Scname - Don't mistake English designed cars for English manufacturing. Production will continue in the Sayama plant as well as the Swindon facility. Both plants will ship to the US. I believe the 2.0 and 2.4 versions can be assembled on the same lines.
I created a Topic entitled HOW TO BUY A USED SUV. I'm sure all the experts on posting here simply missed it because otherwise I would have seen more than 4 comments (2 of which are mine).
I could use your help so if you can take a break from the CRV, I'd be most appreciative.
Visited my local Honda dealer yesterday, and he handed me a one page color sheet on the new CRV. On the front was a photo of the CRV in Chianti Red taken from the front. ( My wife thought it looked like a mini- MDX.) On the back side is a photo of the interior in the saddle color. Good photos, but little else. Just a teaser......
We like our 01 CR-V, but would consider trading it in for the new one with more torque. The new one looks like a good fit assuming it is built in Japan. Anybody have any experience ordering a car/truck/SUV and specifying on the contract that it originate from only one site? GM build full size pickups at 3 or 4 plants in at least 2 countries. So, if I walked in and told the dealer, get me a Japanese CR-V or I'll walk, what would the dealer likely do?
Zircon - You can try it if you like. My understanding (based mostly on reliable sources, but still rumors) is that the West coast will receive shipments from the Sayama plant, and the East coast will get them from Swindon.
The same. I feel responsible for the disapearance of Large Marge too. I still have a spare GG sticker, but I'm saving it just incase I need to replace mine.
My V' goes into the bodyshop tomorrow. My rear bumper was gouged by an uninsured,elderly man who thought it was OK to turn into me. I just love people. Oh boy, I get a rental car for four days.
Assuming that the CR-Vs assembled at Swindon are made from parts kits shipped out of Japan, chances are that East Coast buyers have nothing to worry about. But even if that were not true (Japanese parts)...
I read an article recently from a Japanese publication that said Honda was going to a common worldwide standard for quality, so that a car built at any plant would satisfy finicky Japanese customers, as well as the Europeans. Japanese are concerned with overall fit and finish, Europeans more about the interior, and US buyers are the easiest to satisfy.
BMW imports 3 series from both Germany and South Africa. German cars have bigger engine, South African cars have smaller 2.5 L engine among other minor body details. Maybe Honda will import LX from Swindon and EX from Sayama . something like that.
Read somewhere the Brits won't get their new CRV till Feb 02, we are supposed to get ours mid November. Japanese are already getting their's. Maybe all early ones we get will be Japanese.
Bing's photo.. The new CRV looks 3 inch lower than old. I know HOnda number says it is taller with rails. Photo distortion doesn't seem to explain the difference either.
But then I realized that I've already read the specs for the new CR-V, and it's supposedly larger than the outgoing model.
varmit- I read your comment about a V-6 in the CR-V in the Honda forum. You raise some very good points. But I'm sure Honda would be able to pay off the expense of developing the V-6 when customers buy it. And if they really want to increase profit, just rebadge it as an Acura to battle BMW's X3.
IMO, a V6 CRV would be a great idea, atleast from marketing standpoint. May be Honda will do it, or may be they plan on replacing the Passport with something slightly larger than CRV, and compete directly with Highlander.
Diploid - Rebadging the CR-V with some extras and a more powerful engine might work. With the improved sound dampening and tighter chassis, it has a better chance of passing itself off as an Acura.
Robert - Honda is creating a 6cyl competitor for the Highlander. Once again based on the Ody platform, people are calling it the "Honda MDX". That should compete nicely with the V6 Higlander, while the CR-V remains the efficient entry level SUV.
Bing has published his impressions/review of the 2002 CR-V over at the CR-V IX. He's a nut for details, so It's a pretty long read. His time behind the wheel is described at the very end.
The only thing that he mentioned that was incorrect was that the new CRV is the first mini-SUV with a sliding rear seat. Not true. The new Rav4 and Grand Vitara XL7 both have that feature.
