pediatric USA are very recommended don't let kids to watch a TV at all before 2 years old, and after maximum two hours a day. By the 5-6 year old they, kids, rather play a game boy, so built-in DVD is useless option. It's a cheaper to buy a head rest DVD( portable, hang over head rest).

    1) Please don't tell people how to raise their kids. It only causes anger for no good reason. Everyone has heard the experts proclaim that kids should not watch TV, play video games, be spanked, eat fast food, run with scissors, etc...blah, blah blah. Nobody is a perfect parent and we all do things that we are not supposed to do.

    2) I have owned one of those portable DVD systems and it was a pain in the butt. There were harnesses everywhere and wires for feet to get tangled in. No fun at all. The extra couple hundred $ is worth it to eliminate the hassle.
  • flufflebugflufflebug Member Posts: 7
    The power passenger seat isn't standard on the TX Limited either but you can get it in a package and still undercut the Pilot's price while getting more.

    Are you referring to the front row passenger seat? I have a TX Limited and it came standard with power front passenger seat (unless I don't understand what you mean by power passenger seat). The only options I got was auxillary heat for 3rd row, bench 2nd row, and the entertainment system (yes, I got the DVD player and I love it- it's a huge improvement over the DVD player that was in my Freestyle).
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    I've never had anyDVD player, although we have three kids. The longs trips we had taken each 2-3 month about 200-300 miles, and kid never scream or something like that, so I don't see why do u need DVD player in car. But this discussion for other thread.
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    We have small, medium and large sedans, same for SUV's.
    Why can we applied same rule for CUV?
    Also, Crossover, as vehicle can crossover with the van and SUV.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    The longs trips we had taken each 2-3 month about 200-300 miles, and kid never scream or something like that, so I don't see why do u need DVD player in car.

    200-300 miles isn't what I'd consider a long trip. I just returned home from a trip to Oklahoma (I'm in Alabama). We put 1900 miles on my great-aunt's Honda Odyssey. That, is a long trip. We never needed to watch a movie; we just drove, slept, listened to CDs, etc.

    That trip is just about 13 hours one-way, from Birmingham to Memphis to Little Rock to Fort Smith to Oklahoma City. Whew!
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    1.) CR-V
    2.) Escape/Tribute (Popular, but not too carlike)
    3.) RAV4


    I have lots of driving experience in all three. I have not driven the new RAV, but I have driven the new Escape/Tribute and CR-V. I think the newer Escape / Tributes have a nicer, car like ride then they did before, however, I like the previous generation much better, especially the V6 models. Many don't know this, but the Escape / Tributes have a really good repair record, minus the first year (2001). We all know Toyotas and Hondas track record for these vehicles.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Pilto is a truck to me. IMO it's the real meaning of car based truck.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Are you referring to the front row passenger seat?

    I dodn't write that statement you qutoed from my post. I quoted it from someone else. I actually don't know, and for Ford's sake, I hope you are right, because that's a dumb mistake not to make that standard.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I've never had anyDVD player, although we have three kids. The longs trips we had taken each 2-3 month about 200-300 miles, and kid never scream or something like that, so I don't see why do u need DVD player in car. But this discussion for other thread.

    Because you have never experienced one, but your right- this is a topic for another thread.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    Pilto is a truck to me. IMO it's the real meaning of car based truck.


    I will disagree. It has independent suspension and is made of unibody construction. It looks more like a truck because if its boxy shape.

    If anything, the Ridgeline would be car-based pick-up. It's really not a true truck at all.
  • larryqwlarryqw Member Posts: 52
    I originally thought the Navigation and Family Entertainment System (FES) with DVD were both a waste of money. But I looked into it more and decided to order them for the following reasons:

    Built-in Navigation:
    AGAINST:
    A. The auto navigation system software and hardware seems to always be a couple years behind the portable market, in terms of features, ease of use, number of waypoints and addresses stored, etc....
    B. An excellent portable system can be purchased under $1000 (I have three portable Garmins for car and biking use), whereas the automobile systems cost nearly $2000. (The Navigation on my Taurus-X is costing me $1700)
    C. A portable unit can be linked via USB into your home computer to more conveniently edit waypoints and routes.

