2001 - 2006 Honda CR-Vs

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  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    There is a Honda Engineer who frequents these forums (and will sometimes post at the CR-V IX). He claims that the same q/c standards will put in place for both facilities. Really, it's up to the management of the plant to enforce them.

    The plant in on line, but I don't know what they have begun producing yet.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    Quality control standard is one thing, but it still has to do with the people carrying out those standards. QC can't catch everything. That's why I would still prefer Japanese-built over American, Canadian, British, etc. The Japanese take pride in their work which I don't think has yet been matched by their Western counterparts. It takes years and years to cultivate that kind of attitude. Once its ingrained into the mentality, its hard to lose it. Conversely, if you don't have it, you can't just implement QC standards, turn a switch on, and expect positive results. This is akin to why some sport teams keep winning year after year despite turnover in personnel -- they've got that winning attitude ingrained into the organization.
  • zircon2zircon2 Member Posts: 94
    Interesting cl, I was going to buy the Intrigue over Accord but was worried about quality. Too bad GM is ditching the 3.5 DOHC V6 - expensive to build, but that is what reputations for good power plants are going to take for the general. They should suck it up, pay a little extra now, and then go forward saying their engines are every bit as good and modern as Honda (I know the northstar is a DOHC, but GM seems to rationalize this because of the $$ they get for each caddie). They should do the same for the lower loine V6.

    Test drove the auto CRV - much quieter and faster than out '00. I would like a stick with the roof but can't option the behicle this was in Canada. tood bad.
  • sluglineslugline Member Posts: 391
    http://carpoint.msn.com/advice/news_4019432_6.asp

    Four and five-year-old models were eligible for this study, which meant the CR-V was finally eligible this year. I think this result bodes well for all owners of a first-generation CR-V.

    Bonus Question: Shouldn't Honda/Acura be credited with having FOUR entries on that list? <WINK>
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Honda has had the Swindon, UK plant running for a few years now. In fact, they were supposed to setup another factory, also in Swindon. It used to manufacture Euro Accords and Civics. But with the Accord redesign next year, Honda is planning to use only one model for Japanese and European Accord and manufacture them in Japan and export them to Europe, while we get our own "American" Accord.

    In return, the UK facility will be dedicated to vehicles on Civic platform (3/5 door Civics and CRVs), and they will be exported to Japan as well (and we get the German designed 3-door Civic Si/SiR from the plant as well).

    A friend of mine in UK owns a '98 Accord Type-R (made in UK ofcourse) and absolutely loves it. He has not had any kind of problem. Based on reviews from several European magazines, I would believe in Honda quality control.
  • wildfire007wildfire007 Member Posts: 4
    Hi Rebecca,
    Thanks for the information on the Sacramento area prices. I am in the process of buying a 2002 CRV right now. By the way, have you heard from the other dealers on their prices?

    I sounds to me that a $500 over invoice is acheivable.

    Wildfire
  • kelrhyskelrhys Member Posts: 10
    I haven't received any more responses (so a total of 6 responses out of 14) but I didn't include my name or phone number on any of them so that probably lowered my response rate. Elk Grove, Carmichael, and Davis Honda dealers did not reply. I think Yuba City is the best deal. Although I didn't get a response from Lodi or Tracy so if they are closer to you it might be worthwhile to try them. The smaller towns seemed to have the best deals.

    Rebecca
  • 01honvse01honvse Member Posts: 3
    Hi folks,
    I have a 2001 cr-v se and am looking for an add-on remote starter that will work happily with the existing remote entry system. Does anyone have any information on this? I'm going to install it myself and want to use the same key fob that came with the V. Is there a place where I can find the wiring diagram for the factory remote entry module? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.
  • rver2rver2 Member Posts: 16
    I have ordered my CRV EX in mojave mist from Honda of Mesa in Arizona. The price was 22,720. Its due to arrive in the next couple of weeks. The salesman said he would give the accessories at cost. Here is a list of the accessories including installation. Security System $495; Body side cladding $519; Spare Tire Cover $134; Cargo Cover $194; Front Splash guards $81.50. I have been to the http://www.handa-accessories.com/crv02.html web site and compared their prices to the Honda web site. My suspicion is that either Honda is charging an awful lot for labor or these accessories aren't at cost. I might consider installing the tire cover and cargo cover, but the body cladding and security system will need to be dealer installed. Any comments??
  • suvshopper4suvshopper4 Member Posts: 1,110
    peterclaver: I would only choose the Suzuki XL-7 if I absolutely could not afford something better.

    I agree the Suz might be better off-road (don't know). Still, along with the impractical 3rd row seat previously mentioned, it is a much cruder vehicle with older technology; resale value and reliability / frequency of repair ratings are far below the Honda.

    Down the road, I expect I'd be happier with a three-year-old Honda vs a three-year-old Suzuki. I'd spend more up front if possible.
  • tmanmiatatmanmiata Member Posts: 79
    I am a little suspicious if the accessories are at cost. The cargo cover is a snap-on (unless it takes them 30min. to open the box). Splash guards require removing 3 screws on each side. My dealer quoted me $325 for the security system. Even that I think it is a little expensive since the installation is quite straight forward. The installation instruction for cladding does look tedious, whether it worth over $200 in installation is your call. If your salesman insists he is selling them at cost, find out what the prices are (I am interested myself). Then buy at least the splash guards, cargo cover and spare cover "at cost" from him and put them on yourself. You will at least save a bundle there.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Slugline - Are you asking about the Oasis? What about the one that Bing mentioned: the Crossroad.


    Rver2 - Those prices look pretty steep to me too. Ditto what tmanmiata says.

  • bfyerxabfyerxa Member Posts: 78
    There is a spot on the floor with rubber that is supposed to be the dead pedal, but it is not a proper dead pedal. My foot tends to go against the carpet up on the fire wall completely by-passing the rubber. This is by far the most irritating thing about the 2002 as I use a dead pedal to continually push my butt back into the seat while I drive. The Escape as a great dead pedal.

    As for stuff built in the UK; I have been over to the UK to do some projects and the Brits' love for pubs makes me think twice about buying stuff from there! All joking aside, who knows what the work ethic is like in other countries? I worked with some German people closely related to Daimler and with respect to the DC merger both sides seemed to have an over inflated impression of the other.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Here's a link regarding Honda's history. It's long, but part of is dedicated to the Honda's European projects. It states that the Swindon plant went on-line in 1989 as an engine facility. In 1992 they started building UK Accords. In 1996, they began production of UK Civics. 2000 brought the first production of the CR-V ('96 to '01 model), but this last part sounds fishy to me.
  • tmanmiatatmanmiata Member Posts: 79
    varmit: thanks for the link. There are other interesting info on that web site.

    http://www.automotive-online.com/English/Channel_1/channel1.htm

    1. "Nearly three-quarters of employees voted in favour of having union representation by the Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union at Honda's Swindon plant."


    Based on my experience with UAW and with how unionized plants operate, I hope the Swindon plant or any North America plants will not be unionized.


    2. "Isuzu will end SUV production in Japan"

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I agree, slugline...why is the Isuzu Oasis (which is a rebadged 1st generation Odyssey) given credit and not Honda (who actually made it, in return for the Passport, made by Isuzu)?

    And why is the Lexus LX450 named, but no mention of the Land Cruiser, which is almost equally expensive and is basically the same vehicle?

    Likewise, if the Ford Expedition is named, where's the Lincoln Navigator? I mean, the Maxima and Infiniti I30 are both on the list (under different categories)...

    More and more, I find myself questioning these J.D. surveys.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    BRITISH-BUILT HONDA TOPS RELIABILITY SURVEY - at least according to one poll in the UK.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    How about less than favourable anecdotal evidence from Land Rovers, Jaguars, MG's, etc.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Land Rover, Jaguar, MG, etc do not build Hondas.

    Don't make the mistake of comparing British engineering with British manufacturing. British cars are known for problems because they were designed with problems. It dosn't matter if the guy putting it together is named Johnson or Yakimoto. Most of the time, the guy putting it together has a serial number on its robotic tush, rather than a name.
  • rph2rph2 Member Posts: 16
    Test drove the EX 5 speed this evening. I was disappointed that it's not equipped with an armrest on the driver's side, nor will they install one. Can this be purchased and easily installed by the owner?
  • zircon2zircon2 Member Posts: 94
    I think this would be a serious error if they go down that path. Some of Canada's worst union bosses have come across from the pond. If Honda treat their employees like they do in Ohio and Ontario, there should be no need for a union.

    Intersting to see that Japanese-built Odyssey #1 (and Isuze Oasis) was a market champ re: quality, while Ontario-built Odyssey #2 is much more problem-plagued (even if most auto reviewers rank it #1).
  • atuzaiatuzai Member Posts: 47
    Just bought 2002 LX yesterday, beautiful dark blue color. $18.7K include tax, tag. I am so happy to become one of CR-V owner.

    Now I have a question about keyless entry. Does anybody know 2002 model already had receiver installed or not? I heard all 2001 CR-V installed receiver and just need programming when got transmiter. The handa-accessories.com shows 2002 model need install receiver ourselves , is that correct?