He also noted that EX models will have body colored side mirrors while door handles will remain black.
I posted a picture from temple of vtec, and in those pictures, the models had body colored door handles, mirrors, as well as hard spare cover.
As it's always the case with Honda, I'm sure the EX models will have body colored door handles.
I'm just nit picking- the man still did an excellent job. One thing I hate about car reviews is that they don't have enough pictures of the good stuff. I think the journalists can learn a thing or two from Bing.
Car sites that cover everything under the sun are wonderful, but this is one instance when a single-minded site like hondasuv.com shines through. Where else can you get the perspective of a consumer who's lived with the previous CR-V since its first U.S. model year, and thus truly relate to us if all the annoyances have truly been fixed and if Honda's claimed improvements are more than mere hype?
diploid -- I don't think I'm familiar with the pics you mention, but I do wonder if you're sure that the body-colored handles you saw were intended for export to America. As is seemingly always the case with Honda, good stuff is often withheld from Yankee buyers -- i.e. first-gen CR-V . . . give sunroofs to the Euro market but not to the U.S.; and give cruise control to the U.S, market but not to the Europeans.
Nice review. Finally finished reading the whole thing. ;-)
Anyone else notice that in the video the engine really seems to kick into high gear just before 5000rpm? It's hard to tell exactly the rpm, because the camera pans away, but it sounds like an afterburner kicks in to give a little extra pep. Anyone know at what rpm VTEC kicks in?
The rear seat looks good. Lots of flexibility there, and a wider passenger area means 3 people will be happier there.
The fog light plugs look a bit cheap.
The underside looks cleaner. I see no exhaust pipe sticking down any more.
Overall, I think anyone who waited made the right choice. Lots of content was added, too. The little things really add up.
I believe it is either a dual or three stage system, so possibly in several places. The "phase"control (VTC) probably kicks in at the very top. In the Stream the VTC kicked in just above 5,000 rpms.
The rearend looks like it does not have an impact absorbing bumper just like the RAV4.Why couldn't it be like Forester with 5mph bumpers front and rear.Other than that it sounds great.Sure you might say the other guys insurance company will fix it if they hit you in the rear.A minor fender tap turns into a big hassle.
The spare tire will probably have first contact and absorb the most impact. We just have to wait until the test results come out.
If it's one thing that Honda-philes know, it's that Honda improves or maintain high levels of satisfaction for crucial things such as bumper crash tests. All you have to do is look at the last generation CR-V's crash test- if they're poor, Honda will most likely have addressed it with the redesign.
Believe it or not, I like the style of the 2001 CR-V better than the 2002, so I might be buyingone. I think I can get a good deal on a 2001 now also.
But one question: an earlier review mentioned that CR-V's have been built in Japan, but I thought I heard that some are built in the US? Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks!
Wellresearched - It'll take time before the consumer agencies like Edmunds can get their hands on invoice speculations. Besides, I expect that the '02 CR-V will be sold at MSRP for the first 6 months.
Tomsr - take a look at this pic and you'll see that the rear bumper on the new model isn't all that different than the current model. It pokes out just as far as the old one, but the cladding on the rear door makes it look more integrated.
Diploid - I disagree. The bumper will take impacts unless the other vehicle is a tall flat-nosed truck. The reason for the CR-V's low ranking in the IIHS bumber bash is the fact that they use a six foot high barrier and a tall post. Both objects impacted the tire and caused damage. If they used a barrier that was the height of an average car bumper, the scores might be very different. Don't get me wrong, the test is valid. You just have to be careful how you interpret the results.
Scottdude - The CR-V will be manufactured in both Japan and merry ole England.
Check out the video again, you definitely here a distinct point where the engine comes alive right around 5000rpm.
I bet the crash test results will be better. The Civic improved, and the public pays more attention to those nowadays. I'm sure Honda simulated tests in their labs.
