What's missing from the data? The percentage of cars recalled. We need a chart for that.
A chart showing who
had the most recalls means little if 90% of a company's product has had a recall when
they sold 500,000 compared to a company selling many times that number.
And in the BLoomberg article, the color line chart is active: hover over a color band, click
on a band to remove all the others, click the dots in front of the a company name to turn it
into an open circle (off) or solid circle (on).
@abacomike said:If she was half the mother that my son is a father to his children, I could have overlooked the other negatives.
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Thank you for those thoughts, I don't feel I am the only one. Most people who leave and divorce are not necessarily nasty - they usually just have different values and goals. Not to say, there aren't some people who truly are nasty and have no morals.
I try to give everyone I meet the benefit of the doubt until I find out otherwise. I think my SILs problem comes about through affluenza. He was given everything he needed or wanted when growing up. His parents supported him in starting a business. He never had to worry about money or failure. He doesn't really understand how hard it is for most people to save for the things they want or even need. He has no grasp of how money works...how to save it and how to use it. His wife could need a new washing mashine and he doesn't want to buy one, but he will fly to watch a sports event that could cost double what a new washing machine would cost. Talk about wierd values.
I am truly glad now that I had to work for everything I have and we have. Growing up, we weren't poor but we had to be careful. I had to be careful with money or I would have sunk. I almost always had a job when I was in school, and worked in the summer. There were times I wished my parents were wealthy and could just give me a job in their business. I am so glad now that didn't happen.
We just had a get together with 12 guys from our old neighborhood...I hadn't seen many of them for over 40 years. We all grew up in a very average neighborhood. All but one turned out to be good positive members of society. Of about 18 we know about 1/3 were teachers or principals. Some were in sales, one in human resources, one owned a share in a successful company (2 if you count me), one is a judge, one an executive with a large international company. One unfortunately murdered his girlfriend many years ago, and caused the death of another person in a car accident. We don't know where he is. He got mixed up in drugs and illegal activities at an early age. I think he was too handsome and athletic for his own good....well, I didn't have that problem.
Life is a journey. Be happy and thankful on this Father's Day!
As nearly as I can tell, abacomike had the 100,000th post, as his was the last one on page 5000. Twenty posts per page times 5000, and there you are. I had considered going for it myself, but was in a little hotel in the Lake District in Cumbria without e-mail, so missed it -- 100,008 is the best I could manage.
"As nearly as I can tell, abacomike had the 100,000th post, as his was the last one on page 5000. "
If you think I had the 100,000th post, I sure wasn't vying for it, that's for sure. Didn't even realize it was coming up. Remember, out of mind - out of sight!
@cdnpinhead said:
As nearly as I can tell, abacomike had the 100,000th post, as his was the last one on page 5000. Twenty posts per page times 5000, and there you are. I had considered going for it myself, but was in a little hotel in the Lake District in Cumbria without e-mail, so missed it -- 100,008 is the best I could manage.
I miss those post numbers. I could write down important ones and later find them quickly if I needed to refer back to one. All I can do now is jot down the page number. It's not nearly as easy as before. Also, I miss the feature where you could tell who responded to your posts. The way it is now, you need to mention the person's name in the post if you want them to know that you're actually responding to their individual post. An example is a post today from Fezo. I'm pretty sure that he was referring to me and my post, but you can't always tell for sure.
@sterlingdog said:I'll take a quote from the movie MILDRED PIERCE. In your son-in-law's case "Alligators have the right idea. They eat their young."
Perfect, love that one, and that would have been the perfect solution.
About the posts, I like the way the old one used to tell you who was responding to your post too. That way, you could reply once you read all the replies, not just do one and then replay again to someone else. For example, you solved the misunderstanding imid had with the lady at the grocery store, but I may have tried to reply even though you already had.
Also, you told ab that he sent a very funny reply, and although I had read it and probably enjoyed it, wasn't sure which one it was because only his name was in the quoted section.
I am sure those things won't be brought back, and there are a few improvements with the new system, I am just not sure what they are.
@driver100 said:
We just had a get together with 12 guys from our old neighborhood...I hadn't seen many of them for over 40 years. We all grew up in a very average neighborhood. All but one turned out to be good positive members of society. Of about 18 we know about 1/3 were teachers or principals. Some were in sales, one in human resources, one owned a share in a successful company (2 if you count me), one is a judge, one an executive with a large international company. One unfortunately murdered his girlfriend many years ago, and caused the death of another person in a car accident. We don't know where he is. He got mixed up in drugs and illegal activities at an early age. I think he was too handsome and athletic for his own good....well, I didn't have that problem.
Good for you.
Too bad about the guy from the neighborhood who got into Human Resources. One bad one in every crowd I suppose.
@imidazol97 said:
Recalls. Who has them? Who leads.
One thing telling is the trend. While Toyota has its recalls fairly evenly distributed over last five years, GM's number simply exploded this year. Moreover, from the reports published by the GM itself on its culture, it is not difficult to imagine the trend to continue, as those previous years numbers are most likely depressed due to that culture of not taking responsibility and hiding issues. This is conjecture, but it seems logical.
The only way for GM to truly regain credibility would be to let the floodgates open and swallow this pill, no matter how bitter it gets. Another report of delayed response on any kind of safety concern that reaches more recent years and products would be simply death to them. So the only way to do it right is to take the pain and issue recalls on even small and trivial things. Thin in turn will likely make GM a recall leader in no time. Again, this is conjecture, but I simply cannot imagine that the starter was an isolated case. There is likely more to come. The worst they can do is start pointing fingers that "they, too, look ath them". It doesn't matter if Toyota had more recalls than GM. The GM's issue was that there was no recall when there should have been.
@stickguy said:
ab, the Camaro is a lot tighter. Much better shot that your knees are jamming against something.
I was visiting dealer lots today and looked at a Camaro to see this. It does appear much more likely for a knee to contact the key in one of those than in my Regal.
@fezo said:
Thanks for the support on less vs. fewer. They re very different words. Using less when veer is called for is a egregious as loose when you men lose.
Since I was a Human Resources Director, I suppose that I'm the bad one in this crowd. Then again, if you could see some of the idiots that I DIDN'T hire, you might be tempted to give me a little more respect.
@houdini1 said:
Do you mean, as in the song, "Born too Loose"?
And, another thing, if it is proper grammar to say "12 items of fewer", which I agree is correct now that I have studied this situation, how come all the signs I see say "12 items or less".
This was a good explanation of when to use "fewer" or "less".
Less and fewer are easy to mix up. They mean the same thing—the opposite of more—but you use them in different circumstances (1). The basic rule is that you use less with mass nouns and fewer with count nouns.
Count Nouns Versus Mass Nouns
Now I'm worried that I've scared you off, but it's easy to remember the difference between mass nouns and count nouns.
A count noun is just something you can count. I'm looking at my desk and I see books, pens, and M&M's. I can count all those things, so they are count nouns and the right word to use is fewer. I should eat fewer M&M's.
Mass nouns are just things that you can't count individually. Again, on my desk I see tape and clutter. These things can't be counted individually, so the right word to use is less. If I had less clutter, my desk would be cleaner. Another clue is that you don't make mass nouns plural: I would never say I have clutters on my desk or that I need more tapes to hold my book covers together.
With the lease on my Regal ending in October, I took some time today to cruise a few lots and see what tickled my fancy. I was surprised.
I have always been a loyal GM guy for the most part. Right now they have little that appeals to me. Cadillac ATS/CTS/XTS, updated Regal (hard to find), not much else. The Caddys are all very pricey. The GM dealers here have Cobalts and Ions stacked up like cordwood. Not sure if they are trades waiting to be wholesaled or cars affected by the recall that are waiting for parts. Not good. Despite my GM loyalty, I'm feeling a cloud of doubt hanging over GM right now and I don't know if they are going to get my business if and when I decide to make a move.
I looked at a M-B dealer and they had a couple of 2013 C300s on leftover clearout, but I am not particularly thrilled with them. I like the E series but those are out of my range. So I went down the street to the Infiniti dealer. I have never been a particular fan of theirs but they had a good supply of Q50 sedans out front. I guess I'm just not an Infiniti guy, because the styling struck me as not for me and the interior was nice but nothing special. Pass.
I visited a couple of Toyota/Scion/Lexus dealers and here is where the surprise for me was found. Two opposite extremes. The Lexus dealer had a bunch of new ES350s and I am shocked to say I really liked what I saw. They had one in particular in red with a tan interior that looked really good. I know it is an old man's car but I'm retired now so maybe that's why it appealed to me. Only thing I didn't like is that the 17" wheel/tire combo looked a bit undersized but that could be fixed. The interior is gorgeous on these.
