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Batman - Thanks for the post and please keep us updated as your travels continue. I think lots of use are really interested in how the Outlander will hold up.
At the moment we are now in a small town called “San Martin de los Andes) which can be reached from Bariloche through a 60-miles of muddy and stone road. In San martin I changed the engine oil and oil filter (4.3 liter). I have also changed the air filter element and the refresher filter (A/C). I have also rotated the tires. Brief inspection underneath the car -although it is very muddy- it appears to be OK. We are heading to Salta (Argentina) on tarmac and unpaved road (1600 miles). The GT has made so far 12,000 miles (5,000 miles out from the USA)
A quick inspection on the car body I could observe that a few fasteners of the rear bumper (left and right) have become loose creating a noticeable bulge (2-3 mm). We are not sure if this was produced by the numerous bangs of the unpaved road or someone has just hit our car in the rear although there is not any noticeable bang mark or the rear mud guard (which are made of a very strong plastic) hit the rise and fall unpaved road and by doing that the rear bumper fasteners took all the force of the hit. I remember that in my previous XLS I replaced the mug guards by mud flaps which are flexible and bend with any unexpected hit. Other than that the car is just fine.
We have heard horrible stories from people living in Route 40 with histories of petrol pipes cut in pieces, protector under cover broken or detached, petrol tanks punctured, oil filter pierced, batteries falling, wheel arches fasteners gone, etc).
The GT definitely excels on tarmac, good acceleration and the engine does a gorgeous noise when the automatic changes gears. However, the GT performs poorly with the present tire profile (55%) on non maintained unpaved road or corrugated patches of roads. The Chileans and Argentineans call this unpaved road “Ripio” and the worse type of Ripio is the very hard and solid soil (earth) embedded firmly with pieces of stones of different sizes (1-3 inches) that protrude from the earth surface like shark’s teeth. The GT tires were no match for this kind of road. The pickups here which in the majority are Toyota Hilux have 16 “wheels with 75% profile. The high tire profile helps to absorb the most extreme of condition of the Ripio roads.
As I said the car has a total load of 7-adult passenger. The vertical distance of the rear suspension goes down 1.5 inches from its normal high after being fully loaded. This is an improvement with regard to the same situation for an XLS trim.
The Geolandar A/T-S still look firm and in my opinion it was worth it to swap the stock Goodyear for this type, of course, if you would like to do a similar adventure.
My '10 GT, which will likely never see the conditions your has already survived, is sitting at a hair over 5700 miles and will turn 6 months old in a couple of weeks. Just about time for the 6 month/7500 mile oil change.
A few unpaved roads look like this. Many others look far worse.
The GT on its way to the Los Antiguos in Argentina
The GT enjoying the scenery (General Carrera Lake)-Chile
When we left San Martin de los Andes it started to snow and for2-days the snow fell continuously. The road (tarmac and unpaved) was 6 to 8 inches covered in snow, foggy and all our surroundings covered with a white mantel. There were many places where the snow ploughs had not been. The major problem we found was when the snow started to melt and many part of the snow on the road had melted and then turned to ice that usually cracked with terrible noises under the car. Pieces of iced rock were thrown with such a force under the car and so noisy that we thought we had damaged the underneath of the car. Our speed was between 40-50 miles per hour. The GT performed very well indeed under these conditions and we never got stuck. We saw a 4x4 on its roof at the side of the road, and many cars, SUVs, and trucks stuck on the road waiting for the snow plough to arrive and we were asked by the police to use snow chains if we wanted to continue driving on route 40. We showed the policeman that our car can drive safely on snow by showing him the snow knob. It seemed that this convinced the policeman and he allowed us to proceed driving without snow chains because the road was temporarily closed.
In the middle of our way to our destination it started to rain and the route 40 road was converted into a muddy path. The last ¼ of our way was dry and hot 70-80 Fahrenheit. We found many water ways crossing the route although the majorities were dry.