    Thanks!
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    I still say the weak link would be the human touch, the people who actually build the cars. Having a sound corporate philosophy and high QC standard help, but shoddy workmanship will still result in a shoddy end-product.
  • thorsenthorsen Member Posts: 16
    Well, we finally went ahead and ordered a black EX automatic for the wife, our price was $700 over invoice ($21,740). After having two dealers turn me down at that price a couple weeks ago, I e-mailed all the Honda dealers within 2 hours of me (9 of them) with my price and color choices (preferably black, but silver is ok). I had 2 responses the next day at that price -- one black and one silver so we went with the black. (Plus it was one of the closer dealers.) We got the VIN of our new baby, and are just waiting for it to be delivered from Japan (s/b here in the next couple weeks)!

    I almost went for $500 over invoice as a few others here have done, but having already been turned down at $700, and given my wife really wants the CR-V, I figured I had a better chance at $700, so I still saved $1,000.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Really depends on the automaker's own practices. You can't compare Land Rovers to Hondas evenif they were built in the same country. Honda earned a name in reliability with help from Accord, a car they started making here in the USA in 1982. Does that mean that every car made in America has earned the recognition?
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I've tried that game on Honda's website, and my computer crashes everytime it's done downloading the required files.

    Anyone else have this problem?
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Congratulations, atuzai! We're looking forward to hearing all about your experiences with your new pride and joy!

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  • hcmmikehcmmike Member Posts: 19
    last night, the first heavy rain fell on my new (week old) 2002 CR-V. When I opened the rear door, it sdeemed like the inside edges of the rear window were wet. I have never had a car with a rear door/window like this. Is this normal for the CR-V or does it portend of a less than airtight seal of the window/door assembly?
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    rph2 - When the first gen CR-V lacked an armrest, the aftermarket companies produced one to fit. They *might* do this for the '02 design. However, since only the 5 speed lacks the armrest, I doubt there will be as big a demand for it. The aftermarket might pass on it this time.

    Canadiancl - I agree that poor workmanship will result in a poor product, but I don't think that poor workmanship has ever been a problem. When a plant has a problem with the workforce, you'll see quality issues all over the place. When there is an issue with the design, you'll see consistent problems. Take the first year Odys with their problematic power sliding door as an example. The few problems we see with Hondas are typically design bugs. Every manufacturer has them. The build quality bugs are much less common.

    So far I see reports where Honda's UK plants have received high marks for reliability. I have it on good authority that Honda is using the QC standards. The only reason I see to doubt the quality of UK manufactured Hondas is that different companies with different products have failed and they happened to be British. IMHO, the cars made in the Ontario facility are the ones that I'd suspect.

    Atuzai - Congrats on your new CR-V! H and A Accessories has a pretty good reputation. How quickly would they lose that rep if they sold me a receiver and, when I went to install it, I found that one was already there. I think Honda learned their lesson with the first gen CR-V. The dealers ended up losing quite a few accessory sales because of that design and they probably complained.
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    Can owners of the '02 CR-V comment on the level of road noise, as well ride quality in mostly city driving? Does the road noise get worse at freeway speeds(60+)? Thanks for your feedback.
  • lmastrianalmastriana Member Posts: 7
    Thorsen,
    How did you find the email addresses for all Honda dealers within 2 hrs of you? I put a deposit on an silver EX-CRV about two weeks ago. Yesterday I called the dealer to inquire about status - he tells me that he will have a VIN # in about 2 weeks and then the car should be in 10 days after that. I live in South Florida and think I should check around with some other dealers. He took $500 off the sticker price so sounds like you got a better deal. I assume your price did not include tax, title, and dealer prep? They added $199 for dealer prep - is this a standard charge?

    Thanks!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Mike: have a dealer check the seals on the hatch. I bet the hatch alignment can be adjusted, too.

    varmit: I noticed the new Jazz in that link you provided, and that is one cute mini! I really like the styling, it's easily Honda's most attractive small car.

    I also saw the Stream in Autoweek, but didn't like it's styling as much. They should try to copy the Jazz, but on a bigger scale.

    The Stream could sell here successfully, but it may need a face-lift before then. I say make it look Jazz-y, or more rugged and SUV-ish.

