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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Few things were more ugly than a Canadian Ford!

    They would try to make it look different from the US models by sticking on some sort of an afterthought grill or something like that.
  • carnut4carnut4 Member Posts: 574
    No doubt that many ugly cars were good in other ways-we're only talking UGLY here. And Subaru has done its part as well-just saw a new outback wagon in white-somehow all the black plastic and ugly tallite stuff didn't work for me. Those old 70's Subarus were much worse....
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think some of the kit cars are pretty badly styled...the Clenet and Zimmer and such--they don't understand that you can't mix different eras of style in the same car...20s bodystyle with 30s accents, fake engine pipes, tiny 50s stamped or wire wheels, and 80s interior, with a steering wheel out of a Pinto or some such and dune buggy bumpers and headlights from a who knows what...and the Stallone Italian Stallion aa000-gah horns sticking out of the grille....a nice touch. And that beautiful plastic finish that ripples in the sunlight.
  • carnut4carnut4 Member Posts: 574
    Thanks Shiftright for reminding us of that "gilded" era of phoniness. Clenet, Zimmer, and what else? There were a couple others in the same bag of parts. Oh yeah-the Excalibur-wasn't that the one that started it all? Seems like it was trying to imitate the old Mercedes from the 30's, and then these other mutations jumped in and it got worse and worse. Nothing like a '73 Ford Torino with a phony, gimmicked up body on it...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    And only $70,000 for one! You know, for that price, they really could have done it right...a few (very few) kit cars have.
  • bubukittybubukitty Member Posts: 96
    Boy, what I could buy for $70,000! Ferrari Dino or 365 GTC4 would be at the top of my list. I've seen a few of the Excaliburs and Clenets around and the drivers fit the image of those cars to a tee....older balding guy with lots of gold chains and big sunglasses, with an aging trophy wife with a bad blonde dye job. At least they bypasses the good cars for people who truly deserves them! Just picked up the recent issue of Classic and Sports Car (British car mag) and saw 3(!) Diamler SP 250's for sale in the classified section (w/pics) and yes, they definitely do look like catfish. The Taurus and Sable are just about as bad.

    Here's a new one. I think the Facel Vega's (French) are pretty bad looking too. The overall styling is pretty bad (though they were very interesting, hand built cars). The French certainly have had some quirky styling ideas. Also, some of the older british Fords from the 50's and 60's were not the greatest looking cars around either.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    The early to mid 70's Datsun 610/710 were awful. I almost bought a used one in high school, even though it was butt ugly. The main performance feature I remember is a loud backfire every time I shifted. Not a good sign, but probably not all that uncommon in the early emissions control days.

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Glad to see a Datsun post there. I was thinking htat when you're gonna spend $70,000 on a car your dealing with some ugly pros .... it becomes tough to compete!

    How about most of the big Pontiacs of the 70's with the massive grill in the middle. I tell you that Edsel designer gets around!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You know, the only car I ever saw that I liked with a thin, vertical grille was the LaSalle. Generally, cars never look good when they are too heavy in the nose.

    Oh, yeah, Facel Vega--one of the European "hybrids" (Euro styling and coachwork with American drivetrain)...some of them came out allright, but Facel was a very heavy, slab-sided affair. Some of the accents were nice, but again, to me "ugliness" is often a kind of confusion, where it looks like they just kept adding parts in a desperate attempt to fix a mistake, or when the front of the car and the back of it have nothing in common (a typical error of design by large committee). Interesting, but I can't think of a truly unattractive car that became a "classic" or hot collectible, with the possible exception of cars that are so outrageous they have a certain shock value (e.g., '59 Cadillac).
  • shokeshoke Member Posts: 1
    Talk about ugly, what about the Porsche 928 - a reshaped AMC Pacer however here is the catch, people paid $70,000+ for these!

    As far as modern cars go, pretty well anything styled by Pontiac could count as ugly. They do not know when to stop with the plastic add on panels, can we say fat and overdone. For example Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GT with Ram Air...I rest my case, 'Tacky American Car'
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    It was cruising down the freeway, doing about 70. It seemed to be in great condition!

    a 1958 Oldsmobile 88 Station Wagon!

    Pink and white, no less!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Very rare car, and very ugly, too....still, you can get 10 grand for a show car wagon like that....ah, the age of Detroit gone completely mad. There must have been a drug epidemic in the design studios in those days.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Is that what caused the chrome explosion of the 50s? What do you figure - right around 1958 had to be the peak of excessive chrome which made add on ugliness almost no work at all. As we cruised into the 60s a whole different look came about - and different ugliness..... different drugs?

    Somehow Pontiac and Oldsmobile always had more than their share of folks with a real talent for designing ugly cars.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • carnut4carnut4 Member Posts: 574
    This Edsel talk just reminded me of the Tbird-'71 I believe-that got the vertical schnauze treatment, which made an already ugly car even worse. Wasn't this the work of Bunky Knudsen, who went through a few different car divisions at that time, and put massive, vertical growths on the front of several different cars, including Pontiac. And speaking of Pontiac, how 'bout those Korean-built "Lemans" from the 80's. They looked to me like Cockroaches. And Shiftright-what did you think of the Bricklin?
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Yes! That's the king of the ugly grille! Oh, yeah, there wasn't an ugly idea he couldn't make uglier!

    And, oh yes, those awful 80's Korean LeMans might look worse they worked - which isn't easy to do!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The Bricklin...oh, god...just a mistake, what can I say....interesting fact related to that...there has not been a successful mass=produced car with the builder's name on it since Walter Chrysler in 1924...Tucker failed, Kaiser failed, Crosley failed, Delorean failed, Bricklin failed, and McLaren is too rare to count. Trying to produce your own car may not be a very good idea.
  • bubukittybubukitty Member Posts: 96
    The Bricklin kind of reminds me of a doorstop. The Delorean isn't too much better!

    Does anyone out there like the styling of the current Mustang? I've never been too crazy about the styling of the Mustang after it was restyled a few years ago and the lastest take on it with the more angular sculpting, isn't all that much of an improvement.

    The Camaro is a far better looking car than the Mustang, though the materials Chevrolet uses (interior anyway) are pretty cheap. The Mustang looks like a brick in comparison to the Camaro. I wished they had made the Mustang look more like the show car that it was supposed to be based off of. Actually, many of Detroit's show cars that are supposed to evoke an upcoming model are just fantastic. If the Big Three were able to make their production cars look exactly like the concept cars, most would be home runs. However, when the actual production car comes out, it is far from the concept car (like the Mustang and Pontiac Grand Prix show cars-just beautiful...but the production cars are bad looking). One of the only American cars I can think of that is pretty close to its show car forbearer is the Oldsmobile Intrigue, which I think is great looking. I think Detroit needs to be more daring. Look what Porsche did with the Boxster. The production car is a virtual take off of the Boxster show car and sales of the Boxster are through the roof. Chrysler was pretty much able to do the same with the Viper, except the production Viper has the targa top instead of the full roadster concept of the show car. I wish they had made the Viper a roadster instead of a targa..it would look even better than it does now.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Detroit often confuses "daring" with "overdone" IMO. These are in fact two very different concepts.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    No ugly car spottings? Has the Pacer guy made us retire the title? Must I bring up the late 50's DeSotos that were some painfully ugly in the classic 50's chrome mode that it finally killed the marque...

    Just wondering.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • glengleglengle Member Posts: 57
    Pulsar NX. Yikes.
  • sbarersbarer Member Posts: 35
    How about a 1984 Chrysler Lebaron Town and Country Convertible... the green car with the plastic-fake wood siding?

    As for the Nissan Pulsar, the original ones were ugly. The redesign (1987ish) was actually quite cute. But then they added the sportback add on, which made it a station wagon! Oh god was that one step past El Camino stupidity!

    And to address the Excalibur styled cars...don't forget the Tiffany!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Glad to see the new posts. Is it me or has the "look alike" culture among car makers made for very few really ugly current models (Taurus and Sable excepted, of course). It's liek there's not too much stunningly good looking but not much really awful either.