We got a scratched manifold and exhaust pipe when we crossed a water way we thought was not too deep for our car. Unfortunately there were hidden pieces of rocks and the water path was deeper than our car’s clearance that the clatter we heard was of rocks crashing underneath the car. The worse thing that happened to us was a crack on the wind screen of about 1” size spiders net on the driver side. We don’t have any recollection of when this happened. What we remember was that a lorry passing by 2-3-days ago threw something to us that hit our wind screen but because our wind screen was muddy and dirty we didn’t notice it. Only when the falling rain started to clear the wind screen did we notice the damage. We don’t know if this damaged can be mended in Salta. We are staying on the outskirts of Salta in a place called “La Caldera”
The interior of the car started to show irreparable bruises on the plastic from the rear seats to the payload area which are due to the banging of the cargo stuff against the walls on the car interior. The outside of the car started to demonstrate a few stone chips; tree brushes scratches and plenty of mud and dust. We have washed the car a few times but the car gets dirty again after a trip. The doors started to do some noticeable clicking noises when opening and closing. I have to find out if this unusual noise is due to a lack of lubricant on the door hinges or the whole chassis is just distorted fraction of inches.
The owner of one of the hotels where we stayed for the night as well as many other people have had only praises for the look of our GT. Adjectives like “terrific”, beautiful, great, magnificent , etc were explicative from these people. The owner of a Jeep Compass (imported to Argentina and sold by dealers) was telling me that he cannot get tires 215/55R18 (stock). His car has 25K miles and the tires of his car look really worn off indeed.
We saw a terrible accident on a road hill about 100 miles from San Pedro de Atacama, it had only just happened. It involved three huge Lorries. One of the lorries had fallen about 60 feet over the side of the road, another lorry was perched precariously on the edge of the road with its cab smashed and a third lorry was smashed in the middle with its cargo of apples strewn all over the road for about 300 feet. Miraculously no one was killed. People managed to get the driver out of the second lorry by pulling the squashed metal from his cab with a chain attached to another lorry. The other two drivers were walking amazingly. The road was completely blocked with Lorries and apples. After about 50 minutes the police arrived and appeared to do nothing except question the injured man who was lying, in a lot of pain, in the road. After about 1 - 1/2 hours we were told by another driver that there was detour through a dirt road which by passed the accident so we set off with a group of other cars, by this time there was a huge queue of traffic. I don’t know why the police didn’t divert the traffic. When we left the ambulance still hadn’t arrived and apparently was arriving in another hour!! The moral of this story is: don’t have an accident in the middle of the Atacama Desert as the Chileans don’t have an air ambulance.
The GT behaved appropriately during this journey. We passed the Atacama arid zone and the Chuquicamata cooper mines in Chile and in Peru after crossing the Chilean border we passed the road that goes to Toquepala ore complex in Peru. Temperatures were 70-80 Fahrenheit. The Pan-American high way goes all the way to Ecuador and it is tarmac.
The GT has done a total of 15,400 miles (8,000 miles from Valparaiso-Chile, Tierra de Fuego-Argentina and Huanchaco-Peru). The central groove of the tires has an average depth of 5 mm with the edges with 7 mm. This may indicate that the tires at 33 psia (instead of 32 psia recommended) has produced this result. A crude calculation made show that the tires are losing 1 mm every 3,000 miles which may imply that the tires have to be replaced at a total mileage of 22,000 miles on the GT.
Tire noise is still very noticeable and when the GT is without cargo it regain its normal rear suspension height. The drive without cargo is a bit bumpy on tarmac (with imperfections) showing that the suspension of the GT has been hardened a little more than the XLS.
I think that the GT needs to be taken to a Mitsubishi garage check if anything needs to be tightened up (underneath) as well as mending the rear bumper and evaluating the possible damages to the base of the car. I have noted (or perceived) that the GT has lost some of its engine power and it appears that the car needs more acceleration pumping for overtaking. Conspicuous little rattles are intermittently heard when the car is not loaded. I had assumed that rattles must be coming from the cargo but apparently not.
