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2001 - 2006 Honda CR-Vs



  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Keep in mind that gearing also plays a big role in 0-60 numbers, not just engine power. If I'm not mistaken, the 5-speed on the CR-V is geared relatively short. The trade off is between brisk acceleration and relaxed crusing at highway speeds.

    I wouldn't be suprised if Honda decides to gear the 5-speed CR-V a little taller this time to reduce highway driving noise now that the engine is bigger.

    Aside from 0-60 numbers, I'd also be interested in the torque curve especially when looking at SUVs.

  • SpyponderSpyponder Posts: 128
    I haven't investigated the new RAV4's; is it any bigger inside? I eliminated the previous RAV4 from contention a few years ago when I couldn't fit my fat behind in the driver's seat - waaaay too small. Never even made it to a test-drive.
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Diploid - You and I have very different tastes. I was happy to see the 2 door RAV go the way of the Dodo. I thought Toyota was embarassing themselves. :-) Beauty... Eyes...Beholder...

    Kens - Yes, gearing is as important as hp when it comes to acceleration. However, I don't think a tradeoff is required. It's possible to have short 1st and 2nd gears without also having a tall 5th. In the current CR-V, they kept them all short because the torque curve gets interesting around 3K. With 5th spinning at that rpm, it allows for best passing power at highway speed. I would have prefered that 5th were a taller gear (if I want to pass, I'll downshift), but Honda wasn't listening to me back then. ;-)

    The torque curves for the 2.0 i-VTEC variants are all pretty flat. The Stream puts out max torque from about 2 - 4.5K. I don't recall what it is the Civic TR or the RSXs. I reread the message attributed to C&D and saw that it specifies an i-VTEC block. So far, so good.

    Spy - The back of the new RAV4 is a little better, but not much.
  • jlr4jlr4 Posts: 1
    We drove the Rav4 in a 5 speed and were extremely disappointed in the lack of power. Personally, after driving the 2001 CRV and the 2001 Rav4, I would choose the CRV hands down...more space and better pick up. However, I decided to wait and put a deposit down for a 2002 EX 5-speed.
  • suvshopper4suvshopper4 Posts: 1,110
    diploid (re #2249): When is the new Forester design due?
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I think it's March or April of 2002.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    OT, but the Forester redesign will be in 2003. There is a rumored turbo engine coming in the current body style next year, however.

  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Here's a thought. Honda has been relatively busy with the recent expansion of their "activity" lineup. A few months ago the Stream was introduced. Then a new version of the HR-V started getting press. The CR-V is due in a few months and the Honda version of the MDX is scheduled for Spring of '02.

    While we won't see the HR-V and Stream, these are sold next to the CR-V in other markets. The Honda lineup isn't all that big. All these vehicles being introduced or redesigned at about the same time may be another reason for Honda keeping the lid down tight on rumors.
  • Has anyone experienced driving a 146HP CR-V with
    the Jackson Racing Supercharger (increased to
    ~172.8 HP) to give real world, first hand
    impressions of the HP increase?

    The DYNORUN on their Web site claims (5-spd):
    Max POWER = 172.8 HP (std CR-V is 126 HP)
    Max TORQUE = 147.5 ft-lbs

    (the search function is not working at the moment
    so please forgive if this has been previously

  • gkoffgkoff Posts: 36
    Varmit.....saw you commented a while ago that you spent $250 for sound deadening material for your CR-V. I'd like to know what you did and where you got the material.

    I improved my '99 a lot by putting two layers of sound deadening under hood (like hoodliner) and on the sides and rear of engine compartment. Also added deadening material on inside of front doors. Plus, I added a deadening mat under front carpet.

    I bet I spent about $200 doing this and it really helps (engine noise is minimal in city and about 70% reduced on highway). Got materials from Dynamat and JC Whitney. Whitney material was less expensive and worked fine. Would like to do more......can you enlighten me on what you are doing?
  • scottdudescottdude Posts: 177
    Someone mentioned that the remote window controls are lighted on the EX. How about on the LX?
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Gkoff - I purchased Dynamamt Extreme from Crutchfield. I'm doing a little bit at a time, so I can't tell you how effective it's been. My first concern was with road noise, so I'm starting with the interior, not the engine bay.

    I'd actually like to hear more about what you did. I've never installed this sort of thing and haven't gotten much advice. So far I've only done the driver's door (see below). I started with the interior door panel and put a few pieces on the bottom of the outer sheetmetal. This has only made a mild difference in sound. I think I'll have to go back and cover the entire outer panel.


    I think I did a pretty lousy job, actually. I didn't have the right tools or the time to do it when I started. I was expecting a 2 hour job, but it ran to 4 hours and I ran out of daylight. Next time, I'll be better prepared. The sheets I cut for this door were small and shaped to fit each nook and cranny. Next time I'll use larger sheets (fewer seems) and mold them to the uneven surfaces. I found that it was much easier to manipulate than I expected and I wasted time trying to cut exact shapes. Live and learn...
    If you have any pics of your's, I'd love to see them. Thanks.
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Scottdude - The 96-98 models did not have lighted window switches. IMHO, this would be a much bigger problem than their location. The 99-01 models have glowing tips on the switches. Both LX ans EX models have the same switches.
  • I bought my 2001 CR-V (EX, automatic, Milano Red) in June and I am absolutely in love with the vehicle. As I was researching before making the purchase, I was impressed by how much CR-V owners seemed to love their cars. Thank you for your comments. You were all extremely helpful. Couple your postings with an attentive Honda salesperson and then contrast that with a creepy Ford dealer who insisted that I did not know what I was talking about when I asked about the Escape's recall record, the choice was easy.

