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Here is another idea: why not find out the MINIMUM ground clearance on the new Prado?? That should clear up some confusion.
Cargo space...if the new 4Runner's front AND rear seats were moved back (to improve legroom), wouldn't that decrease cargo space (regardless of rear seat being up or down)??? Could that explain the difference in cargo space between 3rd and 4th gen??
MINIMUM ground clearance = 8.9 (2wd), 9.1 (4wd)
Approach/departure/breakover angles = 32/24/22 (4wd)
Legroom = 41.7 (f) and 34.7 (r) (is it more than 3rd gen??)
Height = 69.1 (2wd!)
68.9 (4wd w/o air suspension)
68.5 (4wd with air suspension)
Length = 189
Width = 73.8
Turning diameter = 36.7
Curb weight = 4420 lbs (Limited 4x4)
Engine V6 = 245 HP at 5200
283 Torque at 3800
Premium fuel is recommended.
Fuel economy = 15/19 (V8 4wd)
17/20 (V6 4wd)
TB, i guess this basically is everything you asked!
I must say that the new 4runner looks REALLY good! Excellent! Still very capable!
For more information (standard features, optional stuffs, and complete specs): (go to last few posts)
http://www.gocrvclub.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=5850#post5850
Now, where did i put my shoes?
4Runner, GX470), bur I forgot which one...when I went back to check for any responses, I could
not locate my original post...must be getting old or I might have been deleted...or maybe I forgot
how to read my own post...anyway, if y’all would be so kind as to answer this (for either the first
or second time) I would appreciate it, and please forgive my stupidity and transgressions of brain
matter...
Comparing the 2003 GX470, 4Runner, Land Cruiser and Sequoia, what are the pluses and
minuses of each, or to be specific, what are the REAL differences among them???...the engines
are similar (V8s), I believe they are full size SUVs, the Land Cruiser may be the worst of both
worlds: the price of the Lexus but without all the “courtesies and first class customer service”
that Lexus is known to provide, etc.
Can those in the know highlight the differing factors among them, the similar factors among
them, which one they would buy (or avoid) and reasons why...and, again, I thank you for your
feedback, humoring an incompetent poster like myself.
I'd ask Cliffy to respond, but he has many vehicles to finance and may not have the time to give me the detailed answer I might receive (LOL)
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1. The 4Runner. It is a mid-sized SUV with the off-roader in mind. It is strong, built with a ladder frame and is very suitable for towing (although I am not happy with a 5000# capacity on the new V8). It can be had fairly plain to very luxurious. Being smaller than the others, it is easy to drive in town and this also makes it better on narrow trails.
2. The Cruiser. It is the ultimate expression of luxury with off-road capabilities. There are more luxurious and better off roaders (the Hummer H1) but nothing with both. Due to its short wheelbase, it is better off road than the Sequoia. There is something else intangible that makes it what it is. I really can't describe it but when you drive it, you will feel it. Its just awesome. It is less expensive than the LX and now only lacks a wood finish, height adjustable suspension and memory seating. The buying experience is not Lexus but neither is the price.
3. Sequoia. This is the SUV for soccer dads who also want to be able to tow and off-road. It is pretty long for extreme off roading but it will handle all but the most difficult trails well. While the Limited is VERY loaded with luxury features (including some that are still unavailable on the LC), it is missing that intangible feel I spoke of on the LC. It is a big beast.
That's a summary. I would hope that brochures and visiting a dealer would answer more of the details.
Ah, but cliffy has come up with the most logical theory, that it could have a longer hood, therefore pushing everything back, in addition to the longer body.
What you said was exactly my point about the Prado, that it's a rugged SUV over-seas, so maybe they just kept similar components on the GX as a cost-savings device. But then why spend the extra on the 4Runner to "dummy" some things down from off-road standards? That is a good question. It is a puzzle, unless, as you, myself, and others surmise, they're making this even more appealing to "soccer moms." Which seems to go against all logic; that the 4Runner would have some less rugged features than the more luxurious Lexus GX. It's very strange, and almost like Toyota couldn't make up their mind and got confused about their target markets.
And speaking of confused...what the heck was that guy talking about in the AutoWeek interview, when he said the 4Runner is geared toward younger couples/buyers?! That's true to an extent, but a $40K Limited? Younger buyers?! Come on! This guy proved to me that Toyota has their heads up their patooties about marketing. They could have easily put the REMOVABLE 3rd row seats in as an option or standard on the Limited. Why don't they just say that they don't want to take too many sales away from the Lexus, and be done with it? That is the only logical reason. I don't believe the bull about their "off-road customers" not wanting the "added weight," when they could be an option, and REMOVABLE!