I expect to leave the car in Trujillo and return to the USA for personal reasons. After our return to Peru (6-months) we will be in this country for 2-months visiting the majority of touristic places (e.g. Machupicho, Cuzco, the world third highest waterfall in Chachapoyas, the National Park of Manus, Inapary at the border with Brazil. We will drive on the brand new sinuously Inter Oceanic road constructed through the Andes and the Peruvian jungle that give a Pacific sea point to the Brazilians. The highest point is 16,000 feet above sea level. The majority of roads will be tarmac (we think). We expect to add another 5,600 miles to the GT when we finish this adventure making it a total of 21,000 miles. We will ship our car back to the USA.
I think that so far the GT hasn’t let us down. We have given this car a very hard and torture real test. As we have said the GT is not suitable for the kind of adventure we have had. However, it has taken the test with “dignity” and it has responded to the exigencies of the road with promptitude and firmly. The only two things that need to be mentioned is that the GT the 7-passenger load depressed the suspension 1.5 inches reducing the 8 inches declared clearance height to 6.5 inches. Furthermore, I think that changing the 18” wheel for an equivalent 16” wheel (e.g. 215/70R16) will make the GT very suitable for coping much better with the type of adventure we have done. Mitsubishi has addressed this requirement by offering outside the USA 7-seats with off-road capability car (similar to Toyota 4Runner) with various names, e.g. Challenger, Montero Sport, new Nativa, etc.
You mentioned it feeling like power was lagging. Could that be related to the 15K foot altitude (i.e. less oxygen in the air) or was that experienced at lower altitudes as well? I'd also suggest inspecting the air filter and other things that might lead to a power loss (I know, you've probably already thought of that). Are you able to buy premium gas for it?
My GT has a rather sedate 6300 miles on it at the moment. As six months had elapsed since purchasing it I did take it in for an oil change & tire rotation last week. I'm averaging 21.2MPG lifetime with a high of 24.1 and a low of 17.3 on mostly midgrade gas.
noise #1 dull thumping engine noise at idle sounds like a bearing knock (best way I can describe it) doesn't make the noise while cold only at operating temps....
took it in they said it's normal,, made them pull out another v6, to prove to me that they all do it, guess what this one didn't, I sure didn't hear anything and we let run till it got to it's operating temps..but the tech says it's there very faint and just not as loud.. techs recommendation "drive it it should quiet down at around 2K and plus you'll have the radio on anyway" ( This supposedly is the TOP tech,,what a load of S**T)
guess I'll be dialing that dispute number that came with the owners manual
#2 at highway speed I get a kazoo noise above and behind me, alot worse with cross winds... service managers advice point the antenna down, "I think that's where it's coming from" what a freakin joke... I personally think it's coming from that plastic trim in the rear between the roof and the spoiler,,just don't have the time right now to test it
#3 driver window sqeeks alot when rolled down a couple of inches, every bump or little imperfection gets the squeek on.... service manager claims Mitsu has a TSB for this noise "it's 2 bolts in the regulator / track that back out just needs to be tightened" ..... I doubt it, but we'll see
honestly I don't trust these guys to wash my car, let alone rip into the door panel
and I have 6 free oil changes with them, umm no thanks I'll do it myself...just from this experience my confidence in that dealer and service dept. has gone south
I'm really concerned with that engine noise... anyone else experience this?
Economy & Operating costs:
- Early on I burned one or two tanks of Premium, one of Regular, and have basically been using midgrade gas since. Unless something changes it'll be midgrade from here on out.
- MPG: Lowest: 17.3 (in February so cold + winter blend gas). Highest: 24.1 (late April). Lifetime average: 21.2 and creeping up slowly.
- Driving is predominantly city/suburban but probably 25 or so percent is highway at speeds from 60-80MPH.
- Repairs: none.
- Maintenance: Free oil change @ 1K, but I went with the 6 month reminder and had it changed a couple of weeks ago. Did a tire rotation at the same time.
- Other costs: I opted for a 2 year Sirius subscription and purchased WeatherTech floor liners for the front seats. The WT liners are for winter only; I'm using the factory carpeted mats for summer.
HVAC:
- Now that we're in the hot season I'm using the AC more. It's way stronger than my old Galant's AC and does a much better job of bringing the temp down fast.
