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*heated/cooled seats up front
*keyless go with out the slot (like Lexus not bmw), *optional heated rear seats
*6speed auto
*10way power driver
*6-8way power passenger
*Reclining rear seats like Camry XLE
*Ac Glovebox
And if the TL does happen stay FWD, a flat rear floor (No tranny tunnel) would be nice!
-Cj
i don't care about the front cooled seats, rear heated seats, and AC glovebox because almost none of its competition has it.
but then again, honda just freshened the TL for 07', so there would be no point of adding all these features for 08'. i would rather add them on its complete redesign for 09 model.
Hey, acura could be the 1st in the class with an AC glovebox! The 3series has it but not sure about the 5...
Only lexus, lincoln, and infiniti have the cooled seat. I like em! We have them on our expedition. They're great for hot climates.
I think Audi is the only manufacturer to uses heated rear seats in a sedan...
-Cj
but all those features "would" get the TL an edge over its competitors, but then again, it would kinda surpass the RL in terms of features and the RL's will struggle with its sales!
i like the current design too, but where ever i go, there are 2-4 TL's around me, so i am kinda bored of the design, and again, the REDESIGN'S from BMW, INFINITI, LEXUS, and the upcoming MERCEDES C, and CADILLAC, are going to crush/are crushing the TL and the recent sales show that.
I would in fact advise acura to get the new-gen TL out early next year in spring/summer.
On the next TL, should acura bring on more interior colors? "Taupe, Parchment" and Black aren't doing it for me. I like the old green color with the "Parchment" interior.
Exterior
Brown
Light/Powdery Blue
Dark green or the old green
Interior
2tone Black & Beige and others
Black w/red stitching fot Type S
Red seats
Brown/ that dark color in the MDX
Different Woods/wood looks like BMW
I'd Take A White Tl(base) with brown interior, rear lip spoiler, Nav, and panoramic sunroof :shades:
-Cj
Maybe a new color.
Don't forget the 08' CTS
Rocky
P.S. Saab has cooled gloveboxes also as they were the first car company to have both ventilated seats and colled glove boxes
Now, I've never had keyless entry, but I'd love to have it on my next car.
Of course it's not a big deal, but it'd be nice to be able to leave te key in my pocket and just open the door, especially if I've got stuff in my hands or wearing a long coat with my keys in my pants pocket.
In my mind, if it's the kind of system where you can leave the key in your pocket the whole time, then it's great. If it's one of those where you still need to insert a key (or a fob) into the car, but just don't have to turn it, then I don't see the point. :confuse:
I initially heard it was for the 2008 Model Year but now I seems to be the 2009 Model Year. Can anyone enlighten me on what is formally known or speculated on this?
Thanks
If I remember correctly my day had push button start on his 1952 dodge, we also had pushbutton transmission on a 58
Plymouth Fury. Old Mike
There will be a 2008 model. IMHO, I really don't think there are going to be any major changes since the 2007 was a MMC.
But, the 2009 model (4G TL) will show up sometime in 2008.
MMC means "mid model change." WOT means "wide open throttle."
1) Rumors starts to spread in the fall of 07
2)Acura debuts the car at the NY AUTO show in the Sprig of 2008
3).The car goes on sale in the fall of 08 as a 2009 model.
If you followed Acura trend this has always been the case.
For 2009 it would be good if there were more positions for the passenger seat, extensions for the sunvisors, compass in the rearview mirror (even on navigation models) and options for a rear window sunshade, folding rear seat and SH-AWD.
Also, on none "S" models, some chrome trim around the windows would help brighten the car. Just my opinion. Oviously, one could wish for more but then the car just becomes another RL.
Acura can make something along this lines but I'd rather keep the current TL's rearview monitor and add other luxury features like Push Button Start/keyless go(come on, its on the 14k versa.... Borrow it from the S2k!), cooled seats/glovebox/armrest, and sunshades.
I think the passat is a competitor to the TL now because it offers strong performance(280hp), equal or more features, similar space, and similar MPG.
-Cj
And now they make White/Navi with Parchment interior...I am pissed!!!
:confuse:
I do believe they renamed carbon grey pearl to polished metal metallic. Looks the same to me. You know what they say, a rose by any other name.....
Still haven't come close to the answer of my TL vs TSX thing. IMO the TL's stats are so similar to my current car its scary.
Accord v6 vs TSX vS TL
170hp vs 205hp vs 258hp
164lb ft vs 165lb ft vs 233lb ft
13cuft in all (< with navi)
19/25 vs 21/32 vs 21/29 all AT
My biggest gripe on the TSX is gearing and overall space and the TL is the non-folding rear seat and mpg (offered on tsx and accord)
It really is hard to choose between 3cars from the same overall company. All the specs are so similar...
-Cj
Are you drunk? What, pray tell, is so similar about the specs you are quoting? Assuming they are correct, the TL has 50% more horsepower than the Accord, 25% more than the TSX and 45% more torque than either.
And, once again, find yourself a beater car with a manual transmission (or better yet a friend with one you can borrow), and LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A STICK. It's an embarassment that someone your age, obviously interested in cars, is looking only at slushboxes. My 9 year old daughter knows better.
PRO
I wont have to make big adjustments
CON
Everything else is the same.
I threw the TL in because I love the way it looks in the deep green pearl! But with driving vehicles topping 170hp. I dislike the TLs step down in MPG but thats till a step up from my accord(cant tell you the average since the odometer retired from duty) Can you tell me about the TL because these reviews online dont help much. They all seem to say the same things. I want to hear about the TL and TSX and how they are everyday.
Mainly I want an auto because I live in miami and it is congested about 60% of the time and it lots of red lights on all the alternate routes.
HEY BUB! I CAN DRIVE A STICK A BIT!! I just need more practice. Can I practice with your 6MT?
My entire household has a 4AT: My accord, sis's millenia, moms miata, bros corolla, dads expy's. Moms old sportage was a MT and thats how i was learning. I moved it into the gate and around a parking lot and it only cut off twice but that twice to many as I see it.
-Cj
No matter whose reviews you read, there is nothing like getting your butt in the seat(s) of all of the cars you are considering and taking lenghty test drives of each.
FWIW, the TL 6-speed was my choice in 2004 because it offered the best balance of attributes - lots of amenities, high quality fit and finish, ability to carry my family of 4 comfortably and, with the 6-speed (including Brembo brakes & stiffer suspension), a sporty drive. Now for 2007/8 you need to go up to the TL-S to get a 6-speed. I would not be a TL (TL-S) buyer today. The extra $ to get the TL-S is not as good of a value, IMO. And I'm simply not a fan of automatic transmissions period, but especially Acura automatic transmissions.
As far as learning to drive a stick and using "congestion" as an excuse for an automatic - do what's right for you. But the DC area traffic is worse than Miami's and neither my wife nor I would own an automatic, given the choice of a manual (no choice in our MDX). Again, the 6-speed gearbox in my TL is one of its best features. I have never sat in even the worst of traffic wishing I had gotten a slushbox.
I can't really comment on the TSX, as I've only ever driven one briefly as a loaner and it was - you guessed it - a slushbox. Honda engines scream (literally and figuratively) for a manual transmission. One thing I would mention is that, back in 1994, on a tight budget, I debated between a Nissan Maxima SE w/ almost no options and a $3k less Altima GXE with more goodies. I went for the 6-cylinder Japan-built Maxima and it was one of the best car decisions I ever made. Still have it with 155k miles and it runs like new. I seriously doubt the US-built 4-cylinder Altima would have fared as well. My lesson from that experience is, buy the better car first and worry about options or amenities second.
Some of us, who are older, have that ability because, in our day, there were more sticks around to learn on. I am sure that is still the case in more rural areas.
I grew up in New York City then San Francisco and now in southern california. Believe me, driving a stick in those areas is no joy.
Like almost everything in life, the more abilities you have the easier life will be. But let's give autoboy a break.
Now, I'll admit,if autoboy planned to do any driving in Europe, he'd be in trouble.
Actually, That 280hp Passat Sport has my eye too.... And the Jetta TDI... Once, the tC, s40, and MDX did too but I moved on. To to cheap(materials not features), to dull(come on, 205hp Turbo I5), and to big respectively. I'm in no rush.
Who knows, I may keep my car longer and get a TL ot TSX when they get diesel engines. 52IMP mpg sounds good to me. But at 6'1, the idea of the MDX's space is entertaining.
I've sat in all the cars I mentioned and all were great. Only drove the tC. Regardless of what I choose, It'll be a step up from my accord. AND NO BASE FEATURELESS MODELS FOR ME!!
-Cj
One can live a very satisfying life driving a Prius hybrid and never even thinking about a sports car, sports sedan or sporty coupe. And good for them and the environment. But I still find it "amusing and a little sad" that anyone looking for a little more vigor in their driving experience would NOT learn how to drive a stick.
As for giving autoboy a break, I hope he knows that I'm just egging him on to do something he might actually thank me for, before he buys that new car in 2009. If he was an "older" person like you or me, I'd have laid off a few posts ago, figuring it was a lost cause.
I grew up in New York City then San Francisco and now in southern california. Believe me, driving a stick in those areas is no joy.
I can "believe" that driving in extremely congested areas isn't a joy, period. But I personally don't find the difference between a manual or automatic transmssion to make such conditions any more or less frustrating. However, given the opportunity to go on a weekend getaway to Napa or Carmel, I'll take a 6-speed stick for the drive, thank you very much. I guess we are both lost causes. Or too old to change.
In fact, as long as we're moving - say bouncing between 3 mph & 15, I prefer the stick b/c you can control how quickly you "coast" by keeping the car in 1st or 2nd, but in an AT, you'd have to ride the brake.
It is true I have not experienced the "mean streets" of NYC, but I've driven in Central Jersey, that has heavy traffic, Miami, that has heavy traffic, and Boca Raton - and believe me, nothing's worse than a road loaded with drivers who are too old to be driving or on vacation and don't know where they're going!!!! Traffic gets real heavy there in the winter months. My current location - Tampa, FL, isn't so bad traffic-wise, but it has its moments.
My dad was a sport car nut - always had a Porsche or a vette or a ferrarri in the garage, but who wants to teach their son to drive stick on their brand new Porsche?!? Thank goodness my wife's parents believed in MTs, so she could teach me on her early '90s Mazda MX6 while we were dating. Changed my life (for the better)!!!
I'm considering buying an Acura TL for the first time.
So, paddle shift away, but I'll take the occasional feathering any day. As would my wife if we could ever figure out a way to retrofit a 6-speed manual into our MDX.
In the hopes of being able to get the last word in on this
The only thing annoying about manuals in slow traffic is if the traffic is bouncing between 2 gears.
Then, the clutch leg gets quite tired.
I miss my manual and wish my G35x offered it.
That's exactly what made me reluctantly give up manual trannys several years ago - the commute crawl was just too much.