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89 = 1,279 pounds
88 = 1,235 pounds
87 = 1,201 pounds
86 = 1,168 pounds
85 = 1,135 pounds
-juice
Now isn't that cute...
http://home.nexgo.de/honda-club-ems-jade/Japan.u.U.S.Modelle/
UK-press stuff found by UK-Kev at the CR-V IX. It gives a good impression on how the CR-V Is perceived elsewhere.
http://www.honda-newsletter.co.uk/oct2001/generation/index.html#crv
I'd agree with Canadiancl, though. There are many more reasons to get the '02 model. Increases in safety, LEV II emissions, more features, and improved comfort would take the sting out of any styling that seems goofy at first. Besides, you can always dress it up with aftermarket gear. I'm willing to bet that one of the first things to hit the aftermarket will be a body colored grill cover for those black plastic spots next to the '02 grill.
Bob
But I do believe it's also pricey. While it is built off the Accord platform, it's not THE Accord wagon. That distinction goes to something they refer to as the "Aerodeck," which I think is hideous looking.
My definition of a moonroof is that the glass completely opens up (slides) and you can actually pass thru the hole in the roof. A sunroof, to me, is a fixed glass "window" in the roof which can be opened just a little bit at the back.
Can anyone confirm which one the new EX will have?
Thanks.
http://world.honda.com/news/2001/c011017_1.html
One thing i noticed there though, people shift pretty low, most of the japanese drivers would not go above 3000 rpm to shift. I think this is due to the expencive gasoline.
I like that Avancier, though. I even heard rumors that Honda will offer a sport wagon here? Anyone confirm? It would compete with the Legacy GT more than the Outback. The new Mazda 6 wagon, too, which is gorgeous BTW. Audi has gone way upscale with the new A4.
UK mid-size does not equal US mid-size. I know what you're hinting at, varmit. ;-)
Remember, they sell several Fords (Ka, Fiesta to name a few)smaller than the Focus in Europe. A Focus wagon has more space than a BMW 5 series, so it could be considered a mid-size there, too.
ROTFLMAO! Just saw the Unibox! Hilarious, thanks for sharing.
Tribute may not get you that 20mpg you want. Maybe if you drive like grandma, but why bother getting 200hp if you're not going to use it? And if you do use it you'll get closer to 18mpg.
-juice
Seems that there's a playful quality to the way they (and others?) approach the Japanese market - or better, I guess, a playfulness in the people there in terms of what they'll buy and drive that would never fly here. We're so serious - guys all concerned if their car is perceived as "girlie", etc. Don't stray too far from the herd! Odd though - aren't the Japanese supposed to be otherwise so conformist?
re Tribute vs CR-V - from what you said you want I think you, like me, want the '02 CR-V. I think the styling will wear well in years to come, not to mention the vehicle, as well. Still, nothing wrong with the '01 if you like it, and you can get a great deal right now. Just a little too bland in the driving experience dept. for me.
-juice
"...powers the latest CR-V from standstill to 100 km/h in under 10.0 seconds in 5-speed manual form, yet fuel consumption on the Combined Cycle is expected to be 9.0 l/100km." Here in the states, we'd have boo-hoo'd this performance.
"Honda has also improved the CR-V's popular two-way tailgate." We all know how popular the CR-V tailgate is here. ;-)
I also found the way they measure things to be interesting. in particular, the "tandem"distance" and the cargo measurements that go "up to the windowline".
FWIW, the Healy article we saw here a while ago mentioned that new CR-V's interior volume (106 cu-ft.) does, in fact, make it technically a mid-size by American standards.
The Matrix is IMO a beautiful little sport wagon, and will be a huge hit. The only catch I can see is that while it offers 130 or 180hp with FWD, the AWD version is supposed to get just 120 horses. So I'd have to drive one to see if that's enough, but don't expect a rocket unless you get the FWD w/180hp engine.
Yes, the VC is nice a will likely be set up like the RAV4 with a 50/50 full time split. The 180hp engine is straight from the Celica, so it won't have stump pulling torque but will surely get smaller jobs done in a hurry. Too bad you can't combine the two.
-juice
Juice - I recall reading somewhere that even the smallest of the Isuzu diesels (1.8?) won't fit into the Civic engine bay. Honda engines are wee bitty things. The ones that Honda was/is considering were for another platform. I can't find the article, though, so don't quote me on it. :-)
Bob
Honda had other partners back then (Rover?). The deal with GM to provide Honda V6 engines to the General is what gave them the chance to obtain diesel mills from Isuzu. Not sure the date, but it was recent (last couple of years).
-juice
Bob
The Matrix looks odd. I find the Vibe to be better looking.
Honda is reportedly working on a small diesel engine for its mini-cars, which we probably will never see here in the big open U.S.