    FOR:
    A. Although GPS evolution is rapid, the units installed in cars are still very functional for the intended uses,. All GPS go out of date and require updates. Fortunately, all systems have software upgrades, including built-in systems, especially important considering their lifetime. So the built-in features will tend to track the portable evolution in capability with a little lag.
    B. The navigation system built into a car has the largest screen for navigation, making it easier to navigate, find addresses, phone numbers and other items.
    C. The large navigation screen is nicely used by the car manufacturers for all other functions, such as radio, satellite, numerous settings for balance, bass, fade, identifying songs, and so on. The touch screen soft keys can provide a much more usable interface with less hard keys needed on the car panel.
    D. When used with Ford/Microsoft Sync, the Nav screen is nicely integrated. You can access your phone book and it provides a large screen visual confirmation when used with voice control. You can read song lists off your iPod or MP3 player using this screen.
    E. Overall, the car navigation system is a much nicer system than portable GPS for it's intended purpose in terms of size, electronic integration, voice control and menu integration with Sync. It fits nicer into the car without a lot of wires and suction cups. For me, it was worth the ~$800 more.

    Family Entertainment System (FES) - DVD player
    AGAINST
    A. Kids should be doing other things, talking with family or each other, looking out, reading books, etc.. (Counter argument, they never do that anyway, with or without DVD available)
    B. You can get a portable unit for the car at much lower cost. (My FES cost me $860 and you may be able to get a portable DVD player similar features such as wireless headphones and headrest screens for less, maybe half price. But the portable screens will be smaller.)

    FOR
    A. A DVD player is nice to pass time with movies on long boring trips across the desert or down long freeways we've often done on family trips in CA.
    B. The player can be used to watch home videos taken on vacation, via the external inputs.
    C. The kids in back can play their own separate music CD (not just DVD) on the FES, going to separate wireless headphones.
    D. For me the biggest plus is the Audio integration. Sound can be cut off to speakers in back when the kids play a CD or DVD. It can go to one of two wireless headsets. Or each wireless headset can listen to the DVD or the other radio, satellite, or MP3 or USB music file channel up front, independently of the driver. That's right, people in the car can be listening to three different things at once, important with my kids having an age span from 5 to 17 years old. Also, the rear passengers can control (if allowed) the front system for radio and satellite and MP3 player (with SYNC). With MP3 taking over from CDs, the FES and SYNC work well together for future car value.
    E. With the Sync system, the FES allows much more control and flexibilty in the audio and DVD systems. Everyone can control the other (front Nav screen can also control the rear DVD and audio, and the rear remote control can also control the front systems).

    The point is that the Navigation is not just a GPS, its a big control screen with a lot more system controls integrated.

    Similarly, the FES is not just a DVD player, it really is an Family Entertainment System with lots of various listening and playing options and controls, which 95% of the time will be used very practically for audio, not movies.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We have small, medium and large sedans, same for SUV's.

    We could try that ... but Pat may just be better at organizing stuff. :shades: With all the overlap, I suspect we'd have three discussions that would mirror each other.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I think we should all vote for our favorite CUV, and maybe a runner up.

    My vote for #1:
    Saturn Outlook

    Why- No other vehicle combines this much space and comfort. Ride is smooth, and for an almost 5000lbs vehicle, is much quicker and handles smaller than expected. (I actually like the Acadia better, but the outlook is 2grand cheaper, making it better priced than some of it's smaller competitors). Homerun for GM.

    2nd Place:
    Mazda CX-9

    Why- does a pretty good jpob of combining sport with utility for a good family vehicle. A step up for Mazda. (I debated choosing this over the Taurus X, but whille it gives more utility, the CX-9 gives a larger dose of fun).

    Maybe an editor could total up the votes, and we could see who the forum favors.
  • jimmy2xjimmy2x Member Posts: 124
    Maybe you should distinguish between CUV that can hold 7 adults versus those that can only hold 5.

