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'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
i own the car for about 4 weeks now
What kind of driving are you doing? I'm assuming short trips / city driving with such low numbers.
What mpg did you get on the same trip in your previous car?
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
I have found over the years and I have been leasing cars every 3 years is that what you get at the beginning is what you will end up with in gas mileage. That's just my opinion.
You don't look at a gauge or a computer for your mileage. You simply need an odometer, and to fill your tank fully. For example, drive 400 miles, fill with 12 gallons, and divide 12 into 400. You've gotten 33.33mpg.
That's how I calculate mileage.
this car will not meet these numbers not in the city but maybe on a HWY with the cruise control set at 60. No way I travel to work in my 2013 2.7 miles 18 to 20 MPG some HWY and more city, no way will I ever see 27mpg city as they state impossible and I would like for somebody to show me because I would bet my house against it
As a fellow forum poster pointed out, you're not ever getting your car warmed up; short trips mean oil is thicker (cold), the car is running richer (trying to GET to the normal operating temperature), idle is higher (1500RPM vs 800RPM in my old 2006 Accord) etc.
I recall in high school my 1996 Accord averaged 19mpg. I lived less than 2 miles from my school (obviously this was under the EPA rating for city, much less the highway). However, 8 years later, when I was commuting 100 miles a day in the car, I was averaging above the EPA highway rating (in the 31-33mpg range) at 70 mph. Short trips and stop and go are terrible for mileage. Your car does best at long, smooth intervals.
Even on a 100 degree day, your car still has to "warm-up" to normal operating temperature (190-205 degrees in many modern vehicles). The interior is scorching, but the engine and its internals are still "cold" - a relative term to normal temp.
Think of it this way... let your car run for 20 minutes (drive it, idle it, whatever). Look at the temp gauge. It probably resembles the photo below.
If you crank your car in a heated garage after sitting awhile, your temp gauge will still look like the photo below (i.e. - COLD)
Keep in mind, that gauge only shows coolant temperature; your coolant may be at normal operating temperature while your oil is still not fully warmed up, causing higher friction/drag on the engine, and producing lower fuel economy.
I've owned Hondas (A combined 300,000 miles out of them) so trust me, I understand them. They may blow heat after 5 minutes (I found that my 06 Accord actually blew heat after only a couple of minutes on a cold day). The temp gauge may display a "warmed-up" reading, but the engine, its oil, and its components all take more than 2 miles worth of driving (10-15 mins minimum) to reach an optimum temperature.
Even my Sonata - the gauge displays warm, but you can even see the MPG gauge decrease for the first ten mins or so, then it starts to go back up to its usual 30mpg at 75mph. I live less than 5 mins from the interstate; I'm used to watching this same "mpg meter" dance every day, summer or winter. I crank the car, the meter shows something around 30mpg. I get on the interstate, and it drops with the cruise control set on 75... 29.9... 29.8...29.7. However, after 20 mins, it's slowly creeping back up. 29.8...29.9...30...30.1...etc. It's the same thing after work.
All cars are like that. Honda is a great company, but they aren't "magic" with their tight tolerances; engines are made better now across the board. You could select any midsize car and put 200k miles on it without blinking. I'm on my way with the two cars in my driveway.
2002 Honda Accord LX 2.3 4A
2009 Hyundai Sonata GLS 3.3 5A
Thegraduate
I never compare city mpg because everybody is different, but I have run an 18 mile loop in my '13 Accord that goes through town out to the boonies and back. There are 3 stoplights (which I try to time) and several stop signs (which I have to stop for). I have gotten as high as 48 mpg for this test, which ironically is exactly what the EPA highway raw data is for my car. My test has about the same speeds, but a few more stops. I also start with a warm engine. If I do it with a cold engine I lose 3-4 mpg. I would lose much more on a shorter trip.
EPA facts are not blown out - they have been dumbed down twice so people could hit the numbers. And the car makers do the test, the EPA just does random checks.
excellent detailed comparo....scanguage, you must be a hypermiler!
Still do not have a full tank of highway. Did 350 miles last weekend for the bulk of a tank (about 530 total) , but my wife was driving most of it and she drives very fast, accelerates at full throttle, idles a lot, uses A/c almost all the time, and never slows to a stop gradually. With that, and the rest city, the tank was at 34.5 mpg.
The good news is that the more my wife drives the Accord the less she is driving the minivan. Ironically she would never drive my '07, but she loves the '13.
Perhaps after break-in, a long Interstate drive at 65-70 on flat desert (Arizona highways) terrain will lead to the mpressive numbers that others are calculating.
FWIW, at 65 MPH, the JSW TDI shows 1800 RPM - right in that flat torque curve section.............
Hang in there, Senor Dudley............
ez sends
EZ is your TDI a stick? From what I gather the sticks do quite a bit better on the TDI's. I am sure you will be over 50 on a nice long drive like you described - a number that I could not touch without some wind or gravity aid on a real world highway trip.
