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  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    That's about what my 17' open canoe weighs so yours is pretty typical.

    Think of the Boatloader as a small pipe inside a bigger pipe. You slide the smaller pipe out and rest an end of the boat on it as you horse the boat up on top of the racks. This keeps your gunnels off the paint on the back of the SUV, hopefully.

    I usually drag my canoe to the rear of the minivan when I load mine, and grab it near the bow or stern and lift and roll it up and onto the rear crossbars. Then I slide it forward from the rear of the van. Sometimes it's easier to do that than try to lift it that high with two people.

    Maybe if you flipped the boat over as you load it the wheels will be off the ground?

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  • beercoll1beercoll1 Posts: 88
    My 2003 Sport edition V8 also has the parking lights option.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    Thule makes a similar product called Outrigger 2.
  • atoyot4ratoyot4r Posts: 1
    Ideas as to where the fuel pump wire harness is located on a 1993? I need to disconnect to depressurize. thanks.
  • johnny5johnny5 Posts: 13
    No problem about the groceries :) I used to have a '95 Mitsubishi Diamante and loaded my kayaks (Wilderness Systems 16' tandem Pamlico and a 12' Pungo) using a Wheel Boy and a piece of carpet over the back trunk deck. Once I lifted one end of the kayak onto the trunk, I just slid it all the way up over the carpet and into the saddles in one smooth motion.

    The Highlander is much taller and I don't want to take the chance of scratching the hood, since I don't think you could load over the rear spoiler. To answer your questions:

    Is it just an extension on the load bar? Yes, it fits inside the crossbar and slides out and locks in place.

    Therefore you would have to lift one end of the boat the height of the load bar, or does it somehow dip lower then the load bar? You have to lift one end to the height of the load bar and let it rest there at an angle. It's possible to do this if you lay your kayak next to your car with the end about 2 feet past the position of the crossbar. Then lift it into place.

    Once on the Boatloader I assume you rest it there, or is there something that holds it there? Then move down to the other end of the boat and lift and slide. Is that basically it? Nothing holds it in place, so take care not to let the other end (the end still on the ground) slide out from under you. If that happens, then the propped up end will slide off the boatloader bar and scratch your car.

    My boats are about 85 and 50 lbs. When I go with my son it's easier. When I go out by myself, I use the smaller boat. I'm thinking of a way to load from the front that would keep the car from getting scratched. I'll let you know if I find a better way. If you want, I could email you photos of the sequence involved in loading and unloading. Check out the following links and good luck. Go to Products - Water - Water Accessories and chose boatloader.

    Also, I just checked out the Thule web site and noticed that they have a new product that might be just what you need called the Hullivator.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    there isn't a fuse you can pull to accomplish the same thing? Or what did I miss here?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to the forums here at Edmunds so please forgive me and correct me if I'm posting incorrectly. ;)

    A month ago I bought a SR5 4Runner. We own 2 other 4wheel drives - a 2002 Explorer and a 1997 Jeep Cherokee with 140,000 miles that I just gave to my 16 year old newly driving daughter to drive. Anyway, I've read through a lot of the posts and noticed that my only complaints are basically some of the notorious ones that others have. I can't seem to get comfortable in the driver's seat. When I'm back far enough to give my legs room my arms seem too far away from the steering wheel. Weird that. Next time I'll upgrade just for the telescoping wheel. Also, I'm one of the lucky ones with the steering wheel vibration. Yes, in a 2005.

    Two weeks ago, I drove about 2 hours up into the Pennsylvania mountains. All on the interstate. Being new, the vehicle had about 400 miles on it. The vibration comes on at about 62 mpg and disappears at about 68. I'll tell you, this tends to drive you crazy when driving on the highway for any length of time. It lead me to search out a forum like this to see what other owners had to say and to see if I was losing my mind. I saw today that Toyota FINALLY is recalling some vehicles with suspension problems (scratched ball joint?) and said it affects the steering. The 2004 4Runners will be under the recall but I didn't see anything about 2005. Does anyone know if this recall has anything to do with the cause of the vibration?

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    Kind regards,

  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    No, the recall does not affect the 4th generation 4Runner and the defect does not involve vibration. According to the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press, the recall covers only 2001-2002 4Runners (along with 2001-2004 Tacomas, 2002-2004 Tundras, 2002-2004 Sequoias). The 2003, 2004, and 2005 4Runners are not affected.

    Whatever is causing your vibration is not due to this defect.