    FWIW - Strongly agree
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    I can agree with that:
    This is my top five 7 pass. CUV
    1. Outlook (Acadia entry level look better from the rear, has 4 exhaust pipes, but couple grand difference can make better choice for entry level customer)
    2. Mazda CX-9- no doubt about.
    3. Hightlander ( I choose over TX for only one reason: Today, on parking lot someone parked TX right beside my Acadia. I'm looked a close again and found myself on thought this car not much different , than any other wagon. So ,it seats low on road and makes more like a sedan/wagon.)
    4. TX
    5. Pilot. (Good car, but boxier design)
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I will disagree. It has independent suspension and is made of unibody construction. It looks more like a truck because if its boxy shape.

    That is exactly the definition of a crossover. But the Pilot pretends to be a traditional SUV with its boxy design and rough uncar-like design. This was prabably intentional as at the time of Pilot's debut, CUVs weren't as widely popular. It's very trucklike.
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    I think we should all vote for our favorite CUV, and maybe a runner up.

    I'm holding out until I see pictures of the 2009 Honda Pilot. I think it might combine elements of the Acadia and the CX-9 (i.e. bigger size than the outgoing Pilot, and some added sportitude (I don't think that's a word) borrowed from the MDX!
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    I believe I proved to you the negative of this, as Honda gives you a larger screen (without increasing the price from its smaller predecessor) and you haven't given me any example of a feature on the Ford's that isn't on the Honda's.


    I believe it was 3 times that I pointed out to you that the Ford system has every single control on the roof unit whereas the Honda does not. I didn't notice any inputs for a video game system or something else of the like on the Honda system either. The Ford system does have one.

    Not true- you can a the beeping system. That's whats 400 bucks.

    Yes it is true because the "beeping" reverse sensing system is NOT a backup camera. BTW, the TX Limited has the "beeping" system standard too. ;)

    What? That's dissapointing. Power passenger seats should be standard in all topline models of these cuvs.

    As someone else pointed out, I was wrong about that. Turns out the power passenger seat (4-way with manual lumbar adjustment) IS standard on the TX EB and Limited trims. It's an option on the base SEL.
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    I can agree with the power seat should be standard, but most people and including me have not choose vehicle by power seat, they choose by ride and space for CUV vehicles.
    The perfect vehicle for me have driver seat have a lot space (i'm only 6'0", 180 lbs), I meant seat as your at home in comfy seat. I think Highlander has small seat or around area tight. Acadia is perfect seat for me, i feel a lot space there.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    The point of this is your favorite CUV right now- of those that are in production. If you had to buy a three row CUV right now, which would it be?
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I believe it was 3 times that I pointed out to you that the Ford system has every single control on the roof unit whereas the Honda does not. I didn't notice any inputs for a video game system or something else of the like on the Honda system either. The Ford system does have one.

    And I pointed out several times that it was nicer not to have all of the controls on the unit because it cluters the unit.I believe there are inputs somewhere on the Honda system on the floor where you can plug up game systems. But where does the Ford have them? On the roof? That's convienient.

    As someone else pointed out, I was wrong about that. Turns out the power passenger seat (4-way with manual lumbar adjustment) IS standard on the TX EB and Limited trims. It's an option on the base SEL.

    Yes- I acknowledged his post too, but it makes me wonder- what else are you worng about? I did blindly follow your statement that the Pilot doesn't have dual power seats, but I know it probably does. Going to look at the site right now.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Maybe you should distinguish between CUV that can hold 7 adults versus those that can only hold 5.

    I disagree. The Rav-4 and outlander, clearly small CUVs seat seven, whereas the very midsize Equinox and Murano seat just 5. It should be measured by size (length). 185 in and under=compact CUV, 185-195=midsize, and 195+ is full size.
  • jigmasterjigmaster Member Posts: 32
    My 2 cents: Enclave , SRX and MB- GL450 probably is out of competition due to price?
    If rating remaining 7 pass crossovers:

    1.TX: The most affordable, highest safety ratings, most car like drive, probably the best 3 row leg room.
    2.CX-9
    3. Acadia
    4. Highlander
    5. Suzuki XL-7
    6. Outlook
    7. Hyundai Veracruz
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    "TX: The most affordable, highest safety ratings, most car like drive, probably the best 3 row leg room."

