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Outlander vs CX-7 vs Tribeca
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Those bras may look good, but they don't cut it. Lot's of dirt ends up working it's way under the bra and then gets ground into the paint itself, over time.
Vince.
The outside look is a bit better but for certain ages, it's now focusing on ages 30-55 which is better because people that age have the money for that vehicle.
Last version was made for that same age but with looks for ages 18 to 35.
It looks more common, more regular, kind of american/german in front, but it will sell better.
By the way I think I'll get the outlander but think the CX-7 looks better... other than that I prefer the mitsu
If you don't, you get the dirt underneath like you said, or water gets trapped under it and turns to a hard mold. (happened to me.)
30 - 55, what about you?
I'm 52 and I just thought the 2007 was "fugly" :P
Vince
Prefer the '07. It's unique- and I kinda' go for that in a car. The '08 looks like a Pacifica ate a Santa Fe.
I like the 2008 despite the Chrysler front end.
The Alfa Romeo gone wrong on the 2007 just didn't work for me.
Tribeca better than the new one. It looks too generic.
Much prefer the 2008. I'm not that superficial by any means (I drive a Forester), but I would not want to be seen in earlier model Tribeca. The front end is just off-putting (although it does look better in person than in photos).
I actually liked the old Tribeca much more, even if it was polarizing. Didn't bother me as much, as say, a Bangle-ized 5-series. I still don't like the interior of the B9. Just too spacey. (FYI, I'm 37)
I can't think of any other example in recent memory where a manufacturer copied a Chrysler design...
Vince.
By the way, I am 62
Toyota: Prius, Camry, Sienna
Dodge: Caravan, Charger
Ford: Crown Vic, Expedition, Escape, Freestyle
Mazda: MPV, CX-7
I know there are many others, but i think that's good enough to make a point.
The other vehicles discussed, don't hold a candle to these two vehicles.
Also, avoid spamming the Forums. It's bad etiquette to post the same message in several different topics.
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Congrats and enjoy, great car!
That is not true. Many mfg's offer special financing, as opposed to rebates, to prevent loss of value in the vehicle.
Also, current rates are around 6.99% for 60 months, so, even at 2.9%, Mitsu had to buy the rate down 4 points. That is losing major money. It just sounds better to have special fi then rebates.
So, since the above models are also quite popular, it stands to reason that the residuals will be much better than in the past.
Of course, only time will tell...
It is true, they have been pretty popular, however, residual values do not change over night. The previous gen Lancer did not hold value to well, neither did the Outlander. Don't even get me started on the Eclipse.
We will have to wait and see. Just how long is the question!
Here's one web site that rates residuals. Theoretically, 4 or 5-star rated vehicles should be much cheaper to lease than 2-star rated vehicles (like the Outlander).
the Cx-7 is rated at 4-stars.
A reason why Mitsu have low residuals could be attributed to the fact that many mitsu's in past years have not held up so well. Also, the brand does not possess an over all demand that Honda and Toyota generally demand. In the industry, used Mitus's are undesirable, with the exception of a Eclipse Spyder, or the previous Eclipse GS-T/GS-X. There was also a threat of Mitsu leaving the country in the last couple of years.
If I maintain my vehicle well, and it's in top condition with less mileage than average, then it should sell at a better price than KBB's "guesstimate" of its residual value.
I hate to break it to you, but, KBB's values are worthless, and hold no real world value. I have never sold a vehicle for what KBB said it was worth. Their values are based on nothing. They do not buy, or sell vehicles, so, how can they tell you what they are worth?
And yes I will agree with you KBB values are worthless, but the general public still look to them for appraisal values of their trade-in, and the dealer makes even cheaper quotes.
That's why, for me, I maintain my vehicle well, got one of the best warranties (10 yr for powertrain), and I have every intent to drive it until the wheels fall off
If you are planing on driving an Outlander until the wheels fall off, then there is no reason to think about what the residual value might be. By then, it's not worth anything, anyways!
Mitsu has been making a come back. They do make decent vehicles as well. The new Lancer and Outlander have really helped. They just need to get the Galant back on track, and they should do well. Mitsubishi right now is where Mazda was back in 2001-2003. They needed a new company philosophy, and look what it has done for them. Mazda is really striving, making money, and putting out a great product.
If Mitsu continues to improve its line-up and the build quality of their vehicles (get rid of the low budget bits), they will succeed. I hope the Outlander and the Lancer are only the beginning of a new direction and I tend to believe this is the real Mitsubishi, without Chrysler's (bad) influence.
However, it will take few years of sustained effort and good products across the board until they could really see a significant change in the market perception. Mazda's success didn't happen over night either.
Mitsubishi needs a new Galant, Eclipse, Endeavor and they need to bring over the Colt (subcompact) and perhaps the Grandis (mini-minivan).
I honestly think CX-7 and Outlander don't even come close.
The 08 Tribeca, similarly equipped with the 07 Outlander XLS with Navi etc, easily costs 36K$. No thanks, I'll stick with the Outlander XLS for 30.6K$ sticker, which I got for 28K$ (some buyers got it for 26K$). It's really nice to say that X is better than Y, but I don't really take opinions seriously from people who are not in the market for a new SUV. Testimonials from actual buyers of the Outlander can attest to the words "most bang for the buck". See here: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0fda72.f0fda3a/552
And in the Japanese market, the Outlander outsold the RAV-4 and CRV for a few months in a row after its debut. I didn't even see the Tribeca being named as a serious competitor in the SUV segment in Japan. But that's just my 0.02$ worth. I know some people are passionate for a particular brand and model, same as I am.
What’s so superior? Still only 5-speed outdated transmission, horrible gas mileage, only half of Mitsubishi’s warranty, no Auto-AWD mode, no FAST Key, no Keyless Start, no MP3 music server, only 130 watt stereo (vs. 650 watt on Outlander), and no Bluetooth!
Here is the Zdnet review of Tribeca: “we weren't pleased with the fuel economy. With the seven-passenger configuration, legroom was cramped in the middle row. As an alternative, the Land Rover LR2 costs about the same, and gives you off-road capabilities and Bluetooth cell phone integration. We recently reviewed the Mitsubishi Outlander, which costs substantially less, has more cabin tech, and gets better mileage.”
Also the superiority of Subaru’s AWD system is a myth. Do you have any hard data to support your claim? Any independent tests or rally results? Mitsubishi for instance does have the best record in the world toughest off-road completion, which requires really good AWD system. Last year Mitsubishi won 1st place (7th year in a row) and 2nd place in 2007 Dakar Rally, while Subaru did not even made the top 50.
They don't come close because they belong to different class; therefore any comparison is empty talk.
While Subaru has a great AWD system, so does Mitsubishi. A comparison between the two manufacturers' AWD systems depends on the application. The results may vary, so saying that one AWD system is absolutely better than the other may not be true.
Subaru vs. Mitsubishi battle will take place in the compact sport sedan class: Impreza WRX vs. Lancer Ralliart and Impreza WRX STi vs. Lancer Evo X and it will be a very interesting one. So far, Mitsubishi seems to win the "beauty contest".