1. Yes, the TDI is a 6M (Sans NAV, PanoRamic SunRoof) JSW.
2. I'm averaging 41.9 (6 fuel-ups on a green engine).
3. More torque (and a flatter curve) than my beloved Honda Accord v-6 6M coupe.
all the best from our left coast, ez
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
It is also quite relevant to compare with other vehicles to see how well the Accord does mpg wise. The TDI sets a high bar that hopefully Honda can match someday with a diesel of their own. Maybe their new hybrid will also do the trick.
I live in Florida, so I know the engine isn't affected by the cold, but I do have the ac on a lot.
About two months ago (maybe 500 miles) I got the oil changed and used full synthetic.
I'm a bit at a loss. I had a PoS Mazda CX-7 turbo AWD that got 15 on a bad tank, so I have to admit I was hoping to at least get in the low 20s on average.
Any ideas?
Your commute is the toughest on MPG. Most likely stop lights in between home and work, never really get it up to speed and stay there. Still, I'd expect at leas 23-24 on that vehicle. I had a 2003 CR-V that averaged 23 in town with careful driving.
I own a 2013 accord lx with cvt. so far I average 24.5 on regular city driving. I live in queens ny and I commute to manhattan everyday. Highway the speeds the car provides better mpg about 33 to 34 mpg at 65mph.
I do not speed above 60 mph and I avoid stop and go traffic. I think Honda could do a better job with this car still a bit noisey...
Clearly when I travel from NYC to Philladelphia, the car gets closer to 34MPG just on highway driving. A/C seems to dampen the economy mode but overall its not a bad car to go from point a to b. I think I am willing to try Hyundai next time, It seems like you get more for the money!
Last week I bought a 2012 Accord EXL, 4-Cyl, 4-Door, Auto. It had 30,900 miles. I drive 116 miles round trip to work each day. It is about 36 miles interstate, 70 miles 4-lane highway, and 10 miles in town. I got about 30.5 mpg on this first tank (516 miles divided by 16.9 gallons). I was driving a 4-cyl 2008 Accord (my son has it now) and it was averaging about 27.5mpg for the same trip. So the additional 3mpg they show for this newer 4-cyl seems to be real! Very glad - I need every mpg I can get but just don't want to have to step down to the size of a Civic to get more. All in all, I am happy.
12000 miles on my 2013 Accord EX bought new 9/5/13. No issues, trip b never reset, 33.8 mpg. Reset on its own at 10000 mi. Now showing 33.9 mpg on 2000 miles. No complaints here. Really happy with car as a whole and very pleased with mpg.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
Just filled up my 2014 LX-CVT for the first time - 33.3 mpg. My travel is typically 70%/30% interstate/local. The mileage computer is showing commutes in the 39 mpg range. Very happy with that mileage so far. I haven't used the Econ button yet - the Honda salesman recommended against it when using the AC. Any experience (pro or con) with the Econ button?
I leave it on all the time. All it does with AC is the AC is not quite as cold which is fine with me. I don't live in a hot climate. I've had my Accord a year. Mileage in the winter has been 33 hwy and 27 around town. Last summer with warm weather gas more like 36 hwy 30 around town. Love it.
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
Two oldest are tanks from Jan and Feb mostly city driving and cold. The 38.9 is mostly highway with a week of short trips in town. The current is all highway at a little over 60 mph.
The 45.9 mpg looks amazing, but I believe it after owning the Accord. Based upon casual observation, seems like I'm getting better mpg at 65 mph than at 55-60mph. Does this make sense?
Could be possible with the CVT on undulating terrain that keeps it from staying at the lowest rpm. Impossible for a manual like mine.
I just got over 40 mpg on a 500 mile trip from Philadelphia to Ohio and back (shrank to 35 mpg in the 18 miles of bumper to bumper Philly section of the trip). This is. 2013 Honda Accord 4 cyl CVT.
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
I just picked up my new 2014 Honda Accord lx auto last week.
First tank full 480 miles 50/50 highway / city 33.16 MPG, AC was on all the time.
I am a happy camper.
23000 miles on my 2013 Accord EX and have averaged over 34 mpg since new one year this Friday. Often see high 30s on longer drives while driving 65-75. No issues, a joy to drive and own.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
2013 CVT. Got 38 mpg on a recent 90 mi highway trip. AC was on the whole way, 60-70 mph.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
When researching the car I remember reading a review (it may even have been Edmunds) in which the reviewers couldn't get 500 miles out of a tank.
...I've done 500+ more than a few times.
I engage a fwy heavy commute, use Chevron regular unleaded fuel and service it according to schedule. I've used full synthetic oil but not consistently.
A recent trip of 455 miles of which 90% were hwy the V6 returned 36.3 MPG's. By driving normally I mean no more than 10 MPH over posted speeds. On just the pure interstate part of the trip, 160 miles averaged 38 MPG's. Having owned two previous V6 VCM engines from Honda I can attest to the benefit of their decision to drop the 4 cyl mode and alter between 3 cyl and 6 cyl. This allowed them to implement the application of their full V-Tech technology. The same displacement engine now provides a much broader torque range and about 15% better fuel economy.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav