Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    To eliminate the possiblity that it could be the CD disk, take those same CDs and replay them in your other sub over the same bumps.
    It could also be the CD needs some cleaning or scratched.
    Not saying it is not the player; just covering possibilities. :)

    -Dave
  • bobbymeisterbobbymeister Member Posts: 4
    Never buy gas if you pullin and their is a tanker refueling !
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    John,

    Glad to see you go synthetic for all the right reasons, but i would say wait till 3000-3500 miles. i went through a lot of pages and discussions to first decide whether i should go with synthetic and then when. from what i found out, it is best to let the engine break in well before putting synthetic. i remember someone even emailed Subaru about it and SOA said synthetic is fine, but to do it at the first scheduled oil change (3750). my 2c

    i think the quotes around the expert say it all for the guy reviewing the Forester. Sure, it´s not a car for everybody but it doesn´t pretend to be either. Look at the demographics of Subaru owners... it´s definitely not mediocre. i have never thought of clutch being a problem and from day 1 my wife and i enjoyed the MT (we would never buy an automatic). as for erratic, maybe he was refering to the hill-holder without knowing about it?? backing on a hill is a bit different and several people would like to see the HH disengaged altogether...
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    I drive different Subies every day, and I guess I'm so accustomed to the clutch I don't notice anything strange.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    The CD player in my Outback skipped ocassionally for the first month (over bumps), and then settled down and doesn't skip anymore.

    The CD changer in our Forester XS has not skipped at all in the 7-8 months we have had the car.

    Any easy thing to try is to put a lens cleaner in there. If all else fails, talk to the dealer. It's fairly easy to swap the radio, and they could put a new one in there under warranty.

    Craig
  • laker64laker64 Member Posts: 9
    I know this has already been discussed, but could someone recap the pros & cons of synthetic oil vs regular? Forester synthetic oil users - are you happy with your decision to use it? Thanks!
  • basschopsbasschops Member Posts: 3
    Recently bought a Toyota Matrix, but am finding the seats extremely uncomfortable. Also, I seem to bounce quite a bit in the seat - they seem to be made of springy material. (Didn't notice this in the test drive) I have back/neck problems from being rear-ended 3 times and an ergonmic seat/comfort is a must.

    I test drove Impreza and Legacy, but the curve of the console pushed my right heel to the left and caused pain in my knee and hip. The Forester console doesn't curve out, but is right up against my foot. I know this seems very picky, but unfortunately, I have to be. So, I was wondering what other people's experiences are with driving comfort in the Forester, as I'm considering trading in the Matrix for one.

    I had owned a Toyota Corolla liftback (which just got wrecked in the last accident), and was hoping the Matrix would be as satisfying. I had absolutely no mechanical problems with the Corolla, just regular maintenance. So I'm also concerned about reliability of the Forester. And also if it floats on the highway in strong winds - I've noticed this with the Matrix.

    Any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated.
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I have a 2001 Forester S and find it very comfortable to drive. Lots of leg and elbow room. My wife has a 2002 Outback, and, even though it is a bigger car overall, I find it somewhat more confining in the driver's seat. Not really uncomfortable, mind you, but there is definitely less room for me to move around. You definitely need to feel comfortable in whatever vehicle you choose.

    Len
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    A religious subject :-)

    I recommend the Synthetic motor oil and Engine Oil - A slippery subject Part 2 discussions.

    Steve, Host
    (dead dino changed per the manual)
  • sunshine21sunshine21 Member Posts: 10
    thanks Dave and Craig...i appreciate the input on the cd player problem..Dave i took out the cd's and re-loaded them..they were new cd's..I no longer have the othr sub..i traded my outback for the forester ..I will now try the lens cleaner suggestion ...thanks again.....
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Interesting story about possible moves by GM to build Saabs in the US and, maybe, bring a WRX-like model into the Saab mix:

    http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=00547840

    Enjoy!

    burnsmr4
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Why not? Add some nicer interior materials and they could charge a fortune for them.

    Glad to hear February sales were up. I wonder if that big storm on the East Coast made people run to their nearest Soob dealer?

    We have a 6CD changer in our Forester and Legacy, both from a WRX. I assume the unit is similar to the one that goes in the Forester, except it has a black surround vs. silver (which the WRX gets next year).

