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And I'm not against the city/state/county making money on speeders. If you want to speed and add risk and danger to your life, you may pay $157 for the privilege, each time.
LOL It took the 5th and remained silent. The meter maid on the other hand agreed that when I put another quarter in and the meter still read zero, that it might be broken and voided the ticket.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Camera ticket me all you want, I'll simply lie my way out of it...lying to liars isn't a sin, right? :P
Exactly. So why did you bring it up?
I'm not condoning or recommending 40 mph speed limits.
I'm recommending that people keep their speed at least 10 mph or less over the speed limit if they want to avoid a Photo radar ticket.
If you want to drive 11 mph or more over the limit, then prepare for the financial consequences.
An even easier task than paying the bill is simply getting a license plate cover or claiming someone else was driving...
Um, I would hope that EVERYONE HERE is concerned about reducing casualties and injuries and deaths and property damage !!!!
I'm sure everyone here does, you can get off your high horse now. Everyone here except you is also aware that driver inattention is far more important as a factor in causing accidents than speeding, this was the conclusion of a recent NHTSA Report.
You may think there are a lot of speed-crazed drivers in Arizona but I don't think so. You ought to try driving from Boston to New Hampshire on I-93 North, no matter how fast you're going someone will pass you within the next five minutes. They drive too fast, Zonians do not. I am seldom passed by anyone in AZ while traveling within 5 mph of the limit, almost never if I push it to 8-10 over,
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
"Speed kills" accomplishes nothing.
's How I Roll.
But it does. And it makes a bad wreck worse.
If people want to pay the piper, then they can speed on, brother.
Until they injure or kill someone I love ; at that point, their azz becomes mine.
Some claim speed kills...but reality doesn't line up with that. Of course, wannabe authoritarians don't live in reality.
Just pointing out that unnecessary speeding kills young people and old people and average people and is a ridiculous and stupid cause of death.
Anyone who harms anyone else during an act of stupidity SHOULD be ready to face the family of the injured and take society's punishment. And if the courts don't deal out proper justice, then..................?
Speed does kill. The physics related to increased vehicle speed makes for more severe human tissue damage, and that directly causes death.
It's just common sense. Saying speed does not kill is just a cop-out from people who want to speed.
You don't believe me? Take a friend and the two of you get in an old car each without a seatbelt or airbag and drive into the same wall. You drive your car 60 mph and let your friend drive his car 20 mph into the wall.
See who comes out in better shape.
Speed doesn't kill....Puh-Leeze........
Saying speed kills is a simple cop out by those who can't handle driving that requires driver inputs.
The courts never dish out proper justice. Deal with it, you have no choice and no recourse. It's the American way.
If you want to drive at the same speed as a Model T driver, just keep your backwards turtle in the right lane, where you belong.
I'll believe that COMPLETELY after NASCAR has their first season with ZERO wrecks.
After all, they are PROS who are obviously driving attentively and know how to handle speeds. Agreed?
No matter how "good" drivers become and/or already are, accidents at 75 MPH are more severe and deadly (as a general rule) than the same accident at 55 MPH.
I drive on "speed-camera-guarded" freeways here in the Phoenix area, and myself and others have noticed how much nicer it is to drive when you are not getting passed by QUITE as many jerks going 85 in the 65 zone.
This is one of the famous "Autobahn" wreck pictures. You think this would have happened at 55 mph?
I hope you got my point, though.
If you are all about reducing the severity of accidents, then you have no problem supporting speeds where casualties would almost vanish, right? Why stop with a reduction, if safety is the true reason for the embrace of blind authoritarian idiocy that exists in reality to generate money for the least accountable segments of society? 40 or even 35 or 30 would be fine to you, right?
Such crashes as the cheap emotional image you post happen no matter the road or the speed limit.
People driving AT or BARELY ABOVE the speed limit are an AGITATION to people who want to OBLITERATE the speed limit.
That's just idiotic. You should never get "mad" at someone for wanting to obey the speed limit laws, make their life safer, and save some fuel.
But, I just love it when I'm in the middle lane going about 7mph over the limit, the lanes around me are empty, yet I have someone tailgating me.
Not keeping chilled out is the weak man's imitation of strength.
Vehicular cholesterol in the form of self-righteous hybrids and squishy slow old land yachts piloted by wannabe authoritarians isn't exactly intimidating, either
I will say, tailgating when there is easy room to pass is every bit as bad as LLCing.
What is LLCing?
I do agree that excessive speeding does cause accidents but simply having the police do their jobs resolves this. All you have to do is have a few officers drive on the highway during rush hour. It's amazing how people remember to use their turn signal; move out of the left lane; slow down, etc.
Except that raising the speed limit has not resulted in more fatalities and accidents, and there is no proof that drivers traveling at 75 mph are involved in more accidents, or are more deadly, than drivers who travel at 55 mph.
larsb: This is one of the famous "Autobahn" wreck pictures. You think this would have happened at 55 mph?
A red herring argument. Most fatalities occur at speeds below 45 mph, and limited access highways, where speeds are the highest, are among our safest roads.
Ask a first responder if he would rather assist in a 55 MPH wreck or a 75 MPH wreck.
There's your "proof" right there.
It's not rocket science - it's common sense.
European Road Safety Observatory
Doing the same speed on the same road in California (speed limit 70) I was passed by as many as I passed (which were mostly trucks) and I see a lot more aggressive driving. If you see a pickup w Cali plates it's likely to be driven aggressively (weaving, tailgating, passing on right, the kind of driving that's a lot more dangerous than going a few miles over the limit).)
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Because there is no way to know that.
You know why? Because almost all "Arizonians" are not FROM Arizona. Most are from other places.
So there is no way to stereotype drivers from this state. It's just a hodgepodge of people who learned to drive in other states, with a sprinkling of maybe 30% of people who were born and raised here.
And yes, as a rule, California highway drivers are excessive speed demons. True dat.
Drive on the eastern part of Long Island one time and you'll think California drivers are tame. :mad:
Your argument seems to be one of those.
Anyway, of course I do not think all roads should have 45 MPH or less speed limits.
I just think that people ought to DRIVE THE POSTED LIMITS and not complain if they get caught disobeying the law.
How is it that we raise our kids to "obey the law and respect the police" and yet we (not me but many people ) gladly and happily speed our tails off every chance we get?
Is that not the height of hypocrisy?
My kids are 9 and 12 right now, and I point out to them all the time how idiots speed around me and then PRESTO, 20 seconds later we both end up at the same stop light. Did a lot of good to speed, huh buddy?
Photo radars are put into place for generating revenue under the disguise of safety. If there are problem areas, put police officers there. Sure they can't catch everyone but I guarantee that after a couple of weeks of seeing people pulled over, they'll get the message.
Speeding is speeding, and whether or not you have to waste an officer's time by forcing him to forego real crime fighting to spend 15 minutes writing you a ticket should be an issue too.
My opinion? Cars ought to have GPS systems which know the speed limits and when you drive they track your speed and when you go 11 MPH over the limit, the satellite issues you a speed limit and it's mailed to you.
THAT would:
A. Free our police to do POLICE WORK instead of babysitting speeders.
B. Avoid court time and associated costs by providing a fool-proof system.
C. Get everyone to understand that you are NEVER EVER going to get away with speeding, so just STOP DOING IT !!!
And I'll bet if you ask a first responder whether he would prefer to respond to a 55 mph wreck or 25 mph wreck, he would prefer the latter.
So your example doesn't prove anything.
It doesn't even support that one should drive the speed limit. Note this sentence:
Some authors have noted that the increased risk from driving at speeds 10-20% above the average for the road is similar to the increased risk from driving at the drink drive limits in the two countries to which the references relate (i.e. a BAC of 0.05 and 0.08). (emphasis added).
The speed "average for the road" is not necessarily the speed limit. It is usually higher, especially on limited access highways. So this study does not prove that driving above the speed limit increases danger.
It also contains these sentences that poke a major hole in your claims:
If on a particular road, the speed variance is high, this will result in less predictability, more encounters, more overtaking manoeuvres, etc. (emphasis added) Therefore, when speed differences increase, the accident risk increases as well. Hence, a countermeasure that results in lower average speed, but in larger speed differences may not have the expected positive effect on road safety. But no reliable quantified relationship has been established for this linkage.
As has been shown repeatedly on this site, lowering speed limits only increases speed variance between the few who obey, and the majority who continue to drive at the speeds at which they feel comfortable. Given that photo radar will only slow people down in the vicinity of the cameras, it stands to reason that even MORE safety problems will be created by the majority of people braking to slow down for the cameras, and then speeding up once they are out of the camera's range.
Unless we are going to have law enforcement personnel regularly change the location of cameras, which is certainly a wise use of our highly paid police forces during difficult economic times. :P
I drove in Arizona this summer - most of the time at 80-85 mph on the rural interstate highways. And I was passed by a fair number of vehicles. It was perfectly safe. If you can't drive at those speeds, or get needlessly worked up about those who do, you should consider staying home, or moving to the city, where you can rely on mass transit.
If you say, "And I'll bet if you ask a first responder whether he would prefer to respond to a 55 mph wreck or 25 mph wreck, he would prefer the latter."
Then right there you are admitting that he would rather attend a slower-crash wreck.
So your example proves mine it true. Thanks !!!!
Red herring is a false argument designed to confuse or distract from the real issue. Comes from an old practice of dragging a fish (a literal red herring) across a trail to confuse hunting dogs.
As a saying it's right up there with "let them eat cake".
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Along that line of thinking why don't we have the police just drag speeders out of their cars and shoot them on the spot. That would also get everyone to understand that they are NEVER EVER going to get away with speeding. It would cut down on repeat offenders too.
China did that with drug dealers in the good old days and it worked pretty well. Of course some of those bleeding hearts like the ACLU might complain in this country.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
You respond with a red herring right after schooling me about what they are !!
Thanks !!!
I have declared a personal war on speeding and speeders. But with no authority to do anything about it in any way, all I can do is vent on these boards.
Go Photo Radar !!!
LMAO. My office mates are trying to figure out why i am laughing so hard. Love the suggestion.
Seriously though, I do agree that speed kills. Obviously a collision at higher speeds is worst than a collision lower speeds. That is basic physics and indisputable. The real issue is the driver. 99% of all accidents are driver error. Whether it's driving too fast, driving too fast for conditions, crossing the yellow line, inattentiveness, disregard for traffic signs/signals, not using your blinkers, drunk driving, etc.
I generally drive 10 mph over the speed limit on interstate highways (but stay at the the speed limit in town). If traffic is congested, I slow down and don't tailgate.