    Certainly the quasi-death of chrome has been a factor, but the relative sameness going around is the biggie.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Cadillac Cimarron...detroit in its death throes, with a compact Caddie on a standard GM platform, and phony medieval heraldic emblems stuck all over it. Magnificent!
  • glengleglengle Member Posts: 57
    1978 Datsun 510 wagon, green with green vinyl of course. :o)
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Oh, Mr. Shiftright, you have brought back an unpleasant memory! Several eyars ago I was driving to work in my 85 Accors and a 79 eyar old gentleman decided that after all these years stop signs no longer applied to him and his - yes - Caddilac Cimarron. Not only did I end up in the emergency room and lose my 135,000+ mi Honda that was running just great, but that darn ugly Cimmaron escaped with minor damage! Fortunately I didn't have to look at it again.... I will say this - it seemed solid...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    And he's probably still driving....yikes!
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    I've noticed that the Japanese look alike trend has been moving toward angular ugly lately. While not classics obviously, I think the previous generation (93-96 or so) mid size Japanese cars (626, Altima, Accord and Camry) all were pretty attractive (not stylish, but pleasant)in a roundish way.

    The latest (surrent) models look like the designers forgot how to draw a curve (discount rack CAD software?). They are all angular with some real bad angles. The altima went downhill the most, but the Accords butt is pretty bad too.

    Hopefully the next trend (since they always copy each other) is more stylish.

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  • bubukittybubukitty Member Posts: 96
    I agree that the current mainstream Accords and Camrys have gotten uglier than their prior versions. The prior generation Camry (my dad has one) was much nicer looking than the present design. Same with the Accord from about 4-5 years ago. Bad software (or stylists) must be to blame! The current Altima as previously mentioned and the new Infiniti G-20 too are not as good as the former designs.

    Another terrible Japanese design, and hopefully I can remember the correct model name, was the Datsun F-10 (?) of the early seventies. It was very small and had a really funky back end with large round tail lights. One of the uglier cars out of the land of the rising sun.

    Mr. Shiftright (Nigel is it?) is right about the Cimmeron. GM platform engineering at its worst. At least Cadillac improved their current "small" car, the Catera, which is a much better car because it is based on the Opel. Was the Cimmeron one of the GM "X" platform cars? I used to drive a company car, a Buick Skylark of mid 80's vintage that was a truly terrible pile of junk, and I think it may have been built on the same platform as the Cimmeron.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    It's hard to beat those Datsun F-10s for ugly Japanese cars, though some of the early offerings from Subaru and Mazda were difficult on the eyes.

    Was just driving by one of those GM Dustbuster vans earlier. It's difficult to make a minivan ugly enough to stand out in the crowd, but the good folks at GM were up to the task!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • carnut4carnut4 Member Posts: 574
    The Datsun F-10-Oh my god what a mess! I remember buying a used Dodge Van from a young couple in 1977 wh were selling it because they'd just bought a new Datsun F-10. Made me wonder about them. What make of car has produced the most uglys-could it be Nissan? And about the new Mustangs-I've never liked them either. Thought I was the only one-since they seem soooo popular. And I agree that the newest Camrys and Accords are uglier than the previous ones. And they do copy each other. It's disappointing to see everyone [even American] trying to market its own Camry or BMW clone.































    other-have for years. It's disappointing to see very make[American too] trying to market it's own Camry or BMW clone. The only original designs out there are, ironically, from Chrysler.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Lately I've been noticing some cars that I would not normally consider ugly (dull, maybe, but ugly goes far beyond that) that have the most inappropriate paint jobs that move them into ugly category. The most glarin example lately are thhose black Corollas and Tercels. These are fine little cars for what they are but I've always thought that driving a black car made several statements, like "I don't care how often I've gotta wash it -it looks great!" or "I'm a mean dude" or more to the point "I don't drive a cheap, dull Toyota....."