    Any how, neither has ever skipped. My Miata has a single CD that skips like crazy on the same roads, so I'd have your stereo checked out.

    kajko: how are ya? You get those replacement springs yet?

    basschops: take a good long test drive and get comfy, try all the adjustments. I'd even ask if they have a loaner you could borrow overnight. I know it's a stretch, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    Is there any indication that the subie 2.5 engine is not broken in after 1000 miles? That would be the only reason not to switch to synthetic at that date. BTW, I am getting close to 30 mpg already after 700 miles, not sure that I need any more "breaking in".

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If your mileage is that good, you seemingly got one off the assembly line that was blueprinted and machined.

    The pistons have already seated, else you wouldn't be using so little fuel. I'd say the light is green if you want to go synthetic.

    -juice
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    The big storm did send folks in, we had three who's cars were totalled. All three customers were undamaged, so they bought new Subies to replace them. Too bad they had to get a new car that way, though.
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    hi John,

    good point, it depends how the car was driven, etc. unfortunately, in our case we had to make a long highway trip to Arizona with only a few hundred miles. i held off for the synthetic swap until i put more miles in the city in all kinds of revving. i too started getting nearly 30mpg early on (as long as your speed stays <65-70mph), but that i think has to do more with the ECU rather than the rubbing of the pistons, and the actual break in of the metal parts. actually, my average mpg jumped a bit after putting in the synthetic...
    i heard Porsche and Mercedes break in their engines before assemblying the car, would be interesting to find out what they consider "break in"

    juice: i´m out of the country right now so i won´t find out until the end of the month. will definitely keep all updated.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Gotcha, thanks.

    So, the snow sparked up a temporary demand for new cars? Interesting.

    -juice
  • beanboybeanboy Member Posts: 442
    Friend of mine has a O2 sensor code being thrown. Could have sworn I read about overy sensitive, err, O2 sensors somewhere. Anybody have problems? Thanks!

    -B
  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    I could be wrong, but subaru has many warnings about what to do and not do with the 6 disk changer. If I remember correctly, I saw that they said NOT to use a lens cleaner on it. So, check the manual first.
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Per http://my.subaru.com/vehicle/Manuals/2000/Legacy/Leg_sect_5.pdf (you'll need to signin to My.Subaru.Com to view this)

    Quoted here from the 2000 Owners Manual for the 6cd changer:
    Do not use CDs listed below which could cause damage to the CD player.
    &#02; 3-inch (8 cm) compact disc.
    &#02; Any disc with a peel-off or seal on it.
    &#02; Any disc with scratches and/or dust.
    &#02; Bent disc.
    &#02; Cleaning disc.
    &#02; CD accessory. (E.g., 3-inch (8 cm) disc adapter)


    -Brian
  • eps105eps105 Member Posts: 216
    I have a 2003 Forester XS with the 6 CD changer. I keep copies of my favorite discs handy in my car, and CD-R's are known to be more sensitive to skipping than regular CD's since they have lower reflectivity.

    Anyway, about 2 months into my ownership of my Forester, all of my CD-Rs started skipping horribly. Regular CD's played OK. I figured some dirt or haze got on the head and it was having just enough performance reduction to have trouble reading the CD-Rs.

    So I bought a $10 CD head dry cleaner (it's nothing more than a CD with little tiny brushes glued on.) It didn't help. So I added a few drops of isopropyl alcohol to the brush tips. After doing this about 5 times, the head finally got clean and the problem has completely gone away -- it's been over 6 months since then.

    I am sure Subaru has that disclaimer to keep you from doing anything that may potentially cause damage, but I can assure you it does no harm and solved my problem!

    Elliot
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    my '03 Forester XS 5 speed got 29.2 mpg on my 2nd tank of gas, 80% highway and 20% city. I figure I saved $16 for what my old '89 Trooper 5 speed would have cost. Swweeet..

    John
  • john385john385 Member Posts: 8
    Congrats, How did you drive, featherfoot? How did you measure the gallons of gas used?

    Last MPG I got for my 01 Sub Forester S, is 23.49mpg, what I did was setting to 0 when I filled up the gas, and next time when I fill up, I put down the gallons used, and use that for the measurement, I used to just estimate the gallons used roughly by the fuel gauge, but it seems that fillup without topping off is the way to go.
  • john385john385 Member Posts: 8
    The warm season is coming, I got to put the trailer hitch on, what powertool do I need to get to do this? I read the old message here about installation, it read that 58 lbs torque is needed to fully fasten the bolts. I only got a hand tool, is that doable? Last time I tried, I couldn't even take the bolts off.....
  • dulesdules Member Posts: 37
    We have a Forester XS 5 sp with about 200 miles on it. :) This AM it was about 20 degrees in N NJ and I had to take my husband to the train.

