2001 - 2006 Honda CR-Vs

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  • nofeernofeer Member Posts: 381
    any links to the new 02 crv?
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    there is no solid '02 information. There is some soild speculation, but as of yet, no spy photos have appeared to confirm any changes in size or styling. So any links you may find for the '02 'V are rumor and speculation only. Honda is traditionally very secretive about new models and even updates.

    Judy, that does sound like an issue with the steering wheel lock. Might have the dealer take a look at it to see if it is releasing correctly.

    Varmit, dangnabbit, I won't be able to make it to the June meet. I have a graduation party for a family member the same day. Can't get out of it.
    This is annoying because the meet is just about in my back yard. Glen Burnie is 20mins from my house. Arrgh. Oh well, have fun without me and don't let the success go to Allan's head. Enjoy your time in B-More.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So he's predicting a rear hatch. Wonder if they'll have a rear window that open seperately, that would be cool to have both, like the new Explorer.

    Well, minues the rattles C&D complained about.

    -juice
  • deluca1deluca1 Member Posts: 1
    I want to upgrade the speakers in my 2001 SE. I know I need 6.5 inch round speakers but can anyone tell me what is the difference is between 3 way and 2 way speakers. I just want to take the old speakers out and put the new speakers in. I do not want to use the Honda upgrades. I was looking at Infinity Kappa 63.1i 3 way speakers. Will I have to run any additional wires.
  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    Yes, honda is very tight lipped about its upcoming models... Up to a point.

    When the new Civic came out last year Honda went to do some hot weather testing in the Southwest and who happened to be there but Brenda Priddy, spy shooter extraordinaire. And, who did Honda just happen to come to a stop right in front of? Brenda Priddy.

    My point is this, companies will use spy photographers to promote their products by whetting the public appetites. If Honda wanted to test the CR-V for a billion miles, it would simply take it to the Transportation Research Center in Ohio, a 7 mile banked loop that companies rent to test new vehicles. Honda owns TRC and can use it any time it wishes. I kow for a fact the new Civic was tested there for months on end with people in the plant seeing them driven around the East Liberty and Marysville plant grounds.

    So, my guess is that we will be a spy shot of the new CR-V in June or July just in time to begin the frenzy before the September introduction.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Deluca: two-way speakers have a woofer and a tweeter. Three-ways add a mid-range, for a broader range of sound.


    There are also dual-cones, which are really just a woofer with a paper cone attached. The sound from them is not so good.


    Funny thing is I prefer two-ways because I like highs and lows more than mids.


    I just swapped my dual-cones for two-ways. Here is a side-by-side photo. Note the two-way one has a real tweeter in the middle.


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    -juice

  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Beat - Not sure if you'll be around, but I'm driving down Friday and I'm sure that other CR-Vers will be there that evening. I'm afraid that we're visiting the wife's friends Sunday (in D.C.), otherwise I'd try to get together with you and Juice on that day. Bummer.

    Bob - You are correct. There is a certain amount of legitimate spy photography (unlike my own) that gets out before a vehicle's public introduction. However, Honda tends to be most successful at preventing it until they decide it's the right time. Often this is accomplished simply by doing track testing at night. My personal favorite was done by Porsche. They disguised their latest concept with a Ferrari-looking plastic skin. LOL.

    There should be "legitimate" spy photos this Summer. Which is good, because I'm getting tired of debunking all of the airbrush masterpieces that have been floating around the internet.
  • bulldog3740bulldog3740 Member Posts: 3
    Where and when in Maryland is there going to be a Honda CRV rally?
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  • bulldog3740bulldog3740 Member Posts: 3
    I have a black '99 crv. I wash it all the time but have never waxed it. It looks dull and you can see water stains in the paint. What do you suggest to bring the luster back out in the paint? Do I have to strip it down and then apply wax? What do I do and what products should I use, help!
  • bulldog3740bulldog3740 Member Posts: 3
    In my '99 CR-V I have PIAA Super Plasma Blue (I think that is what they are called). If I want to change those little bulbs on the side makers above the turn signal what size are they and does PIAA make a blue plasma bulb that small? I just found this website tonight and it is great to answer all my questions, thanks!
  • dvader1dvader1 Member Posts: 3
    I want to start off by saying that this discussion group has been very helpful. I told a friend to purchase the key less entry off of one of the recommended sites. It worked like a charm! Everyone seems very informed. I was wondering what kind of prices people are paying right now for CR's? I am looking for a 4WD LX Automatic. The best offer I have gotten is $250 over invoice. I know that I read that some people were getting them at invoice a couple of months ago. Is this still the case? If anyone can let me know what they have paid recently I would appreciate it. Thanks everybody!
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Spy pics?