    I know different information Acadia scored highest safety rating. Plus, Ford can call TX as CUV, SUV or wherever, but at end it's wagon. This year new model coming from ford, it will be real CUV.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Please enlighten us with what you've found albook. I've been the one doing the research for you to find the facts and prove your un-researched statements wrong. You outright stated that the Pilot came with a power passenger seat (and for some insane reason thing reverse sensors are the same thing as a backup camera ). I proved you wrong so learn from it and try to be more grateful in the future please. Here's the link to the 2008 full spec sheet again in case you lied about actually going to the site and looking again.

    After actually doing osme resaerch for myself to disprove you wrong and abviously biased against Honda statements, I did find some things. Well this is interesting. You were right about the Pilot's not having a power passenger seat. That's about it. The Pilot EX-L with DVD comes with fog lights, which you said in a previous post was not so. Also, you said the TX limited came standard with backup camera. It does not, but comes with backup sensors, like the Pilot. So you are either misinformed, or have decided to lie and leave some features out.

    You asked me to tell you one thing that the Ford unit had that the Honda unit did not have. Whether you like the feature or not has been noted but just try and deal with the fact that I was answering your query.

    I wouldn't call having all the controls on the unit a feature. Even so, beside that you haven't given me one function the TX's system can carry out in which the Pilot's can't. You have to deal with the fact that the answer you gave me was your personal oppinion- nothing more.

    It depends on how you look at it. If they are on the floor console then kids can trip over them when trying to cross the rear floor to get out the door on the other side they were sitting on. With them on the roof like the Ford unit has, top left on the side and not in the driver's view, that doesn't happen. IMO, Ford wins again.

    Don't even try to say having the inputs on the roof is a convinience. this way, you can trip over them or pull them out. With them on the floor, they aren't hanging from the ceiling, but are flat on the floor. So, if it is true that Honda has inputs on the floor, they definitely win for convienience and ergonomics, and Ford has some catching up to do.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    My 2 cents: Enclave , SRX and MB- GL450 probably is out of competition due to price?

    Well the GL450 isn't a CUV, but a true body on frame SUV. But no- if it's a 7passenger CUV thats midsized or larger (Outlander and RAV-4 not included ) then it counts- even Audi Q7 and MB R-class. And the Enclave isn't much more expensive than anything else in this comparison.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I know different information Acadia scored highest safety rating. Plus, Ford can call TX as CUV, SUV or wherever, but at end it's wagon. This year new model coming from ford, it will be real CUV.

    I would also disagree as I feel the Acadia is so much more comfortable and spacious inside despite being only a 1/2 inch longer, but that's not really the point of this. We are just expressing which CUV we think is best, so I don't think it's necessary to post a response disagreeing, as it's only oppinion.
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    My ratings would be:

    1. Audi Q7: sure, it starts at $40k, but I thought it had the best ride and interior quality of the CUVs I tested.
    2. CX-9: rides like a sports sedan, felt more confident driving it than the Acadia.
    3. Acadia: great interior space, love the captains chairs, did not love the gear-hunting and low end punch of the engine (I understand much of this has been addressed in the software recalls)

    I'd probably pick the Q7 if I wanted to spend $40k on a car, but I don't. Since I like a more sporty feel, I tend to lean toward the CX-9 as opposed to the Acadia.
  • allison5allison5 Member Posts: 130
    I am new to this forum but am very interested in what people think here. I have a 04 GMC Yukon, wanting to trade it in. Just having a lot of problems with it, has almost 70,000 miles on it etc. I have been seriously looking into Acadia, have also looked at many other crossovers such as MDX, Highlander etc Need an AWD vehicle. I really am concerned about how many people who have Acadias have had problems such as transmission, shutting down, even with the 2008's. I realize these are only a handful of people but still. I have 3 kids 13 and under as well as a 90 lb dog that goes with us to mountains, beach etc so I can't have anything too small. I am trying to stay away from another SUV the size of what I have for gas reasons. I pay about 3.40 here in ca. Does anyone have any ideas about what kind of SUV I should get. Appreciate any advice.
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    If gas prices are an issue, the Highlander and the Tahoe both have hybrid versions. The Hylander Hybrid is "affordable" (starts at $34k, if I recall), while the Tahoe hybrid starts near $50k.