    Running a little late, I didn't have time to really let the car warm up (maybe 5-10 seconds) then put in reverse and backed to the end of the driveway. Brake, clutch in, no gas, waiting for traffic so I could back out.

    Engine started to rev (was not touching gas) and went all the way up to 3K RPM, stayed there for ~5 seconds or so, then dropped back down. Got an open space in traffic and moved out.

    Is this revving because I didn't warm it up enough? The car drove fine after, and within 5 mins or so the temp gauge was in the middle. It was just a little disconcerting.

    Thanks for any feedback!

    Julie

    P.S. Gas mileage is supposed to be lower in break in period, correct?

    P.P.S. The "expert" reviewer who didn't like the Forester 5 sp baffles me. It's a change from my old Honda, but still lots of fun to drive!
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    John- Congrats. That's excellent mpg. I think the highest I've seen reported was someone who got 31 mpg on a trip. I've gotten just over 30 mpg a couple of times on trips and usually avg around 27.5. However, there are plenty of owners who struggle to get much over 20 mpg so count yourself fortunate.

    -Frank P.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Beanboy, and all others who may experience this. I have an 02 L 5sp, and have experienced a mild backfire on shifting from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd since day 1. Local dealer told me this was normal and to 'live with it'. Well, 32k and 3 oxygen sensors later, the backfire is still there. They even sent out the ECU for reprogramming. I feel this may be the cause of the Sensors failing. So I opened a "Case" with Subaru as I feel if this sensor is failing so frequently, that I should not have to pay for it after the 36K warrenty is up. (YES I thought the emissions were covered for up to 5 yrs, but it doesn't include the o2 sensor, go figure). They have since given a generic reply that they have not experienced an overwheling fallout of these and if it fails again I am to contact them before I go for service. That to me is acceptable.
    What I will ask is that if you either have the backfire (seems to be manual transmission only), or more than one O2 sensor replaced, PLEASE go to the Subaru.com website and on the bottom right click on Contact and please report this as from this forum and the Gartland Subaru forum, this is more common than Subaru is letting us know. This is my 5th Suby and I am please with it. This is my only complaint. Thanks for listening.
  • lspivalspiva Member Posts: 49
    Following on all the posts, it made me wonder what is causing so wide range difference in MPG numbers.

    I am personally own 03 XS with AT for about 10 months already.

    I am setting all 4 tire's preasure at 32 psi, using a Costco brand (cheapest one in California) regular gas, the engine oil is Mobil 1 10W30 syntetyc, and car has 6.2k miles. But I was never able to get more 20 MPG (city/freeway combo driving).

    My previous 97 Altima with MT was easily giving me 25/29 MPG. About the same engine size (2.4L 150hp).

    But in anyway, I will not trade my Forester just because of the low MPG. The handling on a rainig day on San Francisco hills means more to me than a few more bucks per tank.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We play CD-Rs on both of our 6CD changers, and have no problems with skipping. Haven't had to pay for a new CD in ages! :-)

    John: I'd love to see you break a record. I think the best ever was 33.4 mpg, all highway. Go for it!

    The other John: no way, no how will a handy tool remove the big, 17mm bolts that fasten the two tow hooks. You need a 17mm socket and a long-shaft torque wrench, plus some strength.

    There are 7 bolts overall. I used ramps to lift the back, and tie straps to hold the hitch in place while I bolted it up. I worked alone, but it would have been a lot easier with two people.

    Julie: try to give it at least 10 seconds idling to establish oil pressure. The ECU adjusts the revs so it won't stall at first, so the high rpm is normal.

    Michael: O2 sensors are normal wear and tear. In fact, Bosch recommends changing them every 30k miles. Of course they stand to benefit from that because they make them.

    Leo: extra weight, AWD, and aerodynamics explains the difference between the two vehicles. Plus a little more displacment, power, and torque.

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Is it backfiring or a popping sound? If it's popping, adding the chrome tailpipe extension apparently alleviates the sound. Don't ask me how, I just remember this topic coming up before.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    FWIW, I have the tailpipe extension and have never once heard a backfire in 50k miles.

