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a while for it to be tested by consumers. I have the 2009/2010 V6, I almost made
a big mistake, the one I got came off the showroom floor. I told them to get my
car out of their building and put an I4 instead. They said that the car wasn't for sale
I said simply, that is false advertising you can't sell what you don't have, there are
no more V6's anywhere so, like I said get my car out here. It did get a little funny
but I was serious. NO SE V6 I go to the Azera, but I really wanted the SE. Very
big difference than the GLS or the Limited!!!
Your speculation that 2011 Sonata's will be selling for $17K is fantasy land. 2011 Sonata's will average around $23K out the door - all year long. It's a sweet new model with the best warranty on the planet.
Most VW 2010 CC's with the I4 go for $28K-$29K (and we're talking apples to apples - not a V6 4Motion). $23K vs. $29K is not 50% on my calculator.
BTW, not including mine, they are expecting a shipment of 17 more including 2 LTDs w/nav.
My only concern at this point is lack of reviews. Once that happens I'll feel confident in the car. Then it becomes a matter of do I want to wait 6 months for any issues to reveal themselves or be an early adopter of a hot new model. Hmm.
The above car, the i-flow, is being designed at Hyundai's Germany Design HQ's and is being slated to replace the Azera.
Some evidence:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1042560_2010-geneva-motor-show-previe- - - w-hyundai-i-flow-concept
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External Appearance:
The 2011 wins hands down. It is the most attractive vehicle in it's class when compared to Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Mazda 6 or Chevy Malibu. The only vehicle that comes close to it is the one it closely resembles the Volkswagen CC. I personally think many will mistake it for it for a Mercedes or a Lexus. I love the fact that the 4 cylinder SE has a dual exhaust (something my 4 cylinder lacks so I added a custom one) two failed tries later and my exhaust is still jacked. As soon as I get the money I have to try to get it re-done again. However the Limited 2011 Sonata isn't going to have a dual exhaust...only the SE.
Interior Appearance:
The interior is nice...but I actually prefer the appearance of my 09 Limited’s interior. I am old fashioned and like the traditional wood trim chrome accent look more than the Brushed Aluminum and Black accented "modern" somewhat space ship look in the 2011. I still want to see how the Limited looks with the wood trim...maybe my opinion will change. The things I like about the new car are the seats, they are very sporty in appearance and very supportive. The vehicle you fits you like a glove and at the same time it still feels spacious. The armrest extends farther than in the previous generation Sonata and it is easier to rest your arm on it while still holding on to the steering wheel.
The view out the windshield is wide and spacious...you can't even see the hood of the car while you are driving. You also have a good view out the side and rear windows as well.
Interior Storage:
Hyundai added a cubby for storage at the bottom of the center stack and moved the IPOD, aux, USB jacks to that location. The also added a cubby just beneath the armrest. These are features I really envy because I usually have to store my Blackberry or my IPOD inside my cup holders when I just want to have easy access to them in my 09. They also re-added storage to the rear passenger doors, something that my car lacks.
Ergonomics/Creature Comforts:
All the HVAC and radio controls are easy to reach and activate. If you have a Limited 2009 or 2010 you will recognize the "little seated man" that is the control button for the mode on the HVAC ("heating, ventilating, and air conditioning") vents going to the face, feet, windshield defrost, etc.) only now instead of being a little icon inside of the little LCD screen it is the actual button you use to control the HVAC modes
They moved the controls for the trip computer to the bottom left side of the steering wheel beneath the cruise control. In addition, they screen for the trip computer is a little LCD screen! My trip computer controls are to the left of the steering wheel on the dash...the location of the controls for the 2011 are very convenient and you won't have to take your hands of the wheel to access them now. In addition, the 2011 has controls for the integrated blue tooth on the left side of the steering wheel beneath the audio controls. This is a feature I really miss on my car and I have a detachable JABRA unit that I use on my 2009 Limited. I didn't bother with the system Hyundai offers as an add on since it isn't integrated into the stereo and the JABRA works the same way as Hyundai's much more expensive unit.
Radio/iPod interface:
The sound quality of my 2009 Limited's Infinity radio/NAV blows the one in the 2011 SE away...I mean there is no comparison. I also like the iPod interface in my car better. The iPod controls were a little confusing and I had difficulty getting to the various modes to switch to different songs. However I have to admit that the vehicle I test drove did not have NAV so I could not compare the interfaces, but I assume it is the same.
The new car is also extremely quiet. One of the biggest disappointments with my car is how loud the 4 cylinder is when compared to the 6. I intentionally did not drive the 6 when test driving because I knew I would like it more...I find myself regretting that decision. I think I would have been happier getting the 6 with no NAV as opposed to getting the 4 with NAV.
With the 2011 either the engine is more refined, or they increased the sound deadening or both! At Highway speeds the car is a lot more quiet. The mirrors have a nice sculpted shape, and I think this probably contributes to how quiet the car is.
Performance:
The additional 25 horses are for real. I drive my 2009 pretty hard and I got to put the 2011 through the paces. It gets to 60 a couple of ticks faster than mine and gets to 80 effortlessly. However...although I can see while looking at the speedometer that it is a faster car it doesn't really "FEEL" faster. When you step on the gas from a stop it still doesn't push you back into the seat. However, at highway speeds it has plenty of passing power and the car is still a joy to drive. I am sure the turbocharged 2.0 engine will give it the power of the previous V6 with the gas mileage of the naturally aspirated 4.
Unlike my 2009 Sonata Limited the 2011 Sonata SE is actually fun to drive. The car definitely handles better as well and the new seats in the SE grip you like a glove while going through the corners and they are very comfortable.