Anyway, I still love this new truck! =o)
Limited is what I expected, but $27,000 for a 2WD SR5 is more than I expected.
If anyone would like it let me know. It's a pretty big file at 35mb, but if your on a fast connection it won't take that long to download.
1. DIAL 4wd switch
2. PEDAL parking brake
3. Slight decrease in ground clearance
4. Approach/departure/breakover angle is only OK, especially breakover angle
5. Rear legroom is less i think!
6. THICKER anti-roll bars may mean less wheel travel/articulation!
7. Less cargo room (debatable right now)
8. 17" tires are slightly undesirable in off-roading (although i do like them!)
9. V6 is all-aluminum (not a big deal)
10. V6 has only a 4-speed auto
11. Price is still up in the air...may get pricey with options!
12. Exterior design is OK
Well, that is all i can say for now...otherwise, the new 4Runner looks like a winner. Still off-road capable.
I am still confused about ground clearance...how can the GX and 4Runner have different numbers?? What could Toyota have done to change it?? A possible (but unlikely) is that the 4Runner has a smaller rear axle (thus, the pumpkin is smaller), thus increasing the clearance. Or that the GX470 has more stuff hanging down on it's underbody??
The other weird thing is the difference between the GX and 4Runner regarding parking brake and 4wd transfer case.
dean
Bob
Email me at JKulp42757@aol.com and I ll send it over to you.
I agree, they do kinda look alike, at least from the front. I hate to say it, but the Montero looks better, in my opinion.
Check it out http://www.otcbbprofiles.com/images/runnermontero.jpg
32/24/22 for approach/departure/breakover angles doesn't sound too good to me. I wish I could remember the exact numbers for the 3rd gen - are these better or worse?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Departure = 28
Breakover = unknown
So the new Runner is seriously sucking in that department, huh?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The Toyota Land Cruiser has 32/24 also; however, for a wheelbase of 112, it has a very good breakover of 24 degrees.
Mack
Why oh why, couldn't they have just put a more powerful engine in the 3rd gen, maybe changed the look of the nose a little, and left everything lese the same?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon: 45/34/25.8
2003 Nissan Pathfinder: 33/28/NA
2003 Nissan Xterra: 33/28.6/NA
2002 Mitsubishi Montero: 39/18/NA
2002 Mitsubishi Montero Sport: 31/22/NA
2002 Land Rover Discovery II: 31/21/25 (with self-leveling: 31/25/25)
2003 Range Rover: 32/29/28 (in HIGH mode)
2003 Lexus GX470: 30/29/NA (in HIGH mode)
2003 Lexus LX470: 32/26/24 (in HIGH mode)
2003 Toyota Land Cruiser: 31/24/24 (correction from previous of 32/24/24)
2002 Toyota Sequoia: 28/20/NA
2003 4Runner: 32/24/22
2002 4Runner: 35/28/NA
2003 Acura MDX: 28/21/21
2002 Toyota Highlander: 28/22/NA
What do you think?
I really don't think these changes are that significant, or detrimental, as intmed99 points out. I mean, if you got your protractor out and looked at the slight differences in those angles, they make it laughable that there would be that much concern about it.
Also, as intmed99 points out, I am a little concerned about the travel with bigger anti-roll bars, but the pictures seem to show excellent travel with the new X-REAS suspension. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Other than the obvious Toyota siblings, the only other SUV the new design reminds me of is the Trailblazer, just in the wheel wells and the rear. Now, I actually like elements of the Trailblazer's design, so an amalgamation of the 3rd gen with the Trailblazer is fine by me. But I think they took it further than that, and have created a very contemporary and exciting design that I won't get tired of for a long time. I'm still not tired of the 3rd gen, but I'm more excited about this one.
My dealer, usually very reliable, has been pushing back the test drive date for a while now (19,23,25 and now oct 3rd). I feel that they are only trying to keep me on the hook...
They are better to release it soon or else I will go and buy the plastic-less Pathfinder that I consider as the next best thing to the current 4Runner.
Cheers
Pat
Mackabee
Bob
http://www.wieck.com/public/index.html
Since my earlier quesiton regarding the rough idling and power loss in my 94 4runner, I have had the chance to put in 2 tankfuls of gas with the Chevron Techron Fuel System Cleaner. I never noticed before, but when the level of my tank goes below 1/3 full, the rough idling and power loss become very severe. With the tank full, I have pretty good pick up and decent power. My guess is a fuel pump going bad.
Could be bad fuel, water in fuel. Empty tank and reload.
Good luck,
Jack
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