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    Maybe Bob was right and pics are available sooner than I thought... These were provided by a member at the CR-V IX. He reports that these came from a Japanese magazine. He's trying to find someone to translate for us.

  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    I too have a Black 99. Gawd its a pain to keep clean. If you have warter stains I suspect you have hard warter. Do you chamois the car dry after you wash? You need to do this to eliminate the water drops that dry into stains. Also, wax at least twice a year with a good quality wax (Meguires or you favorite). Try to wash and chamois dry and see if the water spots dissapear. If not, the paint may be etched and you will need to try more agressive techniques
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    I have no idea about the marker bulbs.

    Varmit, a pre meet meet?
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    B-dog - Try using a paint cleaner (meguiar's also sells one of these). That should help remove water spotting. Then use a polish before applying a wax. The polish gives the car its shine and the wax protects it. You shouldn't have to use the cleaner or the polish very often, but I do recommend that you wax frequently. Most waxes only last a month or two. Even the good ones like megiuar's.

    Dunno about the bulbs either. You could try asking in the forum at the CR-V IX. There's an owner there with so many lights on his rig, we've nicknamed it "the mothership". =)

    Beatfarmer - Yeah, if you're interested. That was what happened when I went to the Bradford, PA meet. Those of us who were staying overnight got together on the night prior to the offical meet. I'm sure it'll happen again. Most attendees are staying at the Hampton and Days Inn that are suggested on the website.

    dvader - With the '02 model coming out in a few months, there should be good deals to be had. You might have to wait until closer to September before they start giving big discounts, though.
  • shanelawsonshanelawson Member Posts: 1
    We have always bought Acura's and Honda's. In October of 1999 I purchased a Honda CRV EX. The total cost of the vehicle was $23,000 fully loaded. Now a little over a year and half, the vehicle is only worth $13,800. This means that the vehicle has lost $10,000 in value in just over a year. Be sure to check-out the CRV price before making a mistake like I did. I like Honda's but I believe their SUV market has a problem unlike their cars. Remember the passport is only an over priced Isuzu Rodeo that also does not hold its value. I still think Honda is one of the best made vehicles for the cost and for holding their value, but I would try an Acura MDX which will hold 90 percent of its vaule the first 3 years instead of 52% like the CRV.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Shane - Where on earth did you get those numbers? Either someone is feeding you bad numbers, or you've got a CR-V that's in rough shape.


    First of all, you got raped if you purchased a '99 for $23K. While I didn't opt for the automatic, my '99 only cost $19.5K with the roof rack. I purchased in April, when the '99 (with the 146 hp engine) was still in demand. In October, you should have been able to get a better deal given that the 2000 models were about the hit the sales floors.


    According to Edmunds, with 42,000 miles on mine, it is still worth $14,037 as a trade in,

    $15,095 as a private sale, and $16,868 for dealer retail. An automatic would be worth approx $500 more. Anyway, in a worst case senario, we're still talking about $5,000 and not $10,000.


    Sounds to me like you paid through the nose to have your dealer install aftermarket options. Any car would depreciate like a rock after a purchase like that. Aftermarket stuff is worth nothing when it comes time to sell a car and in some cases will actually detract from the car's value.


    Factor in the CR-V's low operating costs and you can't beat its value.

  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    First of all, please refrain from using terms liked "raped." The negative connotations it implies has no place on this board. No mad, just stating my opinion.

    As far as the photos your posted.... They are, in a word, interesting. It seems a bit conservative, almost like the "redesign" of the Civic in 1996 or so. You could tell it was still a close relative of the previous generation. But, some sketches and distant grainy photos would need more. But, on a whole, I think having fog lamps integrated into the bumper is a good idea and on par with most other SUV's
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Thanks Bob. Point taken.


    Regarding the '02 renderings...