Overall, I like the 2011 Sonata and I wish I would have waited. However, the 2009 Sonata Limited is still a great car with a nice luxurious appearance. I would have never thought that they would improve the car so much two years after a major refreshing and only four years after the car first came out.
Hyundai has the new leader in the affordable midsize sedan class, and it may even persuade some people to forego a Lexus, Acura, or even a Hyundai Genesis in it’s Limited trim with the 2.0 turbo!
i previously stated that the difference will be 35%-40%. not 50%. last year's sonata would've been 50%.
I recalculated using the factual numbers given by both hyundai and VW. i still get almost 40%
sonata's base price + highest price / 2= $19,195 + 28,115(limited with nav + freight) / 2 = $23,655
i4 CC's base price + highest price / 2 = $27,760 + $36,520(luxury with nav + freight) / 2 = $31,890
price difference of median= $8235
Hyundai incentive/discount factor = at least $1000 if not more.
$8235+$1000= $9235 real life price difference
$9235 / $23,655 = 39%
again, i'm being very generous on incentive/dealer discount factor.
you get
$23,655 x .8 = $18924
$31,890 x .9 = $28701
=$9771
$9771 / $18924 = .52%
so 50% is still a possibility. last gen sonata averaged about 20-22% below msrp over 5 year period. but most likely new sonata's incentives+discount will no longer be 20%. camry and accord is around 8-11%, so i assume 15% for sonata is not out of question. that's basically getting $2000 rebates + $1500 dealer discount on a 23k sonata. but who knows hyundai becomes really cocky and doesn't give out huge incentives like they used to?
Your faith and belief in ALG has no merit. ALG has no qualities of any value other than "many people/companies" use it as a guide.
Unfortunately for GM & Chrysler, their super inaccurate overinflated resale values on SUV's and trucks recently helped speed their rush to bankruptcy as their lease departments lost BILLIONS thanks to ALG's inaccuracies.
The same thing happened (or would have happened absent gov't bailouts) to companies using AIG.
In my mind, AIG and ALG are worth about the same, and that is worthless (absent a bailout of GM, Chrysler, and just about every bank that bought insurance from AIG, and AIG itself.
Can we move on and talk about the 2011 Sonata, please, rather than your vendetta against companies that start with "A"?
Remember, the ALG bases their rates on the original MSRP, so even if the Accord and Sonata were selling used for about the same that would be a much higher percent of the original MSRP for the Sonata.
Come back to IL on Thursday morning to watch a live Webcast introducing the 2011 Hyundai Sonata to a group of automotive journalists. | February 16, 2010 | Hyundai Motor Company
According to this, the press is getting the car on Thursday, so we can expect initial test drives by the weekend hopefully?
Went and looked again at 2011 Sonata Limited this weekend at dealership in east Texas and the salesman said that a lot of their technicians were just back from a training session and were told the hybrid would definitely not be coming out anytime this year. He said to expect the turbo around October.
Stinks about the hybrid but at least it's not coming out a month or 2 after I buy my car lol.
Other small details of the warranty coverage:
Radio and audio systems (i.e., radio, compact disc player, DVD player, navigation system, and Bluetooth®): 3 years / 36,000 miles
Paint: 3 years / 36,000 miles
Battery: 3 years / unlimited miles (100% covered 2 years / unlimited miles; after 2 years and within 3 years, 25% cost of battery and 100% labor cost covered)
Air conditioner refrigerant charge: 1 year / unlimited miles
Adjustments: 1 year / 12,000 miles
Wear items: 1 year / 12,000 miles (e.g., belts, brake pads and linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, bulbs, fuses)
Anyone checking out the standard stereo sound? On the same note, how's the Limited's Infinity stereo sound?
"I don't know where they think they're getting their information from about the i-flow. Sounds like they're just using the WAG method. This car is just a concept to tease of what the next i-40 is going to be. That is, the next European version of the Sonata. We've long known Europe was getting a different version including a wagon. Furthermore, there have already been plenty of spy pics of the next Grandeur/Azera and it looks nothing like that. "
Their business plan makes sense, though. Slotting the i-flow Azera in just above the Sonata in size, allowing them to price the Equus and Genesis sedan more, but price it competitively in order to still make a profit. Sounds reasonable to me. I got that information from the carconnection.com. I don't know where they got it. A little further research could probably drudge report that up, though.
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Also, anyone know why there is a review/impressions embargo til monday? Is that normal for new cars?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1042427_2011-hyundai-sonata-wins-big-- in-superbowl-ads-audi-dodge-less-so
"The 2011 Hyundai Sonata ended the night at the top of the heap. Compared with average Sunday traffic, that model saw a 267% jump in views here on TCC, and a 594% increase on Edmunds.com."
Only to be met with ... well not much. Eh, like I said earlier, if at the end of the day the reviews are solid then it's all good.
(I can't furnish a link because the Times requires registration, but if you're a subscriber, look for an article about Honda Accord leases that ran in this past Sunday's Auto section. The information about higher residuals appeared in the body of that article.)
Kudos to Hyundai if they can make the interior equal the exterior, the reliability equal Honda, and the price undercut all.
I definitely wouldn't say it is tinny though, it doesn't compare to the 400 watt Inifinity system but it's still sounds good. Standard iPod integration is a nice feature too.
The descriptions I have seen say that wood grain replaces the piano black accents, but the few pictures I have seen show black accents with the Camel interior.
I believe the OP noted that he was tuned to XM at the time. XM quality varies between stations (I had the 90 day free-trial but decided not to subscribe after that was up) and the overall quality of the sound isn't that great due to (from my limited understanding) the satellite signal being compressed in order to fit in the allocated bandwidth.
Read on Inside Line that the Turbo was going to premier at New York auto show next month lends credence to what I heard today.