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I took a a two week trip to Texas recently and saw quite a few of the new Sonatas on the freeway in both directions. I was pretty much in love with the looks originally but the more I see of them the less I like it, especially from the 3/4 rear view. Don't know if the styling will hold up in the eyes of the beholder. Kind of like Pontiac in the 90s with all the body cladding, got sick of that look pretty fast too.
I think it looks great from that view personally.
I think the top dollar I ever spent on a vehicle purchase was around $28K. If anything, my budget has gone down over the years as I've become more financially astute and think, do I really need this much car?
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I love the how CC looks and I realize the Sonata looks somewhat similar but a little overdone IMO. However, others may hate the CC looks and that's ok too. To each his own. There are some cars that just about everyone thinks are ugly or beautiful and they usually fall into the el cheapo and super expensive categories respectively. I don't think that applies to either the Sonata or CC though. They are both good looking in my opinion but I'm just not in love with the Sonata like I was originally.
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Aside from the price, the CC suffers from the lack of utility (being a 4-seater until the recent 5 seat option) and VW's reputation for being problematic.
As for the Genesis sedan, while it hasn't taken the mid-size luxury class by storm, it, nonetheless, has farily well for Hyundai, esp. considering that it was launched during the onset of the recession.
Aside from the E Class and 5 Series, the Genesis was the best selling import E segment sedan in 2009 - doubling the sales of the Lexus GS and Infiniti M.
Even the new M isn't outselling the Genesis in 2010.
As for the Equus, Hyundai knows that it won't be a big seller (which is why Hyundai is only planning to bring over about 2K units annually; the 1st year's installment is already spoken for) - but they see it as a "halo" vehicle which will help pave the way for an eventual luxury brand from Hyundai.
Camry : around 169 hp
Altima : 175 hp
Mazda : around 175 hp?
Fusion : around 170 hp?
Accord: 177 hp
I knew it has less torque than others but why the acceleartion is not
impressive to compare it to other midsize sedan?
I'm really wondering where the power went away..... Even some review
said accord has better "hp/weight" than others.
Camry: 167 lb-ft @ 4100 RPM or 171 @ 4100
Altima: 180 @ 3900
Mazda: 167 @ 4000
Fusion: 172 @ 4500
Accord: LX: 161 @ 4300 or EX: 162 @ 4400
And since it's a popular car to discuss recently ..
Sonata: SE: 186 @ 4250 or other trims: 184 @ 4250
All of the vehicles have more torque than the Accord and with the exception of the Fusion they hit it sooner. Also, Honda engines are known for feeling a little lackluster until you get the RPMs up so, while I've no data handy to back it up, I'll suggest the that torque curves of the other engines are flatter or at least reveal higher torque at lower RPMs.
Transmission gearing also plays a significant role.
The more torque you have, the faster you can go, especially from acceleration. That is why a V8 is faster then a V6, and why an V6 is faster than a I4 off the line! The more powerful the engine, the more torque they have. A V8 has more torque then a V6 and a V6 more than a I4!
You can have a diesel stump puller that makes gobs of torque at low RPM but it can't rev very high so you get lots of torque but not a lot of HP. (e.g. 350 HP, 750 lb/ft in a diesel truck engine). It's fast off the line but bogs down after that.
Or you can have a high revving engine that makes lots of peak HP but relatively low torque (e.g. the S2000 with only 162 lb/ft of peak torque but gets 237 HP at 7800 RPM). It's slow off the line but starts screaming once you get it up to 8000 RPM.
What you really need to see is the torque curve - how soon does it peak and how long does it stay there? The Ford 3.5L Ecoboost reaches 350 lb/ft at 1500 rpm and stays there until well past 5000 RPM (IIRC). This gives optimum performance at both lower and higher speeds.
My cars have been like that as well; sedate at lower RPMs but then a surge about 2500-3000 that continues on up towards the redline. I prefer that kind of power delivery as it means normal, day-to-day driving doesn't include harder to temper/harsher acceleration that may be too fast for what traffic will allow. Yet the grunt that pushes you into your seatback is just a fraction of a second away when wanted/needed.
My LS2 6.0L V8 makes a nice health300 lb/ft starting at only 1000rpm and stays there till at least 6000rpm. It maxes out at 400 lb/ft @ 4500rpm but still manages to keep it at 300 lb/ft till 6000rpm. It revs to 6500rpm. Even with a only a 4spd automatic it still pulls 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 13.0. I can still get up to 23mpg highway.