Just notice in varmit's photo link the black hinges on the hatch glass, which were not there on the previous model. Looks better without those, actually.
3% over invoice works out to about $600 or so, so that's not bad for a new model. Of course Honda has the misfortune of awful timing, since noone is out shopping for a new car. Sales have taken a nose-dive.
Also, GM has no-interest financing. Then Ford matched it. Now Toyota jumped in, and that could hurt everyone else. That means a RAV4, Highlander, Tracker, TrailBlazer, Escape, and Explorer have a nice boost.
Does anyone know whether the '02 CR-V will be available with the same dealer-installed alarm, with the hood harness and siren kit add-ons? I happen to really like this system (other than the higher cost). I've got it on my '97 and much prefer it to the factory system on Accords/TL/CL/MDX/etc.
Another thing: I sure hope Honda has increased the capacity of the AC unit as Bing has indicated. The old unit was useless if the weather exceeded 75 degrees.
"The reports coming in indicate that this replacement model will be 8 inches longer than the MDX upon which it is based, and will reportedly feature seating for up to 8 passengers. If true, this would probably be the "200-inch Tahoe-fighter" SUV that Honda was rumoured (way back in 1997) to be developing."
Jimxo - I doubt that you'll find that offer everywhere, but grab it while you can!
Vmaturo - I think the 75 degrees remark was a bit of an exaggeration. While it takes a while to cool off such a large interior, the A/C is adequate for most climates. It's not stellar, but it works.
I live in South Texas and the temps were EASILY over 75 degrees-F this summer! And the CR-V's A/C worked fine. You merely have to take certain measures to ensure the A/C works optimally such as using a heat shield for the windshield (when parked of course!). Or park as often as possible under shade. Crack open the windows to vent out the hot air as the A/C is initially turned on. All these things would apply to any driver with a vehicle in the South, though. Oh, yes, window tinting is helpful, too.
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My V' goes into the bodyshop tomorrow. My rear bumper was gouged by an uninsured,elderly man who thought it was OK to turn into me. I just love people. Oh boy, I get a rental car for four days.
I read an article recently from a Japanese publication that said Honda was going to a common worldwide standard for quality, so that a car built at any plant would satisfy finicky Japanese customers, as well as the Europeans. Japanese are concerned with overall fit and finish, Europeans more about the interior, and US buyers are the easiest to satisfy.
Read somewhere the Brits won't get their new CRV till Feb 02, we are supposed to get ours mid November. Japanese are already getting their's. Maybe all early ones we get will be Japanese.
Bing's photo.. The new CRV looks 3 inch lower than old. I know HOnda number says it is taller with rails. Photo distortion doesn't seem to explain the difference either.
varmit- I read your comment about a V-6 in the CR-V in the Honda forum. You raise some very good points. But I'm sure Honda would be able to pay off the expense of developing the V-6 when customers buy it. And if they really want to increase profit, just rebadge it as an Acura to battle BMW's X3.
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http://www.honda.co.jp/CR-V/index_flash.html
My wife's Japanese so I've been told what they're getting ...
'Course you can pretty well guess what all the specs are :-)
Looks pretty good to me!
Bill
Robert - Honda is creating a 6cyl competitor for the Highlander. Once again based on the Ody platform, people are calling it the "Honda MDX". That should compete nicely with the V6 Higlander, while the CR-V remains the efficient entry level SUV.
This is universal, for all cars. For USA it's "1", for Canada it's "2", and for Mexico it's "3". I don't recall the character for England.
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I posted a picture from temple of vtec, and in those pictures, the models had body colored door handles, mirrors, as well as hard spare cover.
As it's always the case with Honda, I'm sure the EX models will have body colored door handles.