- I do have black leather, though, so I'm a little more conscious about parking so that the windshield is not directly facing the sun.
- The auto climate control has been smart. When the temps were cold it was wise enough to not crank the fan above a low speed until the engine is at least starting to warm up.
Tech:
- I'm appreciating the rain sensing wipers more. They aren't perfect but are just fine in about 97% of situations where there's water on the windshield. I leave them on all the time. Makes me wish they had it for the rear wiper.
- The RF stereo continues to deliver solid performance. The hard drive for music storage is a godsend. I've got over 50 CDs ripped to it and it simply rocks. The UI could use a little improvement, like better search capability, but overall it's a solid 9 out of 10.
- Setting 0 on the load leveling headlights is supposed to be 'normal' but I've found it can intrude into the passenger space of cars in front of me so I leave it at 1. They still throw plenty of light far ahead and it doesn't hit the rear view mirrors of the cars in front of me. The HIDs are bright enough that I see little need for hi-beams.
- FAST keyless entry works as advertised. I never take the keys out of my pocket. It's a simple thing, really, but it just makes things easier & smoother.
- The back up camera makes parking lot maneuvers simple. It isn't panoramic so you still have to look to the sides for traffic & pedestrians but I don't thin k I'll ever be at risk of backing into another vehicle or obstruction.
Ride & comfort:
- There have been a few times where the 3rd row seats have been handy. I wouldn't subject an adult to it for a long trip but for a short jaunt it's perfectly fine. For the most part I leave it folded flat as I tend to haul more cargo than humans.
- Seating remains comfortable. Entry & exit doesn't require Cirque du Soliel skills. My father in law appreciates the grab handle (he walks with a cane and has trouble entering most vehicles).
- In one week I did over 1000 miles of highway driving and it was never fatiguing.
- I find I mostly use the pop-out cup holder that's in the front-left of the dash v. the center console.
- The dual glovebox and other storage cubbies mean it's always easy to find a place for my stuff.
NVH:
- There's a little wind noise at the driver's A pillar but not so much that it's distracting.
- The third row can squeak just a little over sharp bumps. This is muted with the cargo mat in place and goes away altogether with, say, 40+ pounds of cargo sitting on top.
- Engine & trans are smooth & quiet.
- I could do with a little less tire noise, but again it's only noticeable if you're listening for it or are on bad roads.
Cargo:
- I mentioned in another thread that I had over 800 pounds of dirt & gravel in it with no problems. Max load is 1175 pounds so I left some cushion after adding cargo + my weight.
- I've had passengers + luggage in for trips to the airport and so far room has been sufficient where luggage either isn't stacked at all or is stacked but still doesn't rise above the second row seatback.
Overall:
It may sound like I don't like certain things about the car but those are really just nitpicking. The flaws are minor and don't really detract from my overall enjoyment. It's been a fun ride so far and I'm very happy with my decision to buy the GT. I'm solidly hitting and even slightly exceeding EPA economy so no complaints there.
If I had to do it again I wouldn't change a thing.
I'm even getting 31 mpg in the city in this pup! Great compact car from Mitsubishi!
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My wife likes the Lancer. It and the upcoming Chevy Cruze are top contenders for her next car though I'll get her to try the Outlander Sport as well. She prefers compacts and currently drives an '01 Elantra with 74K miles. She really likes it that the Lancer & Cruze have knee airbags as some years before we met she was in an accident where they would have reduced injuries.
I am now stuck with what appears to be a LEMON so buyers beware!! I have a friend that purchased a Hyundai at the same time & he is having NO problems. I have a friend that bought a Kia Sorento 4 years ago and has had ZERO problems. I have a GMC Yukon (2004) with which I have had ZERO problems.
Buyers beware DO NOY buy a Mitsubishi Outlander........
Nobody on these forums has had a similar problem.