    I suggest that you do the following: 1) get your wheels balanced on a Hunter balancing machine, 2) have the wheels and tires checked for out of round, 3) get a 4 wheel alignment.
  • bvanhoffbvanhoff Posts: 1
    I'm a 6'6" guy and I fit pretty well in my wife's 4runner. We purchased the SR5 4x4 in 2003 with a sunroof. It's pretty much the same model that's available now. I mention the sunroof because with the sun-shade for the roof open I fit in fine. With the shade closed I can feel my head touching the ceiling. I'm told that the Sport and Limited models have less headroom (not sure why). I test-drove a limited and didn't note that headroom was a problem. I sit with the seat reclined a bit more than the usual driver, so I'm sure that this gives me a bit more headroom than if you prefer driving closer to the steering wheel. Overall our 4runner has been incredible. We've only had minor problems with the sunroof motor which they promptly replaced.

    good luck
  • jkdjkd Posts: 3
    Has anyone had experience with adding a hypertech chip to 2004 4runner (V8)?
  • nymomnymom Posts: 17
    I have been looking at possibly purchasing the2005 4Runner but have not read very much about the optional third row. Was wondering about the room back there. Is it just enough for children or could an average size adult fit back there. Any opinions on the third row would be appreciated.
  • hartsharts Posts: 2
    If anyone has a 2005 4Runner, please let me know if both the words Passenger and Airbag are illuminated in orange when you turn on your park lights or headlights. Right now only the work Airbag will illuminate. However, I thought both words illuminated when I purchased the vehicle. Please let me know.

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  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    I'd be surprised if you can get a small child back there. Putting an average sized adult back there would seem to me to be cruel and unusual punishment.
  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Hi nymom,

    I looked into that third row seat just last month when I bought my 2005 4Runner. I need extra seats occasionally when I'm hauling my teen's friends around. Basically, it's unusable. :( Maybe it's ok for small children or very small adults, like under 5ft tall and I'm not kidding. It's the head room that's the problem. The thing is, if your kids are small enough to fit back there then they may be required to be in a car seat or booster seat anyway. I'm not sure you can, or would want to, put a car seat in that third row. I think a lot of these 3rd row seat options on new vehicles are after thoughts.
  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Lol, how true! I'm only 5'5" and I couldn't sit without being hunched over.
  • ellemellem Posts: 7
    Well thank you, I think. I came here to get my facts straight. ;)

    I looked at several websites, including Toyota's press releases, and the reason for the recall that is being reported is rather vague. Basically, it says that it is due to a scratched ball joint that can affect the steering, it doesn't specifically say how, or what the signs and symptoms are.

    Anyhoo, you're more or less saying my car came from the factory with out of balance (actually, that's what it does feel like) tires, out of round wheels, and out of alignment? How nice. At less than 500 miles. I can tell the dealer is gonna love me already.

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    Out of round tires are rare, but they do happen, and there is no way Toyota could know that problem existed when they shipped the truck. As for alignment, these vehicles get strapped to a car carrier, and in the case of the 4Runner, strapped to the deck of a ship for a while too. It is fairly common for a vehicle to be delivered out of alignment, I only wish they would check alignment as part of the pre-purchase prep at the dealer.

    The problem with the scratched ball joint is said to cause difficulty in steering, and is not expected to be an immediate problem, but rather one that would cause excessive wear down the line. They have only found six problem trucks as of the press release.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • ellemellem Posts: 7

    Thanks for the info about the car carriers. I haven't talked to the dealer yet, but at least I'll have some good info to start from when I call. It makes sense, too, and shouldn't be a big problem for them to handle in the grand scheme of things.

    As I read through many of the posts in this section I got the impression that a lot of people have this steering vibration problem and aren't getting much success in resolving the problem because the dealers can't seem to pinpoint it. Wonder if they've figured it out by now?

    Again, thanks so much.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787

    No, I'm not saying that your truck came from the factory with out of balance tires, and out of round wheels, and was out of alignment. What I'm saying is that any one of those might cause the problem (though most likely out of balance). If they check the balance of the tires (hopefully with a Hunter machine) they can check out of round at the same time. Alignment is a separate check, but not big deal to do. I'm not saying that I know exactly what the problem is. I don't. I'm suggesting that if I was in your situation, that is what I'd try first.

    I agree with nippononly about the ball joint -- that's an issue that causes wear over time and could cause difficulty steering. Nothing in the description of the problem suggested that it would cause vibration. As your truck only has 500 miles, even if it did have the problem it likely would not have caused symptoms that soon. Furthermore, the recall covers the 2001 and 2002 4Runners -- that's the previous generation of 4Runner which is a completely different truck. If the same problem affected the 2003-2005 4Runner, then I'm sure they would have been recalled as well.

    In summary, your truck doesn't have the ball joint problem. If it did, it likely would not be causing noticeable symptoms this soon. And if it did cause symptoms this soon, it wouldn't cause the symptoms that you are experiencing.

    I understand your frustration with having problems with a brand-new truck. But I think this should be easy to solve.
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Posts: 213
    Ellem: As others here have alluded to, you should have your vehicle's tires "road- force balanced". Click on the following link to learn about road-force balancing: [I previously had a vibration problem with an '02 Explorer (shod with Michelin Cross Terrains) that was solved by road-force balancing. I also had a similar experience with my '03 4Runner Limited, which also has Michelin Cross Terrains. Again, road-force balancing solved the problem.]

    What brand of tire is on your vehicle? Over the past several years, I've spoken with a number of knowledgable automotive technicians who've all said the same thing: When an abnormal driving vibration persists after ruling out just about every other possible cause, replacing the tires with new MICHELIN tires will all too often solve the problem. Indeed, I've repeatedly heard from highly skilled and experienced technicians that in their opinions, Michelin simply makes the best tires, period.