I don't think any car offers a 'sunroof' now from the factory. It is all moonroof.
Diesel/Hybrids
Honda is going to buy 2.0 liter diesel units for European Accord from Isuzu (in exchange for gasoline V6 units to GM). At the same time, Honda is also developing its own diesel engine design (they don't make one, yet), and they plan to have some engines over couple of years.
There was a rumor about the possibility of hybrid CR-V alongside a Civic sedan version later next year. The hybrid Civic sedan (expected gas mileage of about 68-69 mpg with CVT, better than Insight/CVT!) is just around the corner, and is being launched within a month in Japan, around March, here in the USA. So, may be Honda will continue the gasoline way by combining and improving the hybrid technology.
Avancier & Accord Wagon:
They are both similarly priced, and based on their base price in Japan, they might start somewhere around $20K.
Avancier - engine: 2.3l/I-4 SOHC VTEC(150 HP); 3.0l/V6 SOHC VTEC (215 HP)
Rear profile of Avancier
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/avancier/photo-lib/image/photo1.jpg
Front profile of Accord wagon (SiR/4WD model, 2.3 liter DOHC VTEC)
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/accord_wagon/photo_lib/image/photo2.jpg
Dudka: One thing i noticed there though, people shift pretty low, most of the japanese drivers would not go above 3000 rpm to shift. I think this is due to the expencive gasoline.
Yes. Around town driving for me doesn't require taking the revs beyond 3000-3500 rpm in either of my cars (Civic and four cylinder Accord), and that is the recommended shift point for good fuel economy by Honda (Owner's Manual).
This car is very elegant looking.
BTW, Honda had developed a 1.3 liter diesel engine prototype months ago. And they seem to be working on it. For a while, Honda is supposed to use Isuzu diesels in European models, and follow it up with their own engines.
That is why I would never get the Passport, no matter how deep the dealers cut the prices.
My impressions: First, the silver SE I drove was STUNNING in my opinion... FAR from outdated or even "long in the tooth"... the painted bumpers and side mouldings really dressed it up. The ergonomics were also supurb but the power windows and column shifter did take a little getting used to but nothing that would "break the deal" really. I actually like the cloth in the EX better than the leather and since I don't need the cassette player, I'm wondering if i could save more by just getting an EX. In fact, I'm interested in testing a 5-spd (more $$$ off) for the heck of it to see if it increases the "fun factor".
The power, while no passat turbo, was MORE than sufficient with my only motor complaint being the NOISE at high revs... MAN my old crx didn't sound like that... not a nice mechanical sound let me tell you. Other than that, I really enjoyed it! I am concerned about the gas milage which most tell me is lousy with the cr-v but the insurance is LOW on this vehicle and resale is incredible. As for waiting for the new 2002, honestly, I Just don't like the styling AT ALL... particularly the grey bumpers... they just look cheap and while I'm sure it's much improved, with the current selling at invoice and for 3.9%, I just can't justify going for the 2002. I'm going to drive a tribute and escape for the hell of it for comparison (I know, recall city). anyone out there regret getting the EX with the 5speed? Anyone with any advice on what to look out for would be awesome!
Even better, I'd rather have body-colored bumpers.
I'm rotating the tires this weekend, and giving it a bubble bath and wax, before it starts snowing.
So what I have now is a vehicle with no drawbacks, great quality and reliability and high resale. I plan to keep it for a few more years, then Honda will do its mid-cycle upgrade to the new '02 design. Then I can get best of new design at same time I'll be ready to trade/sell the '99.
You said you like the painted bumpers, however, I don't think you get painted bumpers in the EX trim. i think only SE comes with painted bumpers, mirrors, and side trim.
as far as gas mileage, i noticed that it is steadily improving over time, actually the performance is improving too. i am at 8000 miles and it is much faster than it was when new. i usually get about 350 miles out of a tankfull of mixed city and highway driving at 70-75 with moderate acceleration, and some stop and go.
I owned a VW jetta before and can attest that honda is much better in term of reliability and efficiency. my 99 civic ex used to get 38-40 mpg in the same mixed driving mode. while jetta would only get 25 mpg
Speaking of long trips... Racoon, I'm off to Texas this week, but when I come back I'd like to start planning for the CR-V road rally to FLA.
In 97 I got a card from Honda on the inter net that allocated a CRV @ introduction. When the car arrived it had my name on the sticker. Did anyone here of that program for the 2002 edition.
I saw the road test today on Motor Week. I can't wait to order one when they come out.
New Jersey John
My question is two-fold. Part one - is the CRV Realtime 4wd system (a "reactive" system) as effective Subaru's AWD system (an "active" system) in the fluffy white stuff? Part two - does it really make a tangible difference?
Thanks - Jim