You didn't leave the lights or interior light on did you? Let us know what the problem was. :confuse:
When my wife bought her Elantra back in '01, one of the OEM Michelin tires was defective and would go flat after it heated up, which only occurred at highway speeds. It was very frustrating and happened several times before we were able to isolate the cause of the problem. When tested for leaks the tires would always be fine as the tests never involve running the tire hot. Finally, we got Michelin - no help at all from the dealer - to replace the tire. We were both really frustrated as we'd bought our first Hyundai in part for the superior warranty coverage only to have the dealer tell us they wouldn't do anything about the tire. Even if they didn't service tires specifically, as a good will gesture they could have swapped it for another tire from another car and then returned the bad one to Hyundai for replacement at no cost to them but they did nothing.
And Michelin themselves denied coverage at first. We had to ride them hard just to get 50% coverage on the replacement tire. We did have some help, though not a ton, from the Michelin dealer. We were only made whole after the tire was returned to Michelin for inspection. They ultimately agreed the tire was defective and finally, 3 or 4 months later, we got reimbursed for the other 50% of the cost.
It took her a little while to get over the hard feelings that fault generated but since then she's always said she loves her little car.
Also, I'll add that no car is perfect. They have thousands and thousands of parts; it's just too easy for a bad connection to be made or for a defective part to occasionally slip past QC. What matter now is how you're treated. Mitsu/the dealer should "make you whole" by fixing the problem quickly and, if warranted, at no cost. Dealership experiences definitely vary but I've not had issues where I bought/service mine.
Good luck, and please keep us posted.
Mitsu/the dealer should "make you whole" by fixing the problem quickly and, if warranted, at no cost. Dealership experiences definitely vary but I've not had issues where I bought/service mine.
Believe it or not these types of things happen all the time to all kinds of car buyers buying all kinds of cars. I hope you get your car fixed in a timely manner to your satisfaction, unhappy40.
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Lots of negative comments by people who have obviously never sat in, let alone driven an Outlander or a recent Mitsu.
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What I find so hard to believe is how the comments on the IL blog are so different than in the Carspace forums. Comments here are, for the most part, thought out and are made to represent a point of view. Trolls and abject haters are relatively few & far between. Comments on IL seem to be polar opposites, with people just spouting options about things for which there is empirical data. And they seem passionate in their likes and dislikes, which would be fine if they would keep an open mind. But it's obvious that their minds are not open and even positive reporting by Edmunds, other press, and the Pope wouldn't change their minds. :confuse:
(1)- From Salta (Argentina) during my way to Peru I noticed that the warning light “ENGINE SERVICE SOON” flashed for a few seconds before disappearing. Because I didn’t reset the MMCS and the “INFO” button (after I changed the oil filter, air cleaner filter, and engine oil) I thought (wrongly) that that was the cause of the warning and waited until I reached Trujillo (Peru) to reset the instrumentation warning. The result was that now the warning light “ENGINE SERVICE SOON” is on permanently.
(2)- I also noted (perceived) a loss of engine power that I blamed to the use of 95 gasolines instead of 97/98 octane gasoline. However after reading the 2010 Service Manual CD it appears that the “ENGINE SERVICE SOON (ESS)” warning light flashes when there is a malfunction on the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve). When this malfunction appears the DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) value is: P0401 according to the manual. Nevertheless there are more than 50 malfunctions that can activate (flashing) the “ESS) for few seconds.
(3)- When the engine is switched ON for the first time and reversing there is a scratching noise from the act of engaging the reverse spot that prone me to disengage the reverse position to parking position and engage again the reverse spot. When I do these actions the cracking noise disappears.
(4)- When the engine is switched ON for the first time it appears that the engine hesitates by having irregular engine noise. Only when I pressed on the acceleration pedal (a little bit) the engine regains its normal sound. This phenomenon never happens before.
(5)- I took the GT to a local Mitsubishi garage to be told that the MUT-III scan machine (In order to find the DTC number) doesn’t function with an American Outlander. Can this be possible or is the dealer taking me for a ride?