    Remember that we're looking at a supposed drawing of a Japanese spec '02 CR-V. There are many differences between markets; such as brakes, spare tire location, fog lamps, bumpers, rims, trim levels, etc... (Bob - notice the fog lamps and bumper on the white CR-V in the top corner of the ad.)

    To my eye, the biggest changes are the headlamps, the tail lights, the rear bumper, and integrated spare.

    However, I think the more subtle changes have a bigger effect than you would think. Notice that the trailing edge of the roof has been rounded off. Also note that there is a section of painted sheetmetal in between the rear window and the taillights. These two changes have the effect of making the rear section look shorter. The integrated spare also adds to this.

    At the other end of this rendering, it also looks like the front bumper has been shortened. In the current CR-V, the front bumper sticks out quite a bit. If that's true, then the front will have a more compact look to it. Once again the new lights will add to that affect. This may be the source of those new headlamps:

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  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    There's another new sponsor for the CR-V meet in Maryland this weekend. While some of these items are simply trinkets, others have a retail value of $150-200.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    pic post

    Note the hinge-looking gadgets at the top of the rear glass. (Also note the lack of a rear wiper.)

    Looks like they are keeping the split gate design, though the gate handle looks just like the door handles. That should be better. The first time some people use the rear gate, they have difficulty finding the handle. Maybe the left-hand drive models will have the gate reversed this time.

    One other interesting tidbit: I used a decent paint shop program to enlarge and sharpen the actual photos that are on the edges. The white one that appear to be backing out of a garage does not look like it has a spare mounted on the back. Can't be sure.
  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    Well, they are intersting to say the least.

    If I had to guess, I'd say that the 120% figure means that the CR-V will either:

    (a) Have 20% more horsepower or power in general
    (b) Grow in size 20% or
    (c) Cost 20% more.

    Also, note the rear amber lights in the blurry photo. They aren't where the sketch says they ought to be. In the photo they appear to be sandwhiched bwtween two lights.

    In addition, the vehicle may also be going towards a cab-forward design, ala the current Civic. So, interior space may grow without the wheelbase growing too much.

    With regard to the lack of a spare on the back of the blurry photo...It could be a test mule lacking one.

    Finally, what is the "enclosed space" that has been mentioned?
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    I think it looks like a cross breed between the CRV, Escape, and Sportage. Not a bad thing. Now, just give it the low rpm torque, a frame, and a low range... wishful thinking...

    :-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That meet sounds like fun. Almost made me want to go just for the freebies, and I haven't owned a Honda since my 1984 Elite 125 scooter! ;o)

    I can't load the photos any more. Can you re-post or provide a link?

    I think the 20% change would be to the engine, most likely. 2.0l -> 2.4l.

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Whazzamatta Juice, don't you want to spruce up your Soob with some shiney new gold Honda emblems? =)

    For whatever reason, pics posted on this board often do not display for some web browsers. Try this link to Temple of VTEC. You may be able to view the pics there.

    While I personally find these renderings to be the most "realistic", I should repeat that these are still not a reliable source. These were provided by a member at the CR-V IX who gets copies of Japanese subscriptions. He's working on a translation of certain parts. This is the same person who scanned and shared the pics of the blue airbrush masterpiece that we had here a month or two ago (also from a Japanese magazine). He correctly states that just because they are in print, does not make them reliable.

    How did they get close enough to photograph the engine, but they can't get a better shot of the outside?

    What are the blow ups of the bumpers for? Are they advertising damage resistance? Note that the pic of the rear bumper part suggests that the entire rear section, including the license plate, is covered with body cladding.

    I was hoping that the 120% was part of a claim about better fuel economy.

    The notes about the engine include mention of i-VTEC, but someone commented that it reads "2.0L". Dunno if they could read the Japanese or if they simply misread it
  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    How the heck do I get once of those fancy-dancy flags?

    No offense to your friend and all, but I think the vehicle photographed was a camo'ed mule testing out the new engine and suspension parts. That or it is a ruse...

    And, I read 2.0 as well. Hmm.....Isn't Honda getting 200 HP out of a 2.0 VTEC-I for the new RSX????
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ah, now I see. Looks pretty good overall.

    Looks taller and shorter, or at least the overhangs are shorter. Still looks like 15" rims from the sketch, but it's hard to tell for sure. It's begging for more tire. The headlights will fit right in with the Civic family.

