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Make sure they clean the spilled oil completely, too.
Sabrina: may I suggest you open a file with NHTSA also? The more data they have, the quicker they can come to a conclusion.
-juice
if you clean up the puddle does it come back?
is the oil level still at full?
can you see where the drips are coming from?
-juice
Also, if the rotors have rust on them it will take some braking for the rust to be polished off.
Could happen in 2005...
I couldn't figure out why Honda would discontinue the CR-V (it's curtains!).
Steve, Host
Steve, Host
Will stability control be included on the CR-V? They mention it for "SUVs" and the Ody, but do not specifically mention the CR-V or Element. Toyota is putting it on their entry vehicles, and Honda tends to follow them. In fact, a form of VSA has been an option on Japanese CR-Vs since the first generation.
It's a great idea that is long overdue. I believe Honda finally put ABS on the Accord LX, their volume model, last year.
Meanwhile Passat has had traction control and side curtain air bags standard for years, and stability control and AWD as options (even on the 1.8T for 2004).
So I'd say VW was the pioneer, but Honda will make it mainstream. Toyota has no choice but to follow suit, though they tend to make them a-la-carte options.
-juice
...add numerous safety features as standard equipment...to most of its cars and trucks sold in the U.S. by 2006.
It says "most". It does not say "all".
...light trucks, such as the Odyssey minivan and Pilot and Acura MDX sport utility vehicles, would be outfitted with stability control systems...
Since they specifically mentioned the vehicles based on the Odyssey platform, I doubt that the CR-V will get the stability control systems.
JM2C...I could be wrong.
Tami
But if one would be right for you depends on your expectations and needs. If you don’t expect to be towing heavy trailers or boats, power wise it should be fine.
I personally think that the interior looks great and is certainly nicer that any other small SUV’s in its class. I was wondering what you were driving before that makes you think the CR-V seats look cheap and poorly made? While they may be no match for anything a luxury vehicle would come with most people don’t find them too bad.
I found the ride to be smooth and comfortable on most roads although as you may have read the Bridgestone tires that come with the CR-V certainly leave much to be desired.
They are noisy and most people replace them with something better sooner or later.
Overall I think you would be happy with one. Good luck.
Not to put down the car or anything, but I don't consider it to be in the same vehicle class. Never hurts to shop around though.
Also, I personally would wait until it was crash tested; I would be concerned about a vehicle that small.
The seats in the Scion are hands down the most comfortable among ANY car or SUV I've checked out, regardless of price. And the leg/head room in the CR-V is definitely smaller than in the Scion.
I'm not sure what options on the Scion you're referring to unless your're talking about cosmetic accessories like cupholder lighting. As I mentioned earlier the fully equipped base Scion xB (for less than $15K) has ABS, stability control, traction control, keyless entry, rear tinted glass, AC, 6 speaker CD stereo, power everything, what else do you need?
As far as crash test results, the xB scores as high as the CR-V in Japanese Government test results, IMO. See below:
http://www.nasva.go.jp/assess/html2002e/as105.html
The Scion xB is listed as the Toyota bB in the above table.
One more thing: the Scion is clearly not for people who want a lot of horsepower, it's got 108 hp which I find perfectly adequate for its 2500 lb weight.
Tami
Gas mileage will not be as high as the CR-V. So if gas prices in Northern California are as bad as I remember that might be an issue for you.
If you don't need the space that the CR-V has to offer, check out the 2004 RAV4 it has an upgraded engine, and nice fit and finish.
Good luck with your purchase.
this is a common reaction, but remember that people come to these boards for help with problems, so you're going to see more problems here. If you go to any car board, you're going to see a lot more failures than are actually out there.
I have a 2002 EX auto with 35,500 miles and the only complaint I have is that I don't like the OEM tires that they are shipped with, which is pretty common in the honda/acura family. I replaced them at 30k without incident, though, so they're not a big problem.
good luck with your decision
I didn't consider the xB due to cargo hauling (it is our family car and we carry lots - I can fit 4 peope and lots of luggage), and lack of US safety testing.
I should also note here that I had several Toyota Camrys during the 1990; each one suffered a huge MPG loss within one year, and the last blew the head gaskets at 48K. So Toyota had a strike against it to begin with. That, combined with the engine sludge controversy, made me wary.
So, to each his (or her) own. Good luck with your xB.
Based on what you've posted, I'd avoid vehicles like the Liberty, Xterra, and Sorento. While each has it's own charms, they are built to be used as trucks. IMHO, you'd be better off with a fuel efficient/economical car-based vehicle.
The CR-V is a bit of a mix. It isn't as trucky as something like the Liberty, but it does have terrific cargo and passenger capacity. It sort of finishes second place in everything rather than specializing in any one area. Still, it sounds like you will be better served with a vehicle that is almost purely car-biased.
Also try a Forester (turbo if you really want power) and RAV4 with the new 2.4l engine.
Then, if you buy the CR-V, you'll have no regrets.
-juice
I was basically down to the CRV and Forester, with the RAV4 3rd, but down on the list due to the super expensive options.
My wife, who drives the car primarily, fell in love with the CRV immediately. If the turbo forester was available then, things might have gone a little differently:)
-juice
I agree with an earlier post that more car alternatives in spaciousness and economy, such as the Scion, are very good for the consumer and for competitiveness in the auto industry.
If a dealer orders one of these, it means he has to give something else up like a fast selling EX 4WD.
And...no, you can't specify where it's built. I haven't been able to tell a bit of difference between them anyway.
The magazine "WHICH" (I'm not yelling, that's how they spell their name) rated the CR-V, Accord, and Civic at near 100% performance in a dependability study (simply asking, "does the car start?"). All three came from the Swindon at the time.
Other studies (similar to JD Powers and CR) gave the Civic and Accord 1st and 2nd place in reliability a year or two before they started making CR-Vs.
The Swindon plant was, for a long time, mainly an engine plant. Those engines were used to power several of Honda's most reliable products here in the US. Even though final assembly was performed elsewhere.
In short, I have no reason to suspect the quality from the Swindon plant. The only reason people cite for not wanting an English CR-V is typically an old prejudice against English automobiles like Rovers, Jags, and the classic English sports cars. Given that the CR-V is made with Honda technology, parts, and quality controls, I don't buy into such prejudices.
-juice
-juice
Steve, Host
I shouldn't talk, the Cooper engine plant is in Brazil and look at the quality scores of those.
-juice
Steve, Host
-juice
Andreaplume - Scion is a new brand name, but the company is Toyota. It's the same deal as with Lexus (which is a Toyota brand) or Acura (which is really Honda). Scion currently has two vehicles, the xA and xB.
Inkie - Love the look of the Spitfires. I'd put up with all the problems just to have one of those.
Thanks for confirming that ABS isn't available on the 2WD. If you go to http://www.hondacars.com and get into the 2004 CR-V specs, you can find the discrepancy. Under the heading "body-suspension-chassis features" it shows ABS only for the 4WD EX. But if you look under "safety features" it shows ABS as standared on all 3 models -- 2WD LX, 4WD LX, and 4WD EX.