    Anybody else noticing this?
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • barresa11barresa11 Member Posts: 277
    What about the Saab 96 wagons and the late 70's Datsun 200sx (kind of took the B210 "beauty" to new heights or is that lows)!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    At lunch time I'm out on the road and up in the other direction is one of the 6 Azteks taht's actually on the road. Lovely - Army green..... image
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • rea98drea98d Member Posts: 982
    Somebody had to remind me pf the El Camino! This is the all time king of ugliness (and lack of creativity as well). Someone took a station wagon, (which was never a pretty car) and chopped the back off of it! elghphtt!!!!
    I have also come to the conclusion that I am the only living person who seems to like an edsel. (Of course, that means I could pick one up for peanuts and drop an olds 455 in it :-)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    No, you're not the only living person to like the Edsel...c'mon...we've located one other in Hiram, Ohio..maybe we can get you two into a chat room.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I'm a bit of an Edsel fan myself. That doesn't mean they aren't ugly - they are - classically so.
    I always they were kind of the death knell for chrome - that and the last Desotos and look what happened to them!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's not so good to jump in at the very END of a trend, is it?
  • esneedesneed Member Posts: 16
    I always did think the Edsel had a certain charm to it - and frankly, I think the 1959 and 60 models were far ahead of their time -- although who am I talk... I also really like the late 60's-1970 full-size Pontiacs with their extended nose-job. They lost the look in 1971 though. THAT was one blatantly ugly Pontiac from the front.

    What about the 1971-1972 Oldsmobile Toronado? While the side profile wasn't bad at all, the front end looks like a jigsaw puzzle crying to be put together. Unlike others, the massively large 5-mph front bumpers required in 1973 actually IMPROVED its front-end appearance.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Boy, putting the shift buttons in the center of the steering wheel on the Edsel...now that was a Gyro Gearloose idea if I ever saw one.
  • ralph124cralph124c Member Posts: 36
    The BMW sports coupe with the hard top gets my vote for ugliest new car! It looks like a hearse thats had an accident-you could'nt pay me to drive one! The convertable version is quite handsome-but the hard top is....yeccchhh!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I always thought that was the icing on the cake for Edsels. It's why if I ever did get crazy enough to buy one it would HAVE to be a 58. By 59
    they had gone to a conventional PRNDL and lost the massive chrome horse collar (though it still had teh suggestion of the classic mouth in the middle) and by those few '60 models they were downright mainstream. I actually had a chance on a good deal on an Edsel (if there can be any such thing) many years ago and turned it down because it was a 59....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The current values don't seem to discriminate between years on Edsels.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    That always amazes me. When I think of an Edsel I think of a 58 and the 60s are a rarity so I would think by nature they would be worth more. But all too true that is not the case.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah, it's hard for some people to accept, but very often, the rarity of a car may not affect its value, if nobody cares if it's rare, basically. You could hardly find a REnault Dauphine in the whole USA, but if you did, it would be worth $500 on a good day.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Does anybody remember the turquoise and white Edsel from that movie?

    It came from my home town. Back in 1968 or '69, the original owner was trying to sell it for 200.00. It was immaculate and had very low miles as I recall...It sat in his driveway for a couple of months with the For Sale sign on it!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    What movie? was it Peggy Sue Got Married? or Godzilla (was that an Edsel he (she?) stepped on?)

    Actually, for a very nice 4 dr Edsel you can get $3,500...so it's not without some value, just not much considering all the fuss and all the years since it was made. Not easy to find a buyer, though, you have to be patient, but they are out there, somewhere in the Great Beyond...
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Was American Graffiti! A very young Harrison Ford was the punk in the 55 Chevy.

    Getting back to ugly...How about a 2 door Rav-4.

    They look like a tennis shoe!
  • prophet2prophet2 Member Posts: 372
    $500 for a Renault: that much, huh .........

    Our host is right, it's DEMAND, not RARITY that is more of a factor in value. And I glad to see the reference to Gyro Gearloose: I'm not the only one who read the Disney comics.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I was rather pleased to see that reference myself.
    It IS funny. I happened accidently (honest!) on an Edsel owners convention one time and you would have thought a 60 Edsel way the holy grail! Someboday had a rustbucket one and got as much attention as the guy with the 95 point top of the line 58 Edsel Citation Convertible.

    Of course my eyes have yet to recover and that was 20 years ago.....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh, back in the 70s there were whole packs of Edsel fanatics....many fewer now, what with attrition and all, and the car is not capturing the attention of the younger collectors.
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