I'm just nit picking- the man still did an excellent job. One thing I hate about car reviews is that they don't have enough pictures of the good stuff. I think the journalists can learn a thing or two from Bing.
diploid -- I don't think I'm familiar with the pics you mention, but I do wonder if you're sure that the body-colored handles you saw were intended for export to America. As is seemingly always the case with Honda, good stuff is often withheld from Yankee buyers -- i.e. first-gen CR-V . . . give sunroofs to the Euro market but not to the U.S.; and give cruise control to the U.S, market but not to the Europeans.
http://www.vtec.net/news/items/828.html
Notice that in the top lavender CR-V, body colored door handles and spare tire cover are shown.
But although Europe got the sunroof for the first generation CR-V, I think they also had to make due with the initial 4-banger that made 120(?) hp.
Missing from Bing's article is description of the tail lamp. If Honda improved the transparancy of the lens cover.
Japanese CRV pics
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/issue/2001/0918/32npr_kt0918_09.html?kr10
Anyone else notice that in the video the engine really seems to kick into high gear just before 5000rpm? It's hard to tell exactly the rpm, because the camera pans away, but it sounds like an afterburner kicks in to give a little extra pep. Anyone know at what rpm VTEC kicks in?
The rear seat looks good. Lots of flexibility there, and a wider passenger area means 3 people will be happier there.
The fog light plugs look a bit cheap.
The underside looks cleaner. I see no exhaust pipe sticking down any more.
Overall, I think anyone who waited made the right choice. Lots of content was added, too. The little things really add up.
-juice
absorbing bumper just like the RAV4.Why couldn't
it be like Forester with 5mph bumpers front and
rear.Other than that it sounds great.Sure you might say the other guys insurance company will
fix it if they hit you in the rear.A minor fender
tap turns into a big hassle.
We just have to wait until the test results come out.
If it's one thing that Honda-philes know, it's that Honda improves or maintain high levels of satisfaction for crucial things such as bumper crash tests. All you have to do is look at the last generation CR-V's crash test- if they're poor, Honda will most likely have addressed it with the redesign.
But one question: an earlier review mentioned that CR-V's have been built in Japan, but I thought I heard that some are built in the US? Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks!
Tomsr - take a look at this pic and you'll see that the rear bumper on the new model isn't all that different than the current model. It pokes out just as far as the old one, but the cladding on the rear door makes it look more integrated.
Diploid - I disagree. The bumper will take impacts unless the other vehicle is a tall flat-nosed truck. The reason for the CR-V's low ranking in the IIHS bumber bash is the fact that they use a six foot high barrier and a tall post. Both objects impacted the tire and caused damage. If they used a barrier that was the height of an average car bumper, the scores might be very different. Don't get me wrong, the test is valid. You just have to be careful how you interpret the results.
Scottdude - The CR-V will be manufactured in both Japan and merry ole England.
I bet the crash test results will be better. The Civic improved, and the public pays more attention to those nowadays. I'm sure Honda simulated tests in their labs.
Just notice in varmit's photo link the black hinges on the hatch glass, which were not there on the previous model. Looks better without those, actually.
3% over invoice works out to about $600 or so, so that's not bad for a new model. Of course Honda has the misfortune of awful timing, since noone is out shopping for a new car. Sales have taken a nose-dive.
Also, GM has no-interest financing. Then Ford matched it. Now Toyota jumped in, and that could hurt everyone else. That means a RAV4, Highlander, Tracker, TrailBlazer, Escape, and Explorer have a nice boost.
-juice
Another thing: I sure hope Honda has increased the capacity of the AC unit as Bing has indicated. The old unit was useless if the weather exceeded 75 degrees.
"The reports coming in indicate that this replacement model will be 8 inches longer than the MDX upon which it is based, and will reportedly feature seating for up to 8 passengers. If true, this would probably be the "200-inch Tahoe-fighter" SUV that Honda was rumoured (way back in 1997) to be developing."
Vmaturo - I think the 75 degrees remark was a bit of an exaggeration. While it takes a while to cool off such a large interior, the A/C is adequate for most climates. It's not stellar, but it works.