    What I like most: Gas mileage -- Living in South Carolina where using the air conditioning is a necessity, I figured that gas mileage in a SUV would be awful. The CR-V has been a very pleasant surprise. Summer city mileage is only a little less than my old '93 Saturn SL1 and it seems to be getting better. (Oh, if I had bought that V6 Escape, I would be at a gas station every three days.) Visibility -- Compared to my Saturn, I feel like I'm driving on stilts. My dogs love the vantage point. The tailgate -- I like it. Popping the glass hatch to drop in a few bags of groceries is much easier and much more convenient than opening a trunk or a heavy liftgate.

    I have just one complaint: the Cruise Control -- I noticed on that Honda admits that the CR-V cruise control has difficulty maintaining speed on hills. That's for sure. This area is not known for rugged terrain, but my CR-V's cruise revs the engine high (for me at least -- up to 5,000 rpm) going up a small rise on the interstate and speed drops back as much as 15 mph. It happens even when the A/C is turned off. I usually end up disengaging the cruise, because I am afraid of hurting the engine. Am I overreacting? Is this normal behavior for the CR-V cruise control or should I be concerned that there is a problem with the car?

    Thanks for any advice you can offer.
    -- PRD
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    PRD - Yep, that can be frustrating if you're not accustomed to it. There's nothing wrong with the car and, no, you are not hurting it. Honda is well know for high revving engines. The CR-V's engine is based on the 8,000+ rpms Integra if that gives you piece of mind.

    In fact... kick it up a notch! I have a 5 speed and, once in a while, I'll rev it to redline just for fun. It's gawd awful loud, but it's surprizing how much power there is above 4,000 rpms.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    I'll have to link your post to the Dynamat discussion topic in the Aftermarket & Accessories message board. Keep them coming :-) The Dynamatted doors probably have a better "clunk" noise when closed now, eh?

    Have you considered opening up the A-pillar trim to see if there is insulation behind there? In many vehicles there isn't any, and it can be a source of wind noise. The front footwell/firewall areas are also where some people I know of have Dynamatted their cars.

    Good luck,

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  • quakedrquakedr Posts: 2
    PRD -- If I remember correctly, the cruise control problem discussed in is due to the lack of vaccum to actuate the throttle. I think the symptoms you described are more due to the lack of torque, since the auto-tranny downswifts and revs high to try to maintain the set speed. I've driven mostly 4-cyl. cars, and this is a common occurrence when driving uphill with the cruise control on. Even without the cruise control, an automatic will sometimes downshift when you try to depress the gas pedal to maintain speed going uphill (if you don't have enough torque).

    My solution? When I see a hill coming up, I speed up and let the car lose some speed while going up the hill.

    Cheers. --- quakedr
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    i agree with posts before mine, but also don't forget that cr-v's auto tranny is equipped with what honda calls "grade logic" transmision. when it sences you going up a hill it automatically downshifts to prevent the tranny from "hunting" (switching from 4th to 3rd, back and forth) if you noticed even after you have passed the top of the hill, the tranny is still in the 3rd for a few moments. i know that the engine noise can be some what scary, but don't worry hondas are designed to be revved high. once you have passed the 1600 miles mark, try and open her up to the red line. you will see a completely different personality of your cr-v. i switched from a 5 spd, vtec civic, so my expectations are a little bit higher, i still wish my cr-v had 5 spd and VTEC.
  • varmitvarmit Posts: 1,125
    Thanks Drew. I've got a post over in "Vibration Dampers e.g. Dynamat", but no responses yet. I'll be doing some more work on it today.

    I'll check the A pillars. Most of the wind noise comes off the mirrors, so I don't think that the A pillars are a big culprit. I'm not expecting a complete reduction in noise, I just want to take the edge off.

    I did parts of the footwell as well as the door above, but I haven't finished the job. I needed tools that I didn't have. I'd like to apply it up the firewall on the inside. If that doesn't work, I'll try from the engine bay side of the wall.
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    The cruise control problem with lack of vacuum that was discussed on the site is only valid for the 1997 model year. Honda changed the vacuum reservoir in 1998.
  • crvenvycrvenvy Posts: 7
    I have finally decided that the 2001 model is for me. I decided not to wait for the 2002 becuase I like the 2001 model too much. And if the 2002 model is nice, then I will be able to get one in three to four years(Seeing Honda will change the CRV every 4-5 years).

    Now I went out to a dealership in Maryland(Hersons Honda in Rockeville) and they gave me a quote of $20,200 on a Silver 2001 EX automatic with no extras. They kept telling me this is it, CRV's are running out fast and the less the 2001 there are the less likely dealers will be giving a lower price. Does anyone know of any dealer incentives out there for the remaining 2001 and is a price of $20,200 decent. Also am I being unrealistic to be shooting for $19,400. I really dont want to pay more than $20,000 on a model that is being changed. Any comments, thanks in advance.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I've seen dealer ads in my local newspaper for 2001 models of Honda Passports for as low as $20,000.00 Now I know the Passport isn't as unique to Honda as the CR-V (and probably not as easy to live with, either), but they are generally more expensive than CR-Vs, which leads me to believe that you can possibly get an EX CR-V for under $20,000. And I did see an ad for a 2001 CR-V that costs nineteen thousand and then some.

    I'm almost tempted to tell you that the salesmen who's telling you to "take it or leave it" is lying, but I honestly don't think he is. The 2001 models are still selling well despite nearing its moribund days. But you should still try to talk the price down. So what if he doesn't budge, you'll still get an EX model for a relatively decent price.

    I'm speaking from buying experience here, so if you try my advice and it doesn't work, my apologies, LOL. If you show him that you really want the car, and he's very eager to get it off the lot, he may just budge. Especially if you offer a large cash down payment. He may only go lower by $500, but that's still something. Although I wouldn't try this method with the Honda Odysseys or the Acura MDXs.
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    (True Market Value) for the 2001 EX automatic is $20,431 (which include $440 destination charge, $19,991 without). Invoice is $20,132 (also including destination, $19,691 without).

    They also show that the only current incentive for the CR-V is a low finance rate. 3.9% for 24-36 months, 4.9% for 39-48 months, 5.9% 51-60 months.

    Since your $19,400 is below invoice you're unlikely to get that low.

    The information came from here:

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    August 27th, so if anyone can get a hold of an issue of Automotive News, check for the report on Asian makes, including Honda's future plans. Ours is not here yet.

    This class has expanded, so a two-engine strategy has become common. Ford/Mazda, Hyundai, and Jeep all offer 4 bangers and V6s. Heck, Nissan has 3 engines! Too bad none have adequate power with their 4s, and the V6s guzzle gas.

    I think Honda, Toyota, and especially Subaru have decent 4 bangers. Efficient and at least adequate. But is that enough any more? I don't know.

    I'd like to see a Type R CR-V with 200 horses to compete with the big boys.

    Toyota can get 180hp out of their 1.8l, so why not 200 from their RAV4?

    Finally, Subaru will very likely offer a bigger or forced induction engine option when the new Forester arrives. When it was launched in MY1998, the Cherokee had best in class power at 180hp, so 165hp was pretty close, better when you factored in mpg.

    But now 215hp is best-in-class. Seemingly everyone offers 200hp. Are powerhouses like Honda and Toyota just going to sit back and follow the leaders?

    Meanwhile, Spy is best off stretching the budget to get into a Highlander.

  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    you can get an ex with 5 spd for $19,400, but i doubt that you will get an auto for that price, unless you wait until the release of the new cr-v (october -- november) then the delaers will be willing to sell bellow invoice. the sad thing is that you can get a passport or better 4 runner for less than a cr-v or rav4. when i was at toyota negotiating rav4 the 4 runner was $500 cheaper with auto (pwr winds/locks, cruise, a/c, low gearing switch, v6, and bunch more)in sr5 trim than rav4 with quick order option package (not even l package) with 5 spd. i would have gotten a 4runner if it wasn't so cramped, it had just as much elbow and head room as my civic. the manufacturers are giving dealers heavy incentives on these big, by japanese standards, gas guzzling trucks. cr-v and rav4 are hot because they are economical alternative to passport and 4runner.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Are you kidding? A 4Runner SR5 goes for $27k in the DC metro area. It used to be $30k, but they're still nowhere near a CR-V's price.

    A Jeep Liberty, maybe.

    The 4Runner and Rodeo/Passport are old designs, but incentives only do so much to the price.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    It seems like these JD Power studies come out every month....

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It only covers 90 days of ownership, though. In some cases (VW, Chrysler Concorde) these short-term quality measures to not translate into long-term reliability.

    At least it does for the CR-V.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I enjoyed this quote in the news this morning:

    "A: ... Can't sing, can't dance and can't understand how anyone could comment on reliability after a week behind the wheel."

    Chicago Tribune Car Question and Answer Column

    I've been in my minivan for almost three years/55k, and I'm still withholding judgment on its reliability (so far so good, touch wood).

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  • SpyponderSpyponder Posts: 128
    I haven't considered the Highlander too seriously. I've seen a few on the road, and frankly they seem a little bland-looking - there's nothing distinctive about them at all. I guess to be thorough I ought to check it out.

    This is haping up to be a difficult buying season for me. I wish Honda would make it easier for me!

    BTW, I was behind what must have been the newest-model Forester yesterday, and I have to say from behind it looked pretty sharp. Did they make some cosmetic changes on it recently? It is still too small and low for me to consider it seriously, but it seems a little nicer looking now than it did a few years ago.
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