In summary I may say that if there is a malfunction of something the MUT-III must find the problem when the warning light ESS is flashing for few seconds or the warning light ESS is permanently ON. When the scan machine doesn’t produce any DTC then the manual asks to replace the Combination Meter due to a fault of the light itself. All of these can be done, I think in the USA. What can I do now when I am not in the USA? If I continue to drive the GT will it screw up the whole car? Comments welcome
And the '10 Mitsubishi Outlander is one of them. I love the nose but it's the whole thoughtful layout inside and the aggressive look outside that I like the best. It's the nose that does it with my Lancer and your Outlander. Man, that's one classic look and it's growing more cool to me with the passage of time.
We're at only 60,600 miles on our Lancer and we've had our 60,000 mile service done at the purchasing dealer in Phoenix. And here in Elko, NV, we're only popping miles on at about 500 miles in the first month. That is going to suit us just fine as we settle in to another area to live and work in. It will snow here big-time in the winter so that's something to think about for later.
Still have the Pirelli P-Zero Nero M&S Pinna's I bought in Dec. of '08 on the car. They've lasted 30,500 miles so far and they are starting to wear down a tad. May look at some new Pirelli's in Sept. or Oct.-have to see how these are wearing-or not wearing down first. There are a fair number of hills in this small city to be concerned about in the snow, too.
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As for your current situation, I'm a bit confused. If you are planning to "use up" the GT and return home without the car, then I guess you could just run it till it dies, unless you are concerned that doing so would effect sales value. But given the rate you go through vehicles (from what i understand), sales value doesn't seem to be a concern.
Only real problem would be having the GT leave you stranded. How close are you from completing your adventure? Can you count on a French fishing boat to rescue you from harm if things go wrong? (you might be too far removed from media to get this reference)
Best of luck!
i tried to read some of the posts but it was impossible to read everything anyway i have a question i was trying to find out if outlander has the heated mirror and i found them only at ES trim and only with AWD what about but i cant find them in XLS trim and that is the trim i would like to purchase.... I would apreciate some help
i read somewhere that scuff plates that write outlander are with led lights?
thank you
P.S outlander is a beautiful car,forester like driving a box.
does this count in comparison?
The accessories, including scuff plates, are at http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/outlander/10/accessories.do?modelId=10003- 5. I'd suggest getting the rear bumper step protector at a minimum. The regular scuff plates don't cover quite as much as I'd prefer and I consider them a little more decorative than functional. See the pics. Still, they aren't that expensive so it is a nice way to tweak your ride.
Feel free to ask about any other features; we're glad to help.
After 10 years in a 2000 Galant ES, I decided I needed more room and utility in my ride since I live in Colorado and go to the mountains a lot. I also wanted something that drove like a car (lots of twisty roads in the Mtns). My Galant was a great car. 172K miles and no problems.
It came down to the GMC Terrain and the Outlander. I test drove the Terrain and it was nice, but was just missing something. I compared the Terrain to the Outlander in features and price and the Outlander won hands down.
I get remote start and clear bra installed on Thursday. For those of you who had questions on the roof rack. The GT doesn't come with roof rails, however Mitsubishi sells the crossbars that will fit on the GT. I'll wait til ski season to buy those.
It's a shame the Outlander doesn't get more notoriety, but I am glad that you don't see one every 5 seconds like a RAV-4.
On my '07 the "bumper" is so narrow and is really more of a bump out part of the tailgate, rather than a bumper per-se so I can't see how you would stand on it (if I needed to get to the roof rear I'd open the hatch enough to release the flap fold tailgate and then stand on it)
Help me here. :confuse:
As to standing, the tow hitch is great for that. Without the ball mount installed there's a small plate that's just right for a foot.
My GT is Rally Red and has more or less every option except rear entertainment. Running midgrade gas I'm averaging a little over 21MPG over 6700 miles so far.
I see a modest number of Outlanders in my area, but relatively few '10s so far. RAV4s and CR-Vs are like gnats; they seem to be everywhere and in swarms.
I am pretty sure the closest Mitsubishi dealer to me here in Elko, NV, is in Boise, ID. Where one of the Edmund's hosts, steve, lives. Taking the Mountain City Highway north out of Elko, Boise, ID, is only 229 miles away.
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As to standing, the tow hitch is great for that. Without the ball mount installed there's a small plate that's just right for a foot."