    Hopefully there's a Toyota dealer in your area with a road-force balancer. At any rate, if the problem persists after road-force balancing and any other measures taken so far, ask your dealer to give you a new set of tires, preferably Michelins. (And, have the new tires road-force balanced from the outset.) If new tires solve the problem, you'll then have grounds to insist that either your vehicle warranty or your existing tire warranty should absorb the cost of the new tires. With only 500 miles on the existing tires, a reputable dealer should be willing to help you out with new tires if that's what it comes down to.
  • erober14erober14 Posts: 1
    Do you know how to remove the wood trim in a 99 4runner?
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  • jefferjeffer Posts: 31
    johnny5 - thx for your most excellent and meticulous answers. I now think I have a clear picture of what it takes to get a kayak on top of an SUV. Whoa, just checked out the Hullivator. Man that looks like just the thing. I was giving the Boatloader some thought but also I've was designing some sort of Rube Goldberg thing in my mind, but this Hullivator will definitely obivate the need for that.
    Hey my x-gfriend has a Pungo - the Pungo rocks. But I do prefer my Perception Eclipse.

    (my apologies to others in the forum if this discussion was a little off topic but itsn't this what we buy these vehicles for. The endless pursuit of fun and adventure.)

    Anyway, sad to say, I was honing in on the Highlander and just got back from a test drive. Unfortunately I ran into a couple deal breaking issues. Mainly the seat did not fit my body well at all. It was a little too short, I'm 5'11". But the worst thing is that my left leg hit the door in such a way that my petella (knee cap) was being pushed over - most annoying. And so I have to scratch the HL off the list. But that did prompt me to finally test drive the 4Runner. I was going to scratch the 4R off the list due to recent surge in gas prices and also the extra height of the vehicle, but since I was at the dealer I figured why not take a spin. I was very please with the seat comfort, ride, and handling. Now I'm thinking - what's a few less mpg's if you are comfortable and enjoying the ride. And with the new knowledge of the Hullivator - this is starting to look like the way to go.

    I think it would be cool to have a Hullivator just to be able to say - I've got a hullivator - or want to check out my hullivator?? Well, maybe not. I remember a ride at 6 Flags that was called the Hellivator. That was scary. You get strapped in the seat and pulled up about 150' or so. Then they just drop you. I almost chickened out in line the first time. But since then I've gone back for more.

    So the dealer was going to take 4K off MSRP on the 4Runner. MSRP was $38,961 for a Limited (I have to admit I didn't get all the details on what options it had). So the price to me would be $34,961 and they said they could give 3.9% financing. I'll have to search the board to see what others are paying or if anyone would care to comment on that deal please let me know what you think.

    Thanks again,
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    But I do prefer my Perception Eclipse.

    A guide friend of mine just bought six of those.

    Check out the Toyota 4Runner: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion for more recent deals too.

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  • whatsachevywhatsachevy Posts: 136
    We now have about 3,000 miles on our '05 SR5. This is a replacement vehicle for an '03 Ford Explorer V-8. Based upon my experiences with Toyota so far, I won't be looking at Fords again. My wife is the primary driver. MPG so far has been in the 17.5 - 18.0 range (compared with 15 in the Explorer). We recently pulled our 3,000 pound boat to the lake and back (400 miles roundtrip) and averaged 15.5 MPG (better than the Explorer's mileage empty) at 70 mph in 4th gear. It seemed to pull better than the Explorer as well (better acceleration and overall vehicle control). We have had no problems with this vehicle so far (Explorer was in the shop 7 times in 15,000 miles). We both like the 4Runner better than the Explorer.
  • jefferjeffer Posts: 31
    I posted this over in the Prices Paid... forum but thought I was posting it here. So I'm reposting it here as this group seems a little more responsive to these types of questions. I'll have to pay more attention which forum I'm on next time.

    Anyway, anyone know if it is possible to get power seats for an SR5 or Sport model. After some long soul searching, and calculating the loan payments, I have come to the conclusion that I can't afford to spend $35K on a vehicle. This is what a Limited would cost. I've poured over the specs and have figured out that a Sport model has just about everything I need for about 5K less. This is still a little high but I think I could swing it. The only feature that is missing that I really really want would be power seats. I don't care if they are leather or not.
    Is there any possibility of getting power seats in an SR5 or Sport model? If so what would approx. cost be?

  • edrickedrick Posts: 1
    I have a 99 4Runner and have never seen that problem, but I used to have a chevy blazer that had that problem when I had a wind deflector on the hood. If you dont have a wind deflector the dealership should be able to help you adjust the latch mechanism. My dealership has bent over backwards to help me since I bought my truck.

  • donm6donm6 Posts: 1
    Last november I purchased a 2000 Toyota 4runner, it has been great!

    However, I can find no information about the Security System. I'd like to know how it works.

    The red light on the dash blinks at times, What does this mean? What are the features of the system and how do I use it?.

    Thanks for any help.
  • I have exactly the same problem. Spraying electrical cleaner in the key hole followed by wd40 worked for a wile. Then just would not start."I hear a single click and nothing more".
    I am in the process if finding out what happened.
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