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2009 Kia Optima



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    The other thing you probably won't get on a 2007 Optima is ABS, ESC, and traction control, which are extremely rare on LXes but not that common on EXes either, from what I've found. If you find a low-miles 2007 with those options for a good price, grab it because it is a rare find. The 2009s on the other hand have those features standard. IMO that is a big deal for a car purchased for a child, but to each his own.
  • Guys, it's the base LX, with the inline 4, which we wanted her to have anyways, because of the economy and the fact the 6 is not much more powerful.

    Backy, you are right. It does not have ESC or traction control, but I need to double check and see if it has ABS.

    That's a great point. I really want her to have ESC, especially with her first car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Unfortunately, with the 2006.5-2008 Optima, ABS comes only in the options package that has ESC. And on the LX, you have to get the automatic plus the Appearance package to get the ABS/ESC package, so it was about a $20k MSRP car. That may be one reason dealers didn't order many of those with ABS/ESC.

    So if the car you're looking at doesn't have ESC, it doesn't have ABS either.

    Another option in this class of car that does have all those safety features is of course the 2006+ Sonata. You might have to pay a little more for one of those, but I've seen some low-miles 2007-8 Sonatas recently, nicely equipped (power seat, moonroof) with the I4 for under $12k.
  • Thanks Backy. I didn't know that ABS was only available with ESC.

    I can do without the traction control, but ESC and ABS are a deal breaker the more my wife and I think about it.

    We'll have to find something with those features, or maybe consider buying a new car.

  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    To get the subject back on the 09's--

    HyunKia more than any other company has absolutely no ability to adjust for supply and demand. They pretty well ramp up production as high as they can get it, even if no one buys the product. As a result you will probably find big discounts on 09 in a month or two.
  • Looking at any dealer's lot,regardless of the brand,you will see a lot of excess cars.Nobody seems to adjust to supply and demand.I submit that this is good for the consumer,or all the cars would be selling at MSRP.
  • ViperggVipergg Posts: 24
    How are Kia's in general for reliabilty ? I like the looks of the 09 Optima . Sat in one at the auto show and I thought it was as good inside and out as any midsize car . Also is it true you have to burn about $400 to get the timing belt change at 60000 miles . that seems like an awfully short interval.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Kias have improved a lot in reliability over the past few years. One data point on the Optima is that Consumer Reports has the 2009 Optima as "Much better than average" (its top mark) in predicted reliability, based on the 2006.5-8 Optimas. It rates the 2006.5 as "above average" and 2007 as "much better than average". It didn't report on the 2008 model in its April auto issue because of insufficient sample size from their subscriber survey.

    The I4 does not use a timing belt, but a chain. It has no specified replacement interval. The V6 does use a timing belt however. But consider that the difference in hp between the I4 and V6 is pretty small, just 19, so with the extra maintenance and fuel costs of the V6, plus extra money up front, you might want to go with the I4.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    Hi Backy,
    Seems like you "stole" all of my comments,lol...
    I think that under the skin the 2009 is pretty much the same car as my 2006.5.It has been very reliable so far.Other than having a real trip computer.Why didn't they have that MPG indicator in the earlier models?I have put on over 25K miles and it has been virtually trouble free.Once we got the issue with the passenger side air bag light fixed,it has been great.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    The big change "under the skin" for 2009 is the upgraded I4 with 175 (vs. 162 hp), and I think the old V6 got a little more power also. I don't understand why Kia still bothers with a V6 that is far outclassed by every other mid-sized sedan. Why not just use the 3.3L from the Sonata? :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Oops, I forgot what might be an even bigger change "under the skin" for 2009: standard ABS, traction control, and ESC ! Those were very hard to find on the Optima before, so that is a welcome addition.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,076
    The new 09 Optima has a USB/Aux port. Unfortunately you can't use just the iPod sync cable since that won't work right. In order to solve this you must buy a special iPod cable for $30. The Kia dealer should have it but the Hyundai version works just fine. 08620-2L000 is the part for the Hyundai cable and it's about $30. You can get the cables at your dealers parts department. They should be able to get it for you. You get full iPod integration with this cable.
  • gy563gy563 Posts: 44
    Based on my understanding and from what I heard, Hyundai-KIA are trying to make distinctions between Sonata and Optima. KIA wants (or they intend) to have bigger engine market customers to go with Hyundai and buy 3.3 V6 Sonatas thus giving Hyundais more upscale look and feel than the KIAs.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I own a 2006.5 Optima, and it's been virtually trouble free.I just crossed 26,000 miles recently and I love the car.I realize the 2009 looks totally different,but I believe under the skin it's pretty much the same car.
    The timing belt is an issue only with the 2.7 liter V6 engine.The I4 has a timing chain.I have the 4 cylinder model and it has plenty enough pep for me.I get about 25MPG in mixed driving,although it isn't too hot in the city,the highway real world is at least as good as the EPA rating.I have on one occasion exceeded 40MPG.
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  • 470470 Posts: 1
    I just Bought the 2009 a few days ago. There are a few changs. Stryling is right there now with any other midsize car. Also they have made the Traction control standard (ESC) ABS Standard and Sirus sadalite radio and sport shift standerd on all optima's in any trim package. I owned a 2002 and liked it untill I drove it to 80,000 on the original timing belt and took out the head. I sold it in 2006 and made a big mistake and got a windstar. After a tranny, starter and electrical problems I traded it in on this 2009 Kia Optima when I found out that they replaced realy the only major problem with there cars which was the timing belt and made some excellent changes in styling. The interior is suprisingly close to the 2002 in seating ( they have had good leg room since than I can fit in the back seat at 6'4) front in back but the dash is completly diffrent with a two tone Black and Beige. One last thing They do not come standard in any trim package with tinted windows, I would suggest that you make them through it in. I got 7,000 in rebates and only paid $12,500.00. Everyone is hungery for sales, so work your dealer over and they will bend over backwards All in all I am pleased to have bought a brand new car booked a 21,000.00 for 12,696.00.
  • mcmaxmcmax Posts: 14
    HI. I have driven the LX listed at $19,720. The salesman says he can only give me $7000 off ($2500 Kia cash, $1000 comp bonus for owning a Camry and $3500 cash for clunkers). I know they can do better - your deal proves it. Would you mind breaking down the price for me? Not sure what your sales tax is - mine is 7%. For that extra 1K+, did you get an SX or V6 or roof? Thanks!
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    What are you trading in that you're getting only $3500?
  • mcmaxmcmax Posts: 14
    Caravan 3.3 engine - just qualifies with 18 mpg average. I'll need 28 mpg to get the full $4500, not the case with the Optima.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    Have you tried the new KIA compact,I forget it's name.It probably averages 28 or better.Unfortunately since it's a new model,they probably aren't being discounted much.
  • laflairlaflair Posts: 7
    Hi, I have been lurking on the Hyundai and Optima threads for some time, listening to the excellent advice of various members including Backy, Csandste, Ray_h71 and many others. I currently have an 04' Sonata with 84 K miles and wondering if it's soon time to get an 09' or 2010 Optima (I don't like the new Sonata as much, but I love the Genesis). I suspect I will soon be in need of a lot of costly preventative maintenance (tires, brakes and many here say sensors start going etc..). So I guess my question is, do I wait until year end for some Optima deals (as Backy expects) or do I try to get another year or two out of this car? Thanks in advance for all your advice.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I saw a commercial from KIA yesterday where they are offering cash back as big as $9000 for your trade inn,depending on the model KIA you purchase.Worth a look at your local KIA dealer.
  • laflairlaflair Posts: 7
    Thanks mickeyrom, I meant to mention you in the list of helpful people. I think I will take a ride over to a Long Island KIA dealership and see what they have to offer. My wife has on 05' Tucson that has been rock solid (55K). Another idea is to get a car now that would replace her Tucson in 2-3 years. I would drive this new car until her Tucson was retired, allowing me to get another new car in a few years ( I am sure she would love the idea of me doing this :blush: )
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    No problem man...I don't need credit.Good luck on your car shopping.For me it's always been an exciting time.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    I think you might find the best deal near year-end or even January as the 2009s are being closed out, but as mickeyrom suggested you might find a dealer with a great deal now. For some reason my local dealers are not offering as good a deal now on Optimas as they were earlier in the year. Aftereffect of the C4C perhaps? The other thing is an all-new Optima is expected for the 2011 MY, and spy photos show it will be a bigger car. So if you like the size of the current Optima, you will probably see great deals on the 2010s early next year (depending on when the 2011s come out). You might want to trade before 90k because that is a fairly expensive service. If you are the original owner of the Sonata, then at least you don't need to worry about powertrain repairs for awhile (up to 100k).
  • laflairlaflair Posts: 7
    I went to two dealerships today. One had many a dozen Optimas.I walked around the lot and into the showroom without being approached once! This is over a 30-40 minute period so I simply left. The sign in front "Under new Management" may need some clarification. The second dealership was quite helpful but had only 1 Optima, a SX 4 cylinder in red, which is not my ideal color. They wanted like 20 K for the car, which included the Premium Package. Several people on the message boards have mentioned an "Appearance Package". but I did not see it anywhere and the salesman said he was unfamiliar with this package on the 09' models. He told me to give him a day or 2 as several Optimas were coming in. I am not sure if Kia re-instates the 2000 rebate after today ( the 31st) but I will take my chances with that. He told me they sold 81 cars in August during the cash for clunkers. There were tons of Fortes in stock but I can't see buying one of them without some discounts and they cost around the price of the Optima.
  • Hi everyone on the Optima forum,