    -juice
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    I wouldn't call it a backfire, but I occasionally get a muffled "pop" on shifting from 1st to 2nd. I seem to recall speculation concerning a problem/issue with the exhaust system that Subaru was researching back in 2000 or so.

    The "pop" does sound like it's amidships, not under the hood. My engine runs like whipped butta, and my mileage in on the high end of the range reported here, so I've ignored the "pop" as a quirk of the car. FWIW, I have the tailpipe extension too.

    What happens on rapid decompression from ~3500rpm that could cause a popping sound roughly where the headers join the exhaust pipe?

    -brianV
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    FWIW, I've heard quite a few aftermarket exhausts, and those tend to back fire more often. Exhausts are tuned to try to prevent that.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Michael- I have an 01 MT with 45k on the odo and mine started backfiring fairly early on. I've never taken it in because I figured that they'd tell me that it was normal. In fact, it doesn't do it real often and when it does it's just a muted "popping" sound. It certainly doesn't seem to effect the operation of the engine and hasn't caused any O2 sensor failures. Oh yeah, I have the tailpipe extension so you can discount that fix.

    -Frank P.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    I added the extension within the first 2 weeks of ownership. I CAN live with the mild backfire, (it is coming from just below even with the windows opened, so I know it not in the engine compartment). My Concern is 3 sensors in 32K. If caused by the backfire, I just wanted to be on record with Subaru because out of warranty, this is a $149 part and If I don't replace it, which I am well capable of, I incur labor charges. This is the 1st car I have had ANY o2 sensor replaced on, and I disagree that it's a Maintainence item as my wife's 78 SAAB had a "lamda" system on it with a Bosch system and o2 sensor, Never replaced in over 160K, my 82 Subaru, 85, 90 legacy ls, Same performance...No O2 sensors. AND PS....Exhaust IS all original so you can discount aftermarket products for this phenomea. Thanks again for listening.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    It's an often asked quesiton, but gas milage does vary for a lot of reasons and it's hard to pinpoint just one answer. Our vehicles are mass produced so there is going to be some variation to begin with. Operating conditions like temperature, RH, altitude, driving habits, tire selection, tire pressure, payload weight, speed, windows open/closed, road conditions all affect gas milage. Even things like filling your tank at 1/2 vs. 1/4, for example, can change your milage due to the difference in weight.

    I consistently get 24-26mpg on my 5-speed Forester with my 90% highway commute. I've hit close to 30mpg once when making a long road trip. The way I measure my mpg is simple -- reset the trip odo when I fill up, next time I get gas I fill the tank up to the point where the auto-shutoff kicks in (no topping off) and I record the total gallons from my receipt.

    The backfire noise doesn't sound normal for a non-modified exhaust.

    Ken
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Michael- I agree that you're replacing O2 sensors way too often but I'm not convinced that the problem is related to your backfiring.

    FYI: I did have the same MAF sensor replaced twice in the first 12k but I'm pretty sure that was a manufacturing defect.

    -Frank P.
  • ducktapeguyducktapeguy Member Posts: 115
    Could just be the type of driving around there. Everytime I go up there, my MPG drops from around 25 to around 21 mpg. Lowest I got was 17-18 mpg driving in the city. I dunno if it's a different gas or all the hills and traffic, but I definitely get a lot worse milage up there.
  • newsubiefornewsubiefor Member Posts: 2
    I just got a '03 Forester XS. Extremely happy. My normal mpg is 23-25 around town (NJ stop'n'go), got 28 on a road trip recently. Was wondering if the mpg issue could be impacted much by all the accessories: a/c, heated seats, fog lights, etc. Whenever my wife drives she seems to use everything possible, therefore I'd assume her mpg is lower. Haven't checked yet.

    In my Civic there is no difference with mpg whether the a/c is on or off, but my old Old's Ciera could have 1/2 the mpg with the a/c on full time. With auto climate a/c is always on, has anyone seen a difference here?

    Tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    $149 retail ain't too bad, the O2 sensor for our 626 was a whopping $220, over $300 by the time a dealer installed it.

    Go with an aftermarket Bosch O2 sensor, they are about $70. Besides, the OE units don't you've gotten don't seem to be durable on your particular vehicle for whatever reason.

    My mileage had ranged from 20.7 to 30.4 mpg, right there about a 50% variance with the same driver. EPA numbers are just an educated guess done in a lab on a dyno.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Better yet - the Forester is their most reliable model. In fact it ties the CR-V for the most reliable compact SUV on the road.