    The very top of it looks like the Freelander. I wonder if Honda of Europe had some influence there, given the Freelander's success (high price, small size, big time sales in Europe).

    I'm sure that's the JDM version, else the hatch still won't be opening curb side.

    It could be 2.0l for the JDM and still offer a 2.4l in the US. Subaru does this with the Forester (2.0l overseas, 2.5l for USA).

    On another subject - I heard both Acura and high-end Subaru models will offer OnStar, so don't be surprised to see that trickle down to this price class soon.

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    I suspect that the flag is based on the optional address information that you can enter as part of your registration.

    No offense about the pics. As stated above, no one is trying to pass these off as "real". I just find discussing them to be entertaining.

    It very well could be a test mule as you wrote. A few months before Acura released the production version of the MDX, they showed a concept car that had little to do with the production version. The MDX concept was a five seater and about the same size as a JGC. Instead of that, we got a production version that's a seven seater and almost the size of a Tahoe. These renderings could be a smoke screen just like the MDX concept.

    The i-VTEC 2.0 has been tuned to produce power ranging from 156-200hp and 138-142 ftlbs. There is also an RSX Type R that is rumored to make 220hp with the same block.

    I doubt that the CR-V will get the high revving version. Earlier myself and others were guessing that the CR-V would get a (possibly larger) variant that would put more umph in the low rpm band. A few weeks back there were rumors that the CR-V would use a 2.4L version of this block. No power figures were provided, but it seemed to support my suspicion.

    Aint rumors grand? =)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    FWIW, take spy photos with a grain of salt. The Impreza photos we were sharing had taller headlights, but still very square, like the old ones, only bigger.

    Look at what we got. 100% different. Fire that spy photographer (or artist)!

    I agree that more displacement would be better suited for the CR-V, which is meant for utility, not 0-60 runs with an empty passenger compartment.

    -juice
  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    I like the Freelander a lot you could do worse for liberating design elements.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    In terms of styling, it is nice.

    It may have a hard time in the crowded US market, where gas is cheap and size is far more important. Will people spend $30 grand on such a compact SUV?

    Then again they are such a small niche player, I'm sure they'll find enough buyers.

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    I agree that more displacement would be a good thing, but Honda has to balance power with fuel economy. The RAV4 has always had a slight advantage in fuel consumption thanks to it's smaller size and weight. While, those of us here in the states don't mind paying at the pump, the folks in europe and the home market would cross the CR-V off their list if it drank like the Tribape.

    Juice makes a good point about the possibility of a 2.0 for the JDM and a 2.4 for North America. I would hope that the new space saving Mac strut desgin would leave more room under the hood for engine options.

    I'm with Bob. The Freelander is a good looking truck. I think that the Liberty will be good competition for the Freelander, though the Jeep's price range will give it a big advantage with the average buyer. Still, there will be buyers that will pony up for the prestigious LR decals on the Freelander.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool. Sounds more like a competitor to the VDC and Honda version of the MDX than the CR-V or Forester. Traction control, V6, 5 speed auto with manual control, hill descent control for off-road.

    Lows are price/size ratio (starting under $30k means it'll be $35k well equipped) and power from the small V6 (FoMoCo's own Escape has 25hp more).

    It looks better with the roof rack. IMO, all SUVs do.

    -juice
  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    Not to get too off-topic, but the Freelander will arrive from 26-31K. Check out the Freelander Board here at Edmunds.com for more info.

    It is definetly a small Ute, not a mid-size. Comparing the measurements, it is just a tad bit bigger than the current CR-V.
  • corynatcorynat Member Posts: 52
    Anyone know what the storage space of the Freelander will be?
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Corynat - If you mean the space in the cargo area, then "very little". One of the most unfortunate attributes for the Freelander is its 19/46 cu. ft. cargo capacity. By comparison the CR-V has 29/67, the Forester has 33/62, and the Escape has 33/65.

    Here's the Edmunds review:

    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/firstdrive/45788/article.html

    Despite similarities in size, I don't think that the Freelander will be cross-shopped with the CR-V all that much. One of the big reasons why people walk onto the lot at a Honda dealership is their reputation for reliability. OTOH, that is one of the biggest reasons why people avoid Land Rovers.
  • corynatcorynat Member Posts: 52
    Thanks Varmit. I was looking for that article and couldn't find it for the life of me. I remember thinking the cargo space seemed really small.