    I've been following this forum for a while as I am planning to buy an Optima in the near future. At first I was looking at a used 08 4-cyl (either LX or EX)-but due to both the total non-existance of any with the ABS/ESC pkg for sale here in Southeastern PA, plus the IRS sales tax credit for new cars in 09, I am now looking at a 09 LX 4-cyl with the convenience package.

    There are a few 09s coming off rentals with 7k-12k miles showing up in my area in the $15k range. That seems on the high side to me. I don't think that the shorter warranty period & no sales tax credit (6% here in PA) would be worth the difference from new at that price range-esp. with the recent Kia $2K rebate which has now expired.

    Given the above, would it be best for me to wait a while for a better deal on a new 09? I don't know if Kia will continue the rebate or not. However, I do want to take advantage of the IRS sales tax credit if I buy new. (I now drive a 03 Toyota Matrix with 135k miles, which I am planning to trade in for the Optima. The Matrix is basically sound but I've outgrown it given my driving habits. I also have a 95 Ford Escort with 247k(!) miles which would qualify me for a Kia Competitive Bonus as well.)

    I plan to keep the Optima to at least 150k miles. Finally, I would rather try to complete any purchase before winter hits. Any thoughts welcome! Michael B.
  • Have you considered a 2007 OR 2008 MODEL? they are probably just as good, and if you get an EX,you get more stuff than you would on a 2009 EX(such as the 6 CD changer standard)With the savings you could get a nice extended warranty.I realize finding the ESC and ABS is problematic,but they are out there if you look.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    As the poster noted, 07s and 08s with ABS/ESC are almost non-existent. When I was looking for an Optima last year I found only two within 500 miles of me, over a span of about 6 months--a new EX that was sold quickly, in Chicago, and a used 07 EX that also sold before I could get to it. The 09s also have many improvements, including a more powerful but fuel efficient I4 in addition to the standard ABS/ESC. And what I really wanted was an LX.

    This question has come up recently in the main Optima discussion. My advice is, if you can wait to year's end, do it. That is when the 09s will be closed out (Kia tends to chang-over late in the year) and dealers are driving to pump up their annual sales totals. Or if you like the current design, wait until next year when the redesigned 2011 Optima will be introduced, and there should be great deals on the remaining 2010s.

    Try this.I bet you will find one.This is the best finder I haver ever seen.
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