    -juice
  • carguy62carguy62 Member Posts: 545
    The reason the module was included in trim lines that didn't have the keyless as standard was to simplify things during production. Was that way for the Civic as well in the past. I'm suprised they would eliminate it and make the manufacturing process that much more complicated (not THAT much more complicated but you get the idea hopefully) just to give the aftermarket sellers a bit more to make money on.
  • eric102eric102 Member Posts: 122
    lmastriana - Dealer prep is already included in the invoice price of the vehicle. If a dealer is charging you an additional amount for prep, its just another way for him to make more profit. The same goes for document or ad fees. The best way to compare prices between dealers is to get "out the door" quotes. That way they can't tack on any extra fees or prep charges after you are sitting in the finance office, if they do, just walk out the door. I was talking to a Honda dealer recently and he said he expected CRV's could be going out the door for a couple hundred over invoice by the end of the year, this is in the Seattle area.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Juice - And here I was thinking that you'd comment on the HR-V rally article. :-)

    Carguy62 - You're right. Honda keeps optioning to a minimum to simplify the manufacturing process. My guess is, they though this was worth the effort.
  • rictomrictom Member Posts: 89
    Atuzai: can I ask where you bought your crv from? The price sounds good considering what I've read here and on the various car sites. What options did you get/didn't get? Did you do all the negotiating in person or email or a combo?

    Thanks
  • rictomrictom Member Posts: 89
    All: I am a townhall fan, having learned many important details before purchasing our 2000 Honda Odyssey. Now it's my wife's turn for a car. We've driven a 2001 crv but no 2002 yet. Will do so after the holidays. Her sister in law has a 98 forester which we'll be able to drive over the holidays to get some kind of an idea. I've started the basic research and would like to hear from those who have driven the 2002 crv and the 2002 forester, what they liked and why they chose whichever one they did. What was paid and in what state you live in, please.

    Our needs are for a small suv type to transport our dogs- 2 of them, weighing 75lbs+ each, as well as something a little higher and larger than my wifes 87 civic, that she can drive comfortably. We live in Oregon and bad weather is a consideration, though snow is not. I don't think I can go wrong with either one and it may come down to getting the best deal.
    Yes the Ody has plenty of room for the dogs and all other hauling needs, and we love the v6, but we'd like both vehicles to be a little more interchangeable.

    Thanks in advance
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Make sure you drive both 2002s. The Forester has received lots of incremental improvements over the years, mostly added content. The 2002 CR-V is significantly updated from the 2001. 2003 will bring a new Forester, which you can preview this spring during the auto show season.

    The Forester's back seat splits and folds flat, even with the head rest in place, which is convenient. Liftover is low so dogs should have no problem hopping in.

    The CR-V's seat fold up and forward, leaving a low, flat floor. It too would seem like a good choice for the pups.

    Hondas ought to come down to near invoice soon, but Foresters are already there. No rebates, mind you, but deals at invoice with low finance rates can be had. That translates to about $19k for an L 5 speed up to $24k for a loaded S Premium automatic with leather.

    I'm shopping Odysseys, funny enough, but the short warranty has me a little concerned. Subaru's warranty is longer, as is almost everyone else's.

    I think you'll be happy with either choice. Drive both and pick according to the biggest smile on the driver's face.

    -juice
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    Juice: Speaking of smiling, I almost wrote you the other day to ask your opinion. A dear friend is buying a car. I advised her to get a 2002 CR-V or Forester, noting that they were two terrific cars and she should drive both to make up her mind. She needs a car that will be safe to drive in Minnesota weather with her two 75-pound dogs! Guess I won't have to bother you with a request for your recommendation.
  • schollischolli Member Posts: 10
    I too looked at both the CR-V and the Forester. And I admit, I was biased - I thought for sure I would go for the CR-V. But after driving the Forester, I've decided to buy that instead.

    And I also have 2 large dogs and one of the things that attacted me to the CR-V was the flat floor you can get after folding down the rear seats. But I think folding down the seats in the Forester will work too.

    For me, it wasn't any one thing that made me decide. Looks-wise, I think they're about equal - someone once said the new CR-V is homely from the front and the Forester is homely from the back and I have to kinda agree.

    I think the key is driving both cars and seeing what feels right. I think they're both good cars. There were just a few things in the CR-V that bugged me enough to think twice about getting it. And when I drove the Forester, it just felt right.