Auto Pacific's Customer Satisfaction Award for 2010 along with the Lincoln MKT. Ford is for real and Suzuki just flat out hit the nail on the head with the Kizashi.
I may still purchase one of these exciting midsize sedans from Japanese automaker Suzuki.
This is indeed good news for Suzuki, as the brand has been facing dealership service issues in recent years. In the latest J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index (CSI), an annual measure of dealer service performance over three years of ownership, the automaker ranked at the bottom, among all brands. But Suzuki has made gains in Power's Sales Satisfaction Index (SSI) and now ranks mid-pack—an indicator that the automaker has made some substantial changes at the dealership level.
The 2010 Lincoln MKT was the highest-rated vehicle among trucks and SUVs in AutoPacific's annual satisfaction measure.
Vehicles are rated in 48 different categories that pertain to various areas of the ownership experience, and overall results are based on the research firm's polling of more than 42,000 new-vehicle owners during the first few months of ownership.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1045370_2010-suzuki-kizashi-lincoln-m- - - kt-top-satisfaction-ratings
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Gesundheit!
Hey, you mistakenly attached 2 pictures of the Kizachi (Gesundheit!) and forgot to post a picture of the MKT. Or did you?
No thank you sir! :sick:
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2010021
That's kind of my feeling as well. Plus I don't think it is that good looking either. Rather bland.
When it comes to big ticket items like cars, I don't do "obscure"!
I'm running into this now with Nissan with my Maxima. I absolutely love the car inside and outside but their customer service at the dealership and corporate level is absolutely atrocious and I completely understand why they are ranked so low for that now! I guess I've been spoiled over the years with Infiniti, Acura, and MB customer service because those companies were a worlds better than Nissan in customer service and doing what they could to help you. Thanks God I love the car and how people just stare at it. If it wasn't for that, this entire experience would be horrendous!
Who cares about a stinkin SUV, even if it is from Ford? Eh?
Now this 2012 Mitsubishi PX-MiEV SUV is a real SUV, that it is.
Mitsubishi PX-MiEV
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Nice to have much more competition now then before. Its always great for us consumers because it means that all the companies, including the Japanese ones, who had a dominance in quality and sales the last 20 years, now have competition up to matching or at least close to matching their level and that will have to make them ever more diligent to improve upon their cars as well!
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The new G25 which should come in with 210-220 hp and be equipped very similar to the Regal CXL will probably only be a couple of grand more so that too will be a tough competitor. Then you have the Sonata turbo which will blow the doors off the Regal turbo when it comes out. IMO opinion the Regal has a decent combo of near luxury and economy mpg/reg gas that many of the others that it is trying to comete with don't have. I guess when it comes right down to it Buick hasn't really priced itself out of this discussion but it's stated intent to compete at the near luxury/luxury level has moved it out of the main topic of this discussion.
It will be interesting to see if GM can pull it off with Buick. They have been getting some very good JD Power scores in recent years.
No way GM wins that one. Not even close.
The Regal will probably be bigger than the G25 and IMO more luxurious, esp. in CXL trim (the ONLY trim available at launch). The natural competitor for the G25 is cars like the IS and 325--not mid-sized family cars like the Regal.
An MKT isnt an SUV, its a station wagon. Get it right if you're going to bash something. :shades:
I dont know what that "thing" is you posted a picture of, but it sure is fugly.
I like my Fusion Sport, I like my dealer, and would choose it over an obscure one like Suzuki any day. There isn't one within 40 miles of me, and from what I can see of the pictures, the car is rudimentary, no flash that would want me to prefer it over my Ford. Motorweek had a show last week 8 family sedans under 25K, winner was Hyundai Sonata, runner up the anemic Camry.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/infiniti/g25/101276758/optionsresults.html?actio- n=2
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Cars Direct.com has the G37 for:
CarsDirect Price: $30,292. This includes the $865 delivery charge, so if we remove that to get an official "advertised" price(since delivery varies as well across the U.S.), that's $29,427.
This is the base model, but it's about as nicely equipped as a #4 or #5 package Regal. . IMO, having sat in both and driven both, the Regal closest to the G37 is the CL5 option. Sorry, rear side airbags and premium audio(ie - same as basic in the Infiniti.) are a bigger factor than a sunroof. I also hate sunroofs anyways - don't know why GM is not making it a separate option. Safety wins here and GM's lack of adding in the full airbag package on the CL1 -CL4 packages isn't going to go unnoticed with savvy buyers.
