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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Driver training and common sense tells everyone that when stopped, in gear, you need to have your foot on the brake, firmly.
Anyone who drives any other way is just NOT doing it right.
And also - two-footed driving is a NO-NO for automatic transmissions !!! One right foot does it all !!!
Anyone else remember this or do a lot of you hold down the brake pedal with your left foot while being stopped at red lights?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Rapidly becoming an urban legend, that.
Almost all modern day vehicles rolling off the production line have "hill start", often referred to as "hill hold".
With the advent of more ROBUST torque converter lockup clutches the torque converter, LITTLE used torque converter, was down-sized, made less powerful.
So, now, on level terrain the TC will often not have enough coupling at idle to move the vehicle. Conversely it also does not have enough coupling to hold the vehicle stationary when stopped on a uphill facing incline.
Move your foot from the brake pedal on the way to placing it on the gas pedal, the car rolls, begins to roll, and "Hill Start" detects the roll and automatically applies the brakes.
Now when you finally get your foot to the gas pedal and apply pressure the brakes have been applied so there will be a slight delay in the DBW system's response to the gas pedal pressure.
Some vehicle's flash the TC light and activate a short beep to make the driver aware of what just happened.
Hope you are mending ok.
Your right foot is sitting there doing NOTHING anyway when you are stopped at a light - so why not burn a few calories by holding the brake down, instead of relying on some "mystery technology" to keep you from rolling forward?
That's how it's still taught in driver's ed, and how it SHOULD be taught.
Yes, but you must move your right foot from the brake to the gas pedal and that "time" is what is giving rise to the new technology.
Oh, and speaking of "new" technology, there was a time in not to distance past when 2-foot driving, clutch/braking/gas, was REQUIRED.
Speaking of which how many of us, how often, shift a manual into neutral in order to give our clutch leg a rest.
Or backwards. Whichever I wanted to go. So there.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Again, just where did you say you were from....
" in the 3 ft days..."
Interesting comment larsb!
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Not a good way to put it. That implies it was never true.
"LITTLE used torque converter, was down-sized, made less powerful"
Got any reference to back that up?
On most mainstream automatics the torque converter is unlocked below ~40MPH.
With car companies striving for fractions of an MPG a low loss/slip torque converter is still desirable.
You should keep your foot on the brake when stopped on the street anyway so the brake lights will be on.
Nowadays the torque converter clutch is locked, bypassing the TC, unless being locked might result in the engine stalling. It will also be unlocked for even the most minor level of acceleration, in any of the higher gear ratios.
"..Got any reference to back that up.."
Other than the widespread adoption of the new "hill-start", automatic braking, no.
Federal Judge Drastically Limits Claims Against Toyota in Sudden-Acceleration Litigation (Inside Line)
The dismissal won’t preclude the suit from being tried in a federal court, as the plaintiffs’ attorney said a new complaint will be drafted to place the suit in the proper jurisdiction. The now-dismissed case was scheduled to be tried in 2013."
First Toyota Unintended-Acceleration Lawsuit Dismissed (AutoObserver)
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Toyota is based in California so it makes a little sense to start there where most of the documents and witnesses are.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
IIRC in the senate hearings the toyota folks acted like everything was in Japan.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
In any event, the 2013 trial date just got pushed back another year.
"Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.'s inspection of a crashed 2008 Toyota Camry casts "a cloud of suspicion" over its behavior, wrote Judge James V. Selna on Wednesday as he issued a tentative sanction against the automaker in the nationwide trial over sudden unintended acceleration."
Toyota Faces Judicial Sanction in Sudden Acceleration Case (Inside Line)
"I'd like to know how Toyota was supposed to know they were in a pre-litigation phase when inspecting a car a mere two weeks after the accident? Had the plaintiffs already filed suit?"
It's awfully coincidental. Just as it is so coincidental that this issue is so widespread in the nation that is both the most litigious and most clueless behind the wheel.
In January 2010, Toyota was forced to temporarily stop selling more than 60 percent of vehicles in the United States, as it searched for a fix for its sticky pedal problem. Its top executive, Akio Toyoda, was called to testify before Congress, and the issue got worldwide attention.
Toyota still faces hundreds of lawsuits in connection with its recalls.
But the issue has largely faded away. The Senate this year had approved legislation to require Congress to set pedal entrapment rules as part of a highway bill, but as part of a compromise unveiled Thursday, the provision to require NHTSA to set new pedal placement rules was dropped — as were most new safety requirements sought by the Senate."
Toyota expanding Lexus pedal recall (Detroit News)
No chance of drive-by-wire or electronics. Then they decided floor mats. Then they decided it was the fault of US supplier of electronics for the accelerator pedal.
Now it's back to accelerator after testing two samples for whiskers in electronic parts. This is as hard to pin down as the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire cause! Link to fire info
They are still debating over what's the cause and who did the cover up. Guess they should blame John Davidson who was the singer attraction appearing at the time. Or the aluminum wiring. Of the arson idea. Or sabotage by two workers there during the day. Etc.
Maybe NASA can investigate the Beverly Hills fire.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
NASA checked for radio interference, electromagnetic interference from typically surface power lines that might have interfered with the electronics. If the tenet that there's a problem in the electronics is so silly, why would anyone have bothered to have NASA check? That alone gives validity.
Have you proven that there are no electronic flaws?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I wouldn't want to be near the assembly line where they are soldering the stuff though.
I see old TVs in the dumpsters at my storage all the time. Off to the landfill.
Floormat issue was a horrible coincidence, IMO.
And that 80 year old is doing it right - not only by admitting simple error and moving on, but by daring to live it up in a car like that at his age to begin with. Excellent :shades: