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sorry we lost you to the seats and size- car is a little smaller then the TL as its target is the 3 series-- there have been many posts on the sports seats in the infiniti section-most of the complaints are on how they hug you bottom-some people have swapped them for regular G seats-- It seems that smaller people find them just fine-- i hope they will take care of this soon. you will love the honda product they do it right and cars run for a long time. I hope acura painted the grill for you for free.
Graphicsguy wrote " Plus, I could have bought one cheaper than the TL SH AWD"
why is that a negative?? not getting it?? you should of leased a 911 as money not a problem.
and what i want is someone with the 6 speed to talk about it-- thats it. Always loved my GSR's 5 speed trans- one of the best gear boxes ever made with an engine that would roar to 8k RPM and would still get 30mpg on the highway.
sweeney....cheaper price....no not a negative at all. I have a friend who works for Nissan. He invited me to use a VPP discount. Last month (don't know if they extended it) the employee VPP discount was extended to friends and suppliers to boost sales of the G (and all Nissan/Infiniti cars). A G37x-s turned out to be about $2K+ less expensive than a TL SH AWD. As I mentioned, I'm not a big guy, but those sport seats were uncomfortable for me. The standard seats were better, but still didn't fit me as well as the TL sport seats.
But, to get the handling I wanted, I had to go with the "S" package. Sport seats were standard with that option.
If you find them comfortable, then that's great.
Most Acura dealers I know have at least a couple of 6 speed manual cars. If you're in the market, might want to try test driving one of those.
Urban driving has me given up my manual trans cars. Maybe if I ever get a nice weekend warrior, where I don't have to drive it in day-to-day in stop and go traffic, I'll get another manual trans car.
Good luck with whatever car you seek.
I keep hearing about this VPP discount that nissan offers- i dont know of anyone who is associated with nissan-- to bad because i would be all over it with the New M 45
I've driven in Boston in the winter (going from Logan to Acton) for work. Used to make that trip about twice/mo in rental cars. The trip from the airport into the tunnels (going through all the construction during the "big dig") and back out wasn't much fun then. AWD is a definite plus, there.
I know that Infiniti offers the G with a manual transmission. I dealt with 3 different dealers. They just don't order them to put on the lot. They're all automatics. Every dealer I've spoken with say they just don't sell with a manual trans.
Same with the Audi dealerships I spoke with. For a brief time, I was thinking of a coupe. And, i liked the A5. Dealers had a couple of manual trans A5s. But, they couldn't move them. I'm still not real comfortable with Audi's reliability, yet. That's one of the reasons I crossed them off my list.
The Acura dealers sell every manual trans TL they can get their hands on. Go figure.
Coupe=best looking car under 60k..
for those who are looking acura of boston has one 6speed on the lot of 48 TL's on the lot-- fully loaded. 9 of 48 are the AWD version--
I'm just saying, I don't understand why Acura had to punish the people who either can not afford, or like myself don't need a nav system by including the ELS in the tech package. It was much better the way it was in the 3G were you got the ELS and everything else in the base model except the nav and rear camera which were extra. I'm just saying I wish they had kept it that way.
Definitely agree with you on BMW and Mercedes. They make you pay ridiculous and extra (heated front seats are alone and like 900 bucks for instance) for every single luxury feature that comes either standard on the TL or in a much less expensive option package. I do agree though, Acura has the best nav system on the market, probably followed by Infiniti. They give you the biggest and best graphic screen and don't lock you out of every feature when you drive like everyone else does. The only one that doesn't do that to a great extent is Audi. If I had to chose a German car to be in, it would definitely be a Audi. But I'm still happy with my Infiniti and Acura!!!
Its funny all this cross shopping you guys did. I cross-shopped the same vehicles last year. The ES350 was a very comfortable car but the handling was sloopy and there was no road feel. I typically like a little bit of road feel in the steering wheel as input to remind me I'm driving. The G37 handled the best out of the bunch but its narrowness made the interior feel too cramp and gas mileage I knew would not be as good as the ES, TL, or Maxima. We liked the TL but in all honesty, its just too big of a car now for my taste and I just couldn't get past the grill. We went with the Maxima because the ride was good, it handled decently, and we loved the body style the best over the others. The interior was nice and laid out easy for everything but the interior was a little bit better in the TL obviously but the exterior we felt was better than the TL and the size of the car was right so we had to chose what we wanted to live with. Between the aggressive body style and the really comfortable front seats we went with the Maxima and I haven't regretted it. The front seats were even more comfortable then the ones in the TL.
The TL though would have probably been our second choice if that damn grill was just toned down a little bit. TL though is still a nice car and a great bang for the buck in the luxury market. Can you believe there are fools on here who still think Acura isn't on a luxury level that BMW and Mercedes are??
LIke you, I had some misgivings about the G's auto trans. Maybe the logic needs to be reprogrammed. But, the ones I test drove couldn't seem to figure out which gear to be in. They were either constantly searching for the right gear, or would stubbornly hold to high of a gear before I could get them to kick down a gear or two.
Cars of this ilk, the Audis, the Benzs, the Caddys, all of them seem to prefer the "big grill" look. Personally, I like those looks. I can see where others may not, however.
Last Lexus I looked at was a few years ago when I test drove an IS 350. Cramped. And, the electronics were confounding. I've never driven an ES. I'll take your word for it.
I understand why Acura went they did with the grill from a marketing stand point because others have increased the grill (just take a look at the new Sonata for a great example of this) but I would have done a bit differently, but hey everyone is different. I do admit, it has grown a tiny bit on me since I first saw it.
Yes, the IS was extremely cramped inside. The backseat was completely useless. The TSX has a small backseat but at least you can get into it if you have to but the IS was impossible.
Acura grill- look dealers are painting them to match the car- its terrible that something like that could happen-- did they do any research when releasing the styling?? If acura wants to get back in the game--and sell some cars- they need to fix the corporate style - -lets get rid of the RL and ZDX-- concentrate on bread and butter cars-- Make them all AWD (including the cool TSX) --drop the turbo 4 into the TSX- make it 300 hp--AWD- improve the grill-- Get a Coupe -- fix the TL style-- and officially call the car your flagship. - TSX wagon- ZDX- RL-- grill - not working.
02/18/2010, Fountain Valley, California
STATEMENT REGARDING THE SONATA FRONT DOOR LATCH.Hyundai Motor Company will conduct a voluntary recall in the United States to inspect and, if necessary, replace the front door latches of approximately 5,000 model year 2011 Sonatas, produced December 11, 2009 – February 15, 2010. Of this number, approximately 1,300 cars have been delivered to customers. Hyundai Motor America began shipping replacement door latches to dealers on Wednesday, Feburary 24, for those vehicles that require latch replacement. Sonata vehicle sales have resumed after a short stop sale that allowed us to get the new latches to our dealers.
Hyundai is voluntarily initiating this action to ensure the safety and quality of vehicles and the continued satisfaction of our customers. Dealers will make the repairs, which should take less than an hour, free of charge. .
HYUNDAI MOTOR AMERICAHyundai Motor America, headquartered in Fountain Valley, Calif., is a subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Company of Korea. Hyundai vehicles are distributed throughout the United States by Hyundai Motor America and are sold and serviced by almost 800 Hyundai dealerships nationwide. :sick: :sick: :sick:
nice to pull out a voluntary recall (on a new model car) but i raise you this one--
http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/honda/honda_accord.htm
doh!!
hyundai in the rear window of acura/honda, nissan/infiniti, toyo/lex-- among others-- sure they have had to overcome its past problems --if i had 45k to spend on a car-- and had two choices - hyundai vs honda-- and i must spend the entire 45k -on one car... I would pick a loaded genesis v8-- with every option its 4k less then a base RL- a RL with its tech package would be 11k more-- for a Car that is smaller and a v6 and has a busted noise.. plus i would also have a grand or 2 in my pocket b/c the hyundai doesn't even hit the 45k mark.
acura needs to act fast before they are forgotten
I'm betting they've changed their tune recently.
In the few weeks I've had my TL, I've received nothing but compliments. Personally, I like the way Acura has gone bold with their styling, across their entire lineup.
Have to agree. The current version looks fat, and of course that front end is an abomination. We have an 04 TL and 07 TL and will either wait until Acura does major change on TL design or will go elsewhere for next vehicles.
The width and height of the new TL are fine in my book, its just I think they made it just a bit too long. Something that can be rectified hopefully on the 5th Gen!!
For styling, I'd vote for the Audi A5. Can't speak for driving dynamics, though, since I haven't driven either car.
By the way, I'd choose the turbo 4 over the V6, since it has plenty of power, especially in the midrange. 220 horsepower may not seem like much these days, but the turbo 4 delivers a lot of torque where it's most useful, in the midrange. If off-the-line acceleration is your thing -- it doesn't happen to be mine -- then get a Mustang GT.
I recently purchased an '07 A4 Quattro with the turbo 4 for my wife, and we're happy with the performance and driving dynamics. Our other car is a TL.
straightline performance should be mixed in when talking about overall performance for 40k-- - the turbo 2.0t in the audi/passat/jetta is a good engine -good MPGS- Its torque figure is quite good for the 2010 model at 250lb-ft but lets remember this car is no lightweight. I think you did the smart thing and bought a used audi because from the factory a new audi way overmatched/overpriced in this class (S4 another story but extra 20 grand)- hope you other car the TL is pre 2009 model (ugly duckling).
btw, dont knock mustang - america striking back -- 300 hp v6 coming with 30 mpgs- o yeah and 275 lbs-ft (something you love) -- bet its pretty good thru the cones as well-- all that for under 25k. :shades:
My wife and I considered a new A4, but concluded that the value proposition was better if we could buy a well maintained used one from a private owner. As it happened, I found one on Craigslist in just the color (dark blue) and interior (beige) that my wife preferred.
My main concern about the Audi brand is reliability. Time will tell on that, but, based on the fact that we liked the car, we decided to take the risk. It's our first Audi, and if it disappoints us on "cost-to-own," it'll be our last one. Consumer Reports recommended the A4 for '07, so that was somewhat comforting. Owners reporting on Edmunds either loved them or hated them -- mostly the former, but the opinions seemed to be more polarized than usual. We'll see if we got a good one or a bad one.
Our TL is a '99, which we bought new, and still like very much. The reason we didn't consider an '09 or '10 TL is that we agree with you; Acura missed the boat on the styling. In addition, it's dimensions and weight are more than we need or want.
The LaCrosse looks competitive, but not yet in "gotta have it" league for me. As for the '11 Regal, it looks promising too, but I don't know about class-leading. While I saw a Regal on display at the Washington, DC auto show, the public wasn't permitted to see it up close. My early impression, based on what I've read, is that, like the LaCrosse, the Regal is competitive, but isn't a clear winner.
Some examples of class-leading, from an overall perspective (including performance, driving dynamics, reliability, styling and price), are the Camrys and Accords of the '80s through mid '90s, the '88 through approximately '96 Maxima, the second and third generation TL ('99 - '08), and first, second, and third generation Preludes and Integras, and the E-Class Mercedes of the mid-late'80s. I'd like to include some BMWs, VWs and Audis, but they fall down on reliability. For example, the first generation A4 would have made the cut, in my opinion, but due to reliability and cost-of-repair issues, it caused too many owners too much grief. Too bad, because it was a gorgeous car, with a lot of attributes.
The were and are many other excellent cars that aren't quite class leaders, by my definition, and my examples didn't include all the class leaders.
maybe this will kick honda in the azs.
http://www.buick.com/assets/en/pdf/futurelanding/regal/Buick_Regal_GS.pdf
http://www.motoringtv.com/watch-motoringtv-p127719&epId=136278&yr=2010
I've yet to hear one negative from anyone when I park my car. It's been just the opposite, I've had people actually spend time waking around my car and giving me a "thumbs up".
http://www.buick.com/regal/2011/
http://www.buick.com/regal/2011/pictures/
I have a sensitive back and I found the seats both front and rear extremely too firm and uncomfortable for my taste at least. I have lumbar problems and their seats cushions push right in on the low back way to hard. I even made sure the lumbar support was fully depressed but it made no difference.
I'm pretty amazed at what my SH AWD TL can do....even in every day driving. It more or less begs me to hit an apex at any speed I dare, and never gets unsettled. It's comfortable and quiet in doing so, too (except for the exhaust snarl when you wind it up). The seats are some of the most comfortable, and supportive I've ever experienced in any car. And I love the steering feel (as well as the steering wheel).
When they had the Regal (and the LaCrosse) at our local car show this past winter I got the chance to look at, and sit in them. Good effort by GM. And, they both made me think that GM was finally "getting it".
However, you look a little closer and you see some of the "old GM think" in the finishing details. For example, something as simple as window switches had a "rough feel" on the edges. Plus, there was "play" in the buttons on the dash. So, you could tell the tolerances for the LaCrosse (which is the one I spent the most time in) were much more than what you'd find in the TL. Truth told, I found the same sort of lack of "finishing" in the CTS, too. Goes to show, regardless of the GM car you're looking at, tolerances and finishing are still works in progress for them.
Regal sounds interesting, but people are gushing over it before it even hits the streets here. We really don't know what it will be like until it gets on U.S. roads.
I hope it's a hit for GM. We've got out tax dollars depending on it.
I think it's clear that the LaCrosse is aimed squarely at the Lexus ES. Those seeking that type of ride, that type of handling probably won't shop a TL, BMW 3-5, Audi A4-6.
IMHO....TL's are just very well made, good handling, very reliable, long lasting sports sedans. Yes, it has "edgy" styling. But, I prefer that over Acura's (and Honda's ) usual conservative looks.
Let me know if you did, also the price and what the process entails.
Not dissing the LaCrosse. It's a big step in the right direction for GM. Not my cup 'o tea. But, if someone is shopping in that category (like a Lexus ES), it's worth looking into. Can't comment about the Regal, as I've only eyeballed one at a car show. Sounds interesting.....but not interesting enough for me to seriously look at one.
I really like my TL (2nd one I've owned). After shopping Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, even a Ford SHO, all of which were generally in the same price range as the TL, I chose the TL SH AWD as the car I spent my own money on. Actually, the Audi A4 was a little less. The A6 was more.
If the LaCrosse, or Regal are your desire, I'd at least look at the Lexus IS/ES, which are the main competitors.
-MB C class 4 matic......truthfully, the only thing that car had going for it was the Mercedes logo. It just didn't compete on any other level with any of the others I test drove.
-Audi....the A4/5/6 are very nice cars. The 4 cyl turbos are good motors, but really can't compete with the other 6 cyl variants in the other cars. Plus, I still don't trust their reliability. The 6 cyl A5 and A6 were nice, too. But once you option them up to the level of the TL SH AWD w/ tech (what I have), they go well over the cost of a TL. BTW...the only manual tranny you could find outside of the TL SH AWD was on the A5. Other makes/models may advertise they make them, but you can't find them on the lot.
-BMW 335i....very nice car. Cramped. BMW is having some fuel pump issues with that model right now. Plus, equipped like for like, were about $10K more than the TL SH AWD once all the negotiations are done. This is a car that's subsidized by BMW with attractive leases. It's the car to lease (so you can get out of it before the warranty expires). I purchase my cars, not lease them. So, that wasn't very attractive to me. I've owned a BMW in the past. Maintenance and repair after the warranty is up will be a shock to most with the amount of money it costs.
-Infiniti G37x.....my 2nd choice. Compared to my TL, the engine sounded coarse. There's something up with their 7-speed trans, too. It seemed it could never find the right gear to be in. Still, a very nice car.
As has been pointed out, the TL has great resale, and is bulletproof. It's fast. SH AWD is the real deal when it comes to handling. The seats are supremely comfortable. Steering is great. And, you'd be hard pressed to find a car that's better built.
When I shopped around I was looking at the GS350 (really wanted this one), Mercedes E350 4MATIC, BWM 535XI and the G35X. I think I gave my opinion on these sometime ago.
Other then the styling, the rest of the car well, I have no interest in. GM is leading on the bells and whistles electronics shown by their recent TV advertisement where they show you PAUSING the audio on the AM-FM radio.. Nice idea!! But in the end, you just want to get in the car, drive it, and not worry what will break next.
A good friend of mine got a 5 series BMW 3 months ago. Traded in his 2005 MDX... He has had 3 major things go wrong with the electronics, and has decided to turn the car back in under the California Lemon Law. He will go and get, that is right, a 2011 TL. He has an extra car, so he is going to wait for the 2011 TL...
I talked to the San Diego Acura dealer this week, they have no information on the 2011 TL. They said they would call me when they arrive in a few months so I can come check it out..
Because as we all know, and I know I'm not the only one who experienced it, GM's biggest problem has always been long-term reliability after the 3-4 year mark when the warranty expires. A good majority of GM owners, myself included, pre 2009 had our cars constantly fall apart after 3-4 years, spending thousands upon thousands of dollars keeping them going when they were only 4-6 years old
Its going to be a couple more years to see if GM's crappy long-term reliability pattern has changed now that they have restructured and completely changed their products!
When you put the new TL up against the premium midsize European or Japanese sedans, I think it measures up quite well. And that is why it was my car of choice.
I can't make the Buick connection, however. I don't know of anyone who owns a TL that cross shopped a Buick, of any of their models. Again, I think GM has made it clear that they were targeting the Lexus IS/ES with Buick. Even there, I can't see where a Lexus buyer would wander into the Buick showroom. Maybe someone who's looking at a CTS but is put off by the Cady's price would move to a LaCrosse.
I just don't see someone looking at a TL, an Audi, a BMW, an Infiniti, going over to the Buick showroom. Sween is the only person I've heard of who would do that.
Talk more about the steering. Some car magazines have said that 09, 10 TLs have "numb" steering. Wife and I have an 04 and 07 TL and are waiting to see if Acura will fix up styling and perhaps other stuff such as steering before we will consider another Acura. Our 04/07 TLs are not as large as new gen and are probably somewhat more nimble. Do not especially want more heft, Don't need more space in back seat, who uses that much anyways. Have a Ody van for utility, hauling people.