    Wonder where it is going? Seems like the wheelbase is large enough to have more room.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    I have two suspicions.
    1. The larger engine with short overhangs will force the passenger compartment farther back in the vehicle.
    2. I suspect that all that fancy-schmancy 4WD equipment takes up quite a bit of space around the rear axle. I haven't seen one up close, but I'd guess that the cargo floor is rather high.

    With regard to the styling (that's how we got on this tangent), it's possible that Honda was looking to the Freelander for ideas. Honda was heavily involved with Rover back when the Freelander was being developed.

    Someone once suggested that a Honda-badged Rover was going to replace the Honda-badged Izusu Rodeo. They reasoned that the CR-V was a hasty replacement when Honda lost their interest in the Rover Group. I have my doubts about this theory, but who knows...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like the Freelander prioritizes passenger space? I'll have to sit in one once they come out.

    I guess it'll have to compete with bigger utes, similarly priced. That means Grand Cherokee, Blazer, and Explorer.

    Land Rover better hope people see it as a bargain priced RX300 or X5 instead of an expensive Escape.

    Rover did use a Legend platform for the Sterling, remember those? Definitely was a connection there for a while. Honda was smart to bail, if you ask me.

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    I'm thinking that the Freelander will compete with the Liberty and Xterra. It's more expensive and smaller, but it has the same rugged machismo. Now that the "SUV" label is beginning to break down, more and more people are seeing and understanding the difference between a road going SUV and the off-road going SUV.

    I may be wrong, but I think that Honda was pretty miffed about losing their position with Rover. I have no idea why. Maybe they saw Rover as a way of buying into the Euro market?
  • bobcatbobbobcatbob Member Posts: 187
    The Freelander is AWD not 4wd, so it is closer to the CR-V in that regard. If you go take a peek at the Freelander Board here, you'll get a ton of useful information.

    And, as atexeira noted, it all comes down to sitting in the vehicle as a determination of purchase or not. I don't care how much I love the Discovery or the Escape, the fact that both hit me wrong in certain areas when I sit means I won't be purchasing either. Looks are one thing, comfort another all together.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I guess so. One buddy of mine saw a Liberty for $27 grand that didn't even have ABS. That plus XTerras are already $25 grand, and the supercharger will only make it pricier. So they'll overlap a little with the Freelander, if it indeed starts at less than $30k.

    I strongly recommend going to car shows. You can sample the interiors of dozens of vehicles and pick out what you find comfortable, plus what cargo areas can meet your needs. Plus, no sales pressure.

    Then, among the ones that "fit", test drive those, and pick the one that brings you the biggest smile.

    -juice
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    By "fit", I assume you meant not only one's backside and cargo, but also one's budget.

    Comfort is probably one of the most important things to look at when purchasing.
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    It is like when purchasing a gun.

    There are many fine manufacturers of many different fine pieces of equipment. The first thing you do is decide on caliber and price and
    the next thing you want to do is find one which fits your hand properly and "feels right". Given these factors, the selection group should narrow all by itself VERY fast.
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    Rover Group and Honda were partnered for early 90's until BMW bought Rover Group from British Aerospace. Honda sold a rebadged Discovery in Japan as the Honda Crossroad in 94-95.
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    The Freelander has a 104" wheelbase. The Engine and transmission are located slightly further back than they are on the CRV and Forester. The other factors involved in the smaller cargo area involve the rear seat legroom which is at least as much as the CRV, if not a bit more. The rear seats fold differently than the Forester or CRV due to the fact that they are higher than the fronts. The seat back folds down then the whole seat flips forward. The AWD system is similar to a manual trans Forester, as it utilizes a viscous coupling to control front to rear traction. The Hill Descent Control utilizes the ABS system to allow descents in 1st or reverse without the user having to control speed of descent.
  • ricklund1ricklund1 Member Posts: 3
    Can anyone comment on these bulbs for their CRV. I have a 2001 EX, and like the looks of the purple tint in the headlights of some of the vehicles I see at night. What's the deal with these things? I see they come in a "bright white", green, and blue.

    Anyone have something to say about them?
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