Same site, CL5 option Regal is $29,600. Sans delivery to compare equally, we get the following:
Base G37 minus delivery charge: $29427
Regal CL5 minus delivery charge: $28950.
The G37 actually is a whopping $477 more than the Regal if I want out today and compared both. The Base G25 will for sure end up 2-3K less that the base G37 so as not to hurt G37 sales. That puts it right in the middle of Buick's pricing range.
Now, true, that price does include a $1000 cash incentive, but with the Regal being new(no incentives - MSRP only) and the 2011 G37s coming out in a couple of months, you really will see pricing like this for the next 5-6 months.
It's clearly made as a smart marketing move to hit GM right between the eyes. Offer 1-2K in incentives during the summer and then 3-5K on new old stock models in the fall.
Toyota might have said that they don't want GM to fail, but the other Japanese companies don't seem to care at all and are going for blood.
Second, the Regal isn't even available to buy yet, and is a 2011 model, and you are comparing it price-wise to the 2010 G37, which has been around in the same form for some time and thus has large discounts available. Obviously there won't be discounts available on a car that isn't even shipping to buyers yet. After the Regal hits the market, we'll have a better idea of the actual sale prices.
The Regal at Cars Direct that I can order NOW does not offer Nav other than with the CL6 option. The side rear airbags aren't an option except on the CL5 and CL6. If you look carefully, you see that it's a typical GM "package" trick and that no dealers are carrying the lower-end models. The local dealer near me has ONE base model and a couple of others, but 90% of the selection is CL5 and CL6s.
On that point,
I can buy a Regal now - they hit the dealers lots here in California this last week. Actual test-drive and comparison. And the GM just feels lacking. The ***146HP difference*** is immense and perhaps the biggest thing that sticks in your mind, though. Since they look visually similar and are about the same size(they will be cross-shopped!), it really feels as if you are comparing, say, a base E Class sedan the the AMG version. The power is jaw-dropping if you drive the G37 right after the Regal.
Then you see the *this* close actual price. No red-blooded person who wants a luxury car won't spend the extra bit of money for that much more power. The model year on the sticker is moot as well - since what I can buy today is a Regal or a G37 (or a TSX - another nail-biter for GM's management)
Sure, the Regal will have a ~30K GS out in a year, but that won't be more powerful than the G37 even then, and the G25 will be out in a couple of months by the look of it. That's the real nail in the coffin. It's also likely to eviscerate the Accord V6, IS250, and other similar 25-30K midsize sedan sales. Infiniti is pulling out its big guns now and there's going to be a lot of collateral damage in this segment. (note I'd have said Accura, but after their refresh recently, they also are coming with a full set of newly sharpened teeth)
And the power, seats, and overall handling isn't even close. The G37 feels like a proper luxury sedan and the GM feels like a C class or Volvo - ie - nice, but not really there.
So why are you comparing a V6 sports sedan to a mid-sized family car? As I said before, the Regal and G37 aren't natural competitors. I don't think many people (with a few exceptions, such as you) will cross-shop the Regal and G37. The Regal competes against the cars listed to the right. Against those, its power and features are very competitive.
If you want a car with power and handling like the G37 has, go buy one--don't even THINK of a car like a Regal. Although consider, if the G37 is so great, why the huge discounts and incentives on it? :confuse:
Edit: Also, a "proper luxury sedan" would offer heated seats with leather standard. An economy car, like my 2004 Elantra, might offer non-heated leather seats--which it has! But it only cost $13k new too. But it does have heated mirrors, which don't seem to be on the base G37 even at $20k more. :sick:
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Black is popular, the best color imo, plus silver too.
silver doesn't work as well, especially the back view.
considering it is not a design that immediately stands out, like a Prius, i am surprised to see so many. most vehicles seem to have to hit a 'critical mass' to start noticing them.
I am pretty sure all manufacturers have a flat rate across the US for delivery charge, it does not vary by location. The delivery charge should be included in price comparisons, not that it makes much of a difference.
From everything I came across on the new G25 it will be priced at about $29500 and will be pretty much(if not exactly) a base G37 with a smaller engine and probably the same option packages. Infinitis are great cars but have always suffered MPG wise. If they can capture both the luxury buyers that want a fairly sporty car without having to have 300+ hp and the associated low MPG I think they can have a winner with G25.
What is Auto Pacific?
Can't wait to see the G25 when it comes out!