    With 3 kids and the dog, I'd probably consider the Acadia with the Captains chairs, for the ease of getting into the 3rd row (although the Highlander also has the Captains chairs, just less interior room). Otherwise it's a minivan.....
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I'd go for the Acadia. Sounds like you need a lot of space, and the Acadia would be the most spacious in the group. I haven't heard anything about transmissions shutting down, only some gear hunting- which I don't really think is too bad. Have you driven it?
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Otherwise it's a minivan.....

    Tidester! He said the M word!
  • jigmasterjigmaster Member Posts: 32
    According to Insurance Institute for Highway safety tests only TX, Highlander and Veracruz earned top safety pick. Neither Acadia nor Outlook were mentioned there.
    http://www.iihs.org/

    Ford claims on their web site that " TX is safest 7 pass crossover" is based on offical tests, picks and ratings from NHTSA,IIHS ,etc.

    GMC says, "highest possible safety ratings" although on rollover test it gets 4 stars - same like TX.

    So which company is lying?
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    He said the M word!

    But he qualified it with the word "otherwise!" :P

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    I never said the Acadia was safer, though when tested it very well could be. I simply said it was the most comfortable and had the largest most comfortable interior.

    Who's lying? Who knows. Could be Ford. Could be GM. Could be both. Could be Ford.
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    My personal experience with trans for Acadia, it's getting better more miles you put in. I have 08’ model, did upload new software, don't feel any difference, may be feel even worse. Some one at dealer (manager service department) told me that trans learning your driving habits, I thought it's full .....! But, later after 1500 miles, trans. started response wherever you're expecting. It's amazing, it really surprise me. Now I have little over 2000 miles, no complains. Also MPG gets better each week. From 14.5 (100% heavy traffic to work and home) came right now 17.5 (last week), so it's getting what have been promise. Some people need to be patient. I didn’t have any other problems.
  • jpzengerjpzenger Member Posts: 4
    A question was asked above about the safety claims of the various manufacturers. The Feds give out up to 4 stars. It is not hard today for most vehicles to obtain 4 stars under the Federal ranking.

    The Insurance Institute testing is much more advanced and sophisticated. It looks at many different angles of crashes, vs. just running into a wall head-on. According to the Insurance Institute, about 10 vehicles achieved their highest rating - mainly including the Taurus X, the Taurus, some Volvos and some Audis.

    The Taurus X is built upon a Volvo platform and has a full set of air bags, traction control, and stability control as standard features.
  • tencjeddtencjedd Member Posts: 44
    Actually, the Feds give out up to 5 stars. You can find the ratings on all cars at....

    http://www.safercar.gov/

    The reason the IIHS doesn't have crash data available yet for the Acadia/Outlook/Enclave is they are too new. The reality is, a car of this size/weight is likely to fair well in their offset head on test, but only time will tell.
  • jigmasterjigmaster Member Posts: 32
    Thats poor excuse that they are to new, TX is 2008 model, while Acadia and Outlook have 2007 models.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    IIHS only tests a certain # of cars a year IIRC, so that may be why the Acadia/Outlook have not been tested yet.

    -mike
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Still, the Acadia placed the highest ratings possible for NHTSA, so it seems just as safe as the Taurus X.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    HOST,

    Is there a bug with the my tracked items for this thread? This continuously shows up on my tracked items (along with one or two other threads) even though there are no new messages here. It also takes me back to over 100 posts ago every time I click the link to check for what it says are "2" new posts.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Still, the Acadia placed the highest ratings possible for NHTSA, so it seems just as safe as the Taurus X.

    It might be, but not for sure. Many vehicles in the past did quite well on NHTSA test and poorly on the iihs scores. (This has improved as consumers pay more attention to both test results, prompting manufacturers to improve their performance for both parameters.) IIHS does an offset crash which is more real world than the US gov't frontal impact. Cars rarely crash into flat walls or meet other vehicles perfectly head on, rather, they tend to hit at an angle. IIHS also assesses headrests.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yes there is a bug and it's being worked on. Different members get stuck on different discussions though - I keep getting sent back to Politics over and over. Now that's buggy!
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