I agree. My hitch would likely do for a quick reach to the roof, but I still don't see the purpose of that scuff pate (It's not really a bumper as it's so narrow). If you need to reach higher on the roof the tailgate down is the only wide enough stable option IMHO
i really wanted them but i am not going for AWD since i live in Florida not too many snow down here :P.i was thinking of adding chromed mirrors but in all the pictures i seen in internet no one have them..and if i add them are they going to remove the turning signals from the mirrors?
i am looking for XLS FWD but i dont know what to add the sun and music package or the luxury package any idea?
P.S i know that adding both is good but economy is hard recently so i have to add only one package( i can consider the AWD though)
I usually change the oil at 7.5K miles (Synthetic) but the warning message came at 5.5K miles. Old oil was very black.
Right now I am shopping for a hitch mounted bike rack. I need to find one that won't interfere with the tailgate when folded down. The tailgate will come in handy for some cold drinks after a long ride. Since the tow hitch sticks out a few inches I think I'll be OK with most racks. I am looking at the Saris T-Rax.
I haven't had to fill up yet, but was thinking of using mid-grade when I had to, so that's good to know.
changed my oil myself and have chosen to do so at 5K mile intervals (using synthetic) In my wife's Malibu it is a straightforward thing . It measures how many engine revolutions the car has had and what the ambient temperature is and then calculates and displays how much useful life you have as a percentage, colder being sooner (her car averages over 6500 miles per change and I use synthetic).When you get down under 4% left I think it warns to change soon. When I hit the very easy to use reset button after changing her oil the display indicates 100% oil life left. In my '07 LS outlander the display just shows the next service interval (which may or may nor have to do directly with oil. I could change it at 15K and then it might display a message that next service is at something like 22,700 then next reset might be some other number (say 26000). If you make a mistake and accidently reset it again it will jump to the next interval (no going back and you will live with that new reminder) It doesn't seem to correlate to the same recommended oil interval and one has to look at the manual to figure what the next service item might be. (this seems to be targeted to get you to return to the dealer and have them generate revenue to clear the service warning without saying what is needed (you are supposed to trust them with your wallet) vs being straight forward and informing the owner that "oil is due" or "air filter is due", etc. Anyone experience this?.
Anyway, I bought a black GT MSRP of $30,015 for just south of $26K. that is pre-trade where they gave me $6K for a 2005 V6 Malibu LS (it was in rough shape and i only expected $4K). Overall i think i got a good deal because it was the end of the month. Oh and i got a remote start installed for $400.
Also, to the person who was interested in getting the XLS with the sun and sound package, that is only available with the 2WD. the AWD XLS does not have a sun and sound option. thats what made me get the GT so i could have a sun roof.
Does any other owner out there think it is weird that the passenger airbag light stays on if there is no one in the seat?
Re: the airbag light. I guess the sensor senses a certain weight for safe airbag deployment. (shouldn't go off with a child as the force and height are wrong). I think kids must ride in the rear until their weight is sufficient whether in car seats or not. I know my '98 Dakota had a manual key switch to enable/disable the airbag if children rode up front. (it also had small jump seats as it was an extended cab).
So my guess is Mitsu takes the approach to warn all the time unless someone is heavy enough to satisfy the sensor and is sitting there.
The OBC display between the speedo & tach, though, I have no idea how to reset. It appears when the dealer reset it after my oil change it added 6 months & 7500 miles. Which is wrong as while it properly shows the time remaining the miles to my next oil change started at 8800 instead of 7500. IOW it should reset values to 6 months from the change and 7500 miles from current, not just add 6 months/7500 miles to existing values. I don't know if this was a dealer error or a Mitsu software bug. Doesn't really matter; I'll go by what I entered on the navi screen.
Also congrats on the new GT. Looks like you got a killer deal.
I was wondering about the passenger airbag light. Now I know.
it is a great deal i will try to get a deal close to yours if not than xls.
btw that is confusing how is possible they dont offer in AWC sun & sound it is wierd :S
anyway congratulations and enjoy your new GT.BTW where do you live so i can put some pressure to my dealership..:)