    And if you need a tie-breaker, Subaru has a longer warranty.

    -juice
  • pntdpntd Member Posts: 5
    My Dad has a 03 Forester X with AT. Whenever you go from reverse to driver, sometimes just to get go from stop light, it takes 1-2 seconds to get the car going. The transmission is also jerky from time to time. He brought it to dealer and the technician told him that it were a new transmission design for 03 Forester. As you go from reverse to drive, the transmission takes 1.5 second to lock up the torque converter and cause the delay. The technician also showed him a print out from Subaru acknowledging this and told me not to worry. Does any owners of 03 Forester with AT have the same problem? Also, the cruise control upshifts and downshifts pretty rough. Other than these problems, my Dad loves the Forester in the snow. Thanks
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    my 29.2 was mostly highway 60-70 mph. The two tanks I have filled I topped them off (shame) so that I wouldn't be biasing the numbers on the high side. Between first tank and second tank I took the tire pressure up to 35 front 34 rear, and also removed the roof rack crossbars. Other than that, it is all driving style... no fast accelerations, and I have never felt any need to downshift towards a stop.
  • lowellklowellk Member Posts: 30
    I really like the front seats in my wife's 2001 S. The front seats in the 2003 XS we bought last October are quite different, in my opinion. It took several weeks of driving the XS and fiddling with the seat adjustments before I was comfortable in it.

    The front seats in the '03 XS are more firm than those in the '01 S. And the XS seat backs don't seem, at least to me, to be as flat as the S seat backs. The upper portion of the seat back leads the lower portion by a bit.

    I didn't realize just how acclimated to the XS seats I'd become until we took the S on an 800 mile round-trip last month. It was the seats in the S seemed uncomfortable! Well, only for the first hundred miles or so.

    On a related note, the S driver seat has both fore and aft height adjustment knobs; the XS has only an aft height adjustment. The result of cost-cutting at work, I suppose. I've noticed that the '03 XS is missing some other features that were standard on the '01 S. I guess we had to give up something to get automatic climate control, weather band, and a body restyling, without a large price increase.
  • lowellklowellk Member Posts: 30
    My '01 XS AT has been getting from 22-28 MPG, though mostly around 24 MPG. I live southern California, in San Diego county, and drive about 300 miles per week. The miles are 80% highway, 20% city streets. The rate dips the more often I get stuck in stop-and-go traffic on the highway. The recent gas price increases are an incentive to work earlier shifts so that I can avoid the "rush hour" traffic.

    My wife and I drove her '01 S AT on an 800 miles round-trip to Arizona last month. Carrying a light cargo load (~300 lbs.) and driving at speeds of 65-75 MPH on the highway, the car averaged 25 MPG. I think the cross-winds in the high desert knocked the average down some.

    I realize these numbers are good for this class of vehicle, but the 1989 Honda Civic LX MT that the XS replaced got 32/36 MPG (city/highway). But it didn't have ABS, automatic climate control and a cool six-CD stereo. ;-)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well why would you be going from reverse to drive at a stoplight? 3 seconds is about right for the AT to synchronize the gears when putting it into Drive IMHO. As for the hard downshifts with the cruise on, that will happen on just about any AT if you are in a hilly area and use the cruise. The hard shifts are actually good for the AT, the harder it shifts that means that the less the torque converter is spinning freely and heating up the fluid. Soft shifting trannies like those found in domestic cars usually lead to shorter lives. Hope this helps.

    -mike
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Lowell- Your Civic also didn't have 165 hp, AWD, rear LSD, 4-wheel disc brakes, 4 airbags, power everything, AWP, anti-theft alarm system (too name just a few!)

    -Frank P.
  • pntdpntd Member Posts: 5
    I should be clearer about this. The delay happens in two conditions: go from reverse to drive and get going from stop light. The latter only happens once in a while. I concern about this because my Aunt's 99 Legacy doesn't have this problem. Three seconds seem a little long to me. I rarely see someone who goes from reverse to driver then wait for 3 seconds and drive off.

    About the cruise control, it's my observation because my 95 Galant shifts smoother in the same hilly area.

    Anyway, thanks for letting me know.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The stop light thing seems odd... I'll do some research and let you know. Did you check the fluid level? could be low.

    -mike
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