    Definitely make sure that you're driving a 2002 version of each car. You want to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

    Price-wise, in Massachusetts, I'm getting quotes of invoice to $100 over invoice for a Forester. Subaru is also offering financing at 2.9%
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    Juice.......I like the Jazz too....in fact, if you could get it here, it would be my ultimate commuter/around town car....looks way cooler than the echo, gets even better mileage (65 mpg hwy, 50mpg city....imperial gallons, that is), plenty of room for four, you can even get a mountain bike in standing up, wheels etc attached) and as it is a competitor for the echo (vitz/yaris) around the world, should be priced like one too.
    Makes way more sense than 26K for an Insight.
    I like the Stream too.....that pic in Autoweek wasn't the greatest....I've seen ones where it looks much better than that.
  • carguy62carguy62 Member Posts: 545
    Adverts in the Chicago area for LX 4WD Auto for 19500 (add ttl and ~$50 doc fee). Not sure if it has the side airbags or not. This is from the same dealer that someone else here got a fantastic deal on an EX from, so I bet they'd go lower. Just thought I'd put it out there.
  • toledo19toledo19 Member Posts: 119
    I can only comment on the 01 models. And, the Forrester is by far the superior product. It is quieter, smoother and handles accurately. The CRV was noisy as hell and a bit unwieldy. No offense, but unless the 02 CRV has changed significantly, I can't imagine why anyone would want one.
  • carguy62carguy62 Member Posts: 545
    It has changed significantly and plenty of people want them. And it is a CR-V.
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    Has quite a few people who like it too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The 2002 CR-V is supposed to be a lot quieter. C&D's measures went from 73dB to 70dB at 70mph. That's about the same as the Forester now, close to best in class quietness.

    But that's only measuring quantity, not the quality of the sound. For that you'll have to visit your dealer for a test drive. :-)

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Well, if noise is his primary concern, I can why he wouldn't like it.

    CR-V vs. Forester? Now more than ever, I'd say go for the CR-V. The Forester's largest advantage over the previous CR-V was it's more powerful engine. That has pretty much been evened up. Noise is no longer a big concern. The new CR-V isn't Lexus-quiet, but it's no louder than your average car. Space-wise, the "02 model competes with the Outback, not the Forester. With 72 cu.ft. and a more regular shape, it should hold as much if not more than the Outback (68 cu.ft?). Plus it's on even footing with most mid-sized SUVs in terms of passenger capacity. I'd still give the Forester the advantage in handling and probably braking, but the CR-V is no slouch. I'd also give the Soob the advantage with AWD, but, since you're not concerned about snow, it shouldn't matter. Ditto what Juice said about price, though. The new CR-V isn't going to leave the lot for free.

    Obviously, we'll need to have a rematch when the Forester's '03 model comes out.
  • driver36driver36 Member Posts: 57
    The CR-V is basically a FD car(99% of the time) and the Forester is 100% AWD, it should settle which car you should get :o)
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_031681.


    Looks like in usual Honda fashion, it will come in a few well equipped trim levels and undercut the Toyota Sequoia. This will be another Odyssey, in terms of demand and dealer price gouging.

  • atthebeachatthebeach Member Posts: 9
    Well I have to thank you guys for all the info that I have gathered since I started reading this board back in August. It has been fun to follow the intro of the new V with all of the commentary and friendly banter. I ordered the green 5spd ex from my cousin dealer in western VA. On intro day he called to tell me mine was built (in Japan) on NOV 5th. 1st question "When does it get here?" Well I got my answer this past Tuesday.:-) He happened to be at a dealer conference in Williamsburg and I got a ride to pick it up that night. He was driving his demo, an 01 SE V... I got a 200 mile ride and I can tell you there is world of difference between the two vehicles. Some of the highlights for the 02 are in no order:

    Great pick-up-have not revved over 4400 rpm YET.

    Smooth and fast shifter (snik-snik)

    Loaded 6 Cds and found all the favorites fiddled with the bass and treble and found a great combo of settings.

    QUIET when I turned off the player.

    It was misting and breezy and the ride felt very solid.

    I'm 6'1-220 and found the perfect seat position. My back was a little tired after the ride to the dealer but it got better on the ride back.

    Set tilt on the moon roof and set the floor heat on low and didn't have to turn the defroster on.

    Ex cloth looks better to me, I test drove an auto LX and it has a different feel.

    Came over Afton mountain on interstate 64 in 5th pulling strong, had to slow to 55 (truck) and got right back to 70 with no downshift-it has a real sweet spot at 3250 rpm that is 70. Can't wait to check out the upper cam setting of the vtec-I have to keep telling myself "break-in period, break-in period".

    Put my two kids in it this morning and the comment was "sweet".

    Now to the things I don't like.

    Maybe I should of gotten that Subie nah!

    I'll let you know about mileage once I fill up. 295 miles so far on the Factory tank of gas reading 1/4 left.

    If you are cross shopping you should drive the 02 V before you buy. Did I mention Honda quality.
    Got to go my wife is wondering what I'm doing on the computer so long.
    Can you see the smile on my face,

    Dave
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