The other funny one I found that surprised me was at the other Toyota dealer, they had a few Scion tC coupes. About as far from the ES350 as you could get. I don't know why these appealed to me, but they did. I've never driven one or even noticed many of them before but it was just a cool little car, considerably cheaper than the others of course.
I have yet to visit a VW dealer and I expect they will have something that appeals to me. Don't think Chrysler, Ford, or Kiyundai will get my business.
My understanding is that the ES 350 changed from a stretched Camry chassis, etc. to the Avalon chassis for M/Y 2014. It has been getting very good reviews and looks a lot like a smaller version of the much more expensive LS 460.
after checking out the entire selection at the Philly auto show, the ES is by far my favorite. Actually, the only Lexus I like at all. I could be real happy with one from the last few generations I think. Assuming I could pay for it.
@ab348 said:
Less cash, fewer dollars. I get it. Thanks.
So maybe the issues with quick checkout lanes could have been avoided if the signs were all changed to "12 items or fewer". Yeah...
In today's world, many people would not recognize or understand the word "fewer". What can we expect from a population that thinks "yours" is the same as "you're"? It drives me crazy because I see the mistake so often.
On network news last week, I heard an announcer say "chris-es" for "crisis". The media is famous for changing the pronunciation of words, especially geographic place names. But "chris-es"? Give me strength!
@houdini1 said:
My understanding is that the ES 350 changed from a stretched Camry chassis, etc. to the Avalon chassis for M/Y 2014. It has been getting very good reviews and looks a lot like a smaller version of the much more expensive LS 460.
But Wiki says it's based on the Avalon which is based on the Camry. Huh? I'd heard this mentioned before and had looked it up. Sounds like double talk.
" Despite the fact that the redesigned ES and the 2013 Toyota Camry still share the same platform, the two vehicles are no longer mechanically related, as the ES is now based on the Toyota Avalon which is 50 mm (2 inches) longer than and also shares the same platform with the Camry."
Today we (wife) bought a Buick Encore with Saddle leather, AWD, Sunroof and Navigation. MRSP $31,505 and invoice of $30,766. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766.
We thought we got a good deal only to realize that the same car (from the same dealer) could be had for $29,324. Bummer! How is that possible you may ask? Because we started negotiations at invoice, believing that invoice was a real number. In reality invoice is as illusory as MSRP.
Nonetheless, all was not lost. We were offered $8,000 for our trade but we played hard ball and eked out an additional $500. According to Edmunds and KBB our trade-in was worth $8,093 and $8,900 respectively.
@ab348 said:So maybe the issues with quick checkout lanes could have been avoided if the signs were all changed to "12 items or fewer". Yeah...
Less cash, fewer dollars. I get it. Thanks.
@sterlingdog said:It is obvious that you are simply scanning posts again. I explained the difference between "less" and "fewer" yesterday. Try to pay attention
I did read your post carefully and I agree completely with you. I didn't think about fewer and less before, but I found it interesting and it does make snse. My wife is an expert of English language too and she knew the rule immediately, but had not related it to the sign in the supermarket. BUt she gets upset when she hears or sees an obvious grammatical error. The one that upsets her the most is when she sees a "stationary store".
@bwia said: According to Edmunds and KBB our trade-in was worth $8,093 and $8,900 respectively.
Congratulations on the new car, looks like a lot of car for under $30K. Your price sounds good because even if they gave you the lower price on the newer car you would have settled for the KBB price on the trade in. They probably knew they had that extra amount to play with.
Edmunds gives that model a 4.7 out of 5, you can't get much better than that.
We are off to the UK at 5:15 a.m. tomorrow morning. London, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and back to London, hopefully to see a game at Wimbledon. Hope to see Stonehenge, and maybe do the European Vacation thing and make them all fall like dominoes.
We are supposed to have internet access but who knows. I'll try to keep up, so keep posting.
We come back June 30. I will try to use my Galaxy Tablet, but I have a ways to go to get good with that. Have fun...................
Hey, watch out over there. They drive on the left. Last time I was in Wales (Swansea/Cardiff) I came upon a 5 way intersection. I pulled over and studied which travel lanes to use to get through. Fortunately no one was injured.
ps all stationery stores are stationary. They're big and heavy and rarely move.
"Today we (wife) bought a Buick Encore with Saddle leather, AWD, Sunroof and Navigation. MRSP $31,505 and invoice of $30,766. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766."
Firstly, congrats on the new Buick. Saddle leather is my favorite. What is the exterior color?
As for invoice and negotiations, it's all about incentives, inventory, trade value, etc. But you already knew that from being a regular poster here on SFTSF. If you think you overpaid - YOU DID NOT! You bought the car you wanted, less a great trade value for a few hundred over the dealer's net/net invoice (invoice less incentives). No one here thinks you overpaid because the dealer has to make something.
When I buy my cars, I know the dealer is making at least $500 because of what he gets for my trades - they usually sell my trade in less than 7 days for at least a $2000 profit. After commissions and State required inspections and certifying it with Mercedes, they still make $500. But they are entitled to make a profit - that's what they are in business for.
Enjoy your new Buick - best of luck with it. I hope it gives you and your family many years of happiness and enjoyment.
Today we (wife) bought a Buick Encore with Saddle leather, AWD, Sunroof and Navigation. MRSP $31,505 and invoice of $30,766. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766.
We thought we got a good deal only to realize that the same car (from the same dealer) could be had for $29,324. Bummer! How is that possible you may ask? Because we started negotiations at invoice, believing that invoice was a real number. In reality invoice is as illusory as MSRP.
Nonetheless, all was not lost. We were offered $8,000 for our trade but we played hard ball and eked out an additional $500. According to Edmunds and KBB our trade-in was worth $8,093 and $8,900 respectively.
More details to come later.
Congratulations on your new Buick. I have always liked Buicks and have owned several of them. Your deal doesn't sound bad at all to me....nice trade value and not much over invoice. As we always say here, if you like it and it's what you want, then you got a good deal. Happy trails!
@driver100 said:
We are off to the UK at 5:15 a.m. tomorrow morning. London, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and back to London, hopefully to see a game at Wimbledon. Hope to see Stonehenge, and maybe do the European Vacation thing and make them all fall like dominoes.
We are supposed to have internet access but who knows. I'll try to keep up, so keep posting.
We come back June 30. I will try to use my Galaxy Tablet, but I have a ways to go to get good with that. Have fun...................
@houdini1 said:
My understanding is that the ES 350 changed from a stretched Camry chassis, etc. to the Avalon chassis for M/Y 2014. It has been getting very good reviews and looks a lot like a smaller version of the much more expensive LS 460.
I have one (actually an ES300h hybrid). Just yesterday I was parked next to a new Avalon. They look almost identical. It is obvious they are from the same platform.
@rbirns1 said:
I have one (actually an ES300h hybrid). Just yesterday I was parked next to a new Avalon. They look almost identical. It is obvious they are from the same platform.
How do you like the car? How long have you had it? Anything you would change if you could?
@ab348 said:
How do you like the car? How long have you had it? Anything you would change if you could?
I like it a lot. Had it for 1.5 years. Disappointed with gas mileage. They claim 40 mpg, I have never broken 33 on a tankful. Guess I can't complain about a large luxury sedan getting 33 mpg. I knew these hybrid mpg claims are overly optimistic, so I assumed I would get 10-20% less. I'm right there. Otherwise I like everything about the car. Smooth, powerful, comfortable, very roomy (my 6-5 kids fit easily in back). Only thing I would change is to make the Flaxen color (saddle brown) available. Other Lexus models have it, so should ES.
GM is recalling still another 2.5 million cars (Buicks, Cadillacs, etc.) for that ignition problem. What a fiasco! GM is facing billions in losses due to recalls and lawsuits. I hope GM can withstand this siege financially. Their stock value is going down again.
GM is recalling still another 2.5 million cars (Buicks, Cadillacs, etc.) for that ignition problem. What a fiasco! GM is facing billions in losses due to recalls and lawsuits. I hope GM can withstand this siege financially. Their stock value is going down again.
Unfortunate.
As a GM shareholder, I follow it closely. In spite of the recalls, GM stock is up about 13% in the past 60 days and at about the same point it was when the whole ignition fiasco started. Even with today's announcement, the stock is up 1.25%.
"As a GM shareholder, I follow it closely. In spite of the recalls, GM stock is up about 13% in the past 60 days and at about the same point it was when the whole ignition fiasco started. Even with today's announcement, the stock is up 1.25%."
Since December, GM stock has dropped 8 dollars a share ($42.32 Dec. to $36.00 today)! If my math is correct, that's a drop of almost $8.00+ in 6 months or 20%. And I am not a GM stockholder, thank goodness.
Today we (wife) bought a Buick Encore with Saddle leather, AWD, Sunroof and Navigation. MRSP $31,505 and invoice of $30,766. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766.
My local dealer group still has a nearly new Regal GS with three pedals for $24,000. If it had about 100 more bhp, 500 lbs.less mass, and was about a foot shorter I'd give it an extremely hard look. It's been nailed to their lot for over two months now...
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@abacomike said:
robr2 said:
Since December, GM stock has dropped 8 dollars a share ($42.32 Dec. to $36.00 today)! If my math is correct, that's a drop of almost $8.00+ in 6 months or 20%. And I am not a GM stockholder, thank goodness.
True but the drop from $42 to $35 in the middle of February had nothing to do with the recalls. It had more to do with fundamentals than the recalls. There were huge losses in Europe, South American currency losses, brutal winter sales results and a new CEO. During that same time frame, Ford lost about 7% in their stock price due to some of the same reasons.
The stock price took a hit from the recalls during mid April where it dropped to about $32. Even with millions more vehicles recalled since then, the stock has gone up as I said about 13%.
I'm very happy to be a GM shareholder. I dollar cost averaged in the last half of 2012 and have had a 50% return thus far. Now I am getting dividends as well. The drop from $42 to $35 is disappointing but it's not real money - that is until I sell GM.
. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766.
We thought we got a good deal only to realize that the same car (from the same dealer) could be had for $29,324. Bummer! How is that possible you may ask? Because we started negotiations at invoice, believing that invoice was a real number. In reality invoice is as illusory as MSRP.
Curious about one thing. How did you determine that the car could be had for a lower price?
Other than that, congrats!
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Recalls. Who has them? Who leads.
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What's missing from the data? The percentage of cars recalled. We need a chart for that.
A chart showing who
had the most recalls means little if 90% of a company's product has had a recall when
they sold 500,000 compared to a company selling many times that number.
And in the BLoomberg article, the color line chart is active: hover over a color band, click
on a band to remove all the others, click the dots in front of the a company name to turn it
into an open circle (off) or solid circle (on).
Data lover's dream.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-12/the-king-of-auto-recalls-isnt-gm-dot-its-toyota
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Thank you for those thoughts, I don't feel I am the only one. Most people who leave and divorce are not necessarily nasty - they usually just have different values and goals. Not to say, there aren't some people who truly are nasty and have no morals.
I try to give everyone I meet the benefit of the doubt until I find out otherwise. I think my SILs problem comes about through affluenza. He was given everything he needed or wanted when growing up. His parents supported him in starting a business. He never had to worry about money or failure. He doesn't really understand how hard it is for most people to save for the things they want or even need. He has no grasp of how money works...how to save it and how to use it. His wife could need a new washing mashine and he doesn't want to buy one, but he will fly to watch a sports event that could cost double what a new washing machine would cost. Talk about wierd values.
I am truly glad now that I had to work for everything I have and we have. Growing up, we weren't poor but we had to be careful. I had to be careful with money or I would have sunk. I almost always had a job when I was in school, and worked in the summer. There were times I wished my parents were wealthy and could just give me a job in their business. I am so glad now that didn't happen.
We just had a get together with 12 guys from our old neighborhood...I hadn't seen many of them for over 40 years. We all grew up in a very average neighborhood. All but one turned out to be good positive members of society. Of about 18 we know about 1/3 were teachers or principals. Some were in sales, one in human resources, one owned a share in a successful company (2 if you count me), one is a judge, one an executive with a large international company. One unfortunately murdered his girlfriend many years ago, and caused the death of another person in a car accident. We don't know where he is. He got mixed up in drugs and illegal activities at an early age. I think he was too handsome and athletic for his own good....well, I didn't have that problem.
Life is a journey. Be happy and thankful on this Father's Day!
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As nearly as I can tell, abacomike had the 100,000th post, as his was the last one on page 5000. Twenty posts per page times 5000, and there you are. I had considered going for it myself, but was in a little hotel in the Lake District in Cumbria without e-mail, so missed it -- 100,008 is the best I could manage.
well, in Canadian measurements, I think that is only about 98,654, so you still have time.
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"As nearly as I can tell, abacomike had the 100,000th post, as his was the last one on page 5000. "
If you think I had the 100,000th post, I sure wasn't vying for it, that's for sure. Didn't even realize it was coming up. Remember, out of mind - out of sight!
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I miss those post numbers. I could write down important ones and later find them quickly if I needed to refer back to one. All I can do now is jot down the page number. It's not nearly as easy as before. Also, I miss the feature where you could tell who responded to your posts. The way it is now, you need to mention the person's name in the post if you want them to know that you're actually responding to their individual post. An example is a post today from Fezo. I'm pretty sure that he was referring to me and my post, but you can't always tell for sure.
Richard
I'll take a quote from the movie MILDRED PIERCE. In your son-in-law's case "Alligators have the right idea. They eat their young."
Richard
Perfect, love that one, and that would have been the perfect solution.
About the posts, I like the way the old one used to tell you who was responding to your post too. That way, you could reply once you read all the replies, not just do one and then replay again to someone else. For example, you solved the misunderstanding imid had with the lady at the grocery store, but I may have tried to reply even though you already had.
Also, you told ab that he sent a very funny reply, and although I had read it and probably enjoyed it, wasn't sure which one it was because only his name was in the quoted section.
I am sure those things won't be brought back, and there are a few improvements with the new system, I am just not sure what they are.
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Good for you.
Too bad about the guy from the neighborhood who got into Human Resources. One bad one in every crowd I suppose.
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One thing telling is the trend. While Toyota has its recalls fairly evenly distributed over last five years, GM's number simply exploded this year. Moreover, from the reports published by the GM itself on its culture, it is not difficult to imagine the trend to continue, as those previous years numbers are most likely depressed due to that culture of not taking responsibility and hiding issues. This is conjecture, but it seems logical.
The only way for GM to truly regain credibility would be to let the floodgates open and swallow this pill, no matter how bitter it gets. Another report of delayed response on any kind of safety concern that reaches more recent years and products would be simply death to them. So the only way to do it right is to take the pain and issue recalls on even small and trivial things. Thin in turn will likely make GM a recall leader in no time. Again, this is conjecture, but I simply cannot imagine that the starter was an isolated case. There is likely more to come. The worst they can do is start pointing fingers that "they, too, look ath them". It doesn't matter if Toyota had more recalls than GM. The GM's issue was that there was no recall when there should have been.
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I was visiting dealer lots today and looked at a Camaro to see this. It does appear much more likely for a knee to contact the key in one of those than in my Regal.
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Do you mean, as in the song, "Born too Loose"?
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Since I was a Human Resources Director, I suppose that I'm the bad one in this crowd. Then again, if you could see some of the idiots that I DIDN'T hire, you might be tempted to give me a little more respect.
Richard
And, another thing, if it is proper grammar to say "12 items of fewer", which I agree is correct now that I have studied this situation, how come all the signs I see say "12 items or less".
This was a good explanation of when to use "fewer" or "less".
Less and fewer are easy to mix up. They mean the same thing—the opposite of more—but you use them in different circumstances (1). The basic rule is that you use less with mass nouns and fewer with count nouns.
Count Nouns Versus Mass Nouns
Now I'm worried that I've scared you off, but it's easy to remember the difference between mass nouns and count nouns.
A count noun is just something you can count. I'm looking at my desk and I see books, pens, and M&M's. I can count all those things, so they are count nouns and the right word to use is fewer. I should eat fewer M&M's.
Mass nouns are just things that you can't count individually. Again, on my desk I see tape and clutter. These things can't be counted individually, so the right word to use is less. If I had less clutter, my desk would be cleaner. Another clue is that you don't make mass nouns plural: I would never say I have clutters on my desk or that I need more tapes to hold my book covers together.
From "Grammer Girl"
Grammer Girl - Less and Fewer
I learned something today, or was it yesterday?
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That's because "less" has less letters and is short to put into a sign--fits better. Or is it fewer letters.
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Less cash, fewer dollars. I get it. Thanks.
So maybe the issues with quick checkout lanes could have been avoided if the signs were all changed to "12 items or fewer". Yeah...
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With the lease on my Regal ending in October, I took some time today to cruise a few lots and see what tickled my fancy. I was surprised.
I have always been a loyal GM guy for the most part. Right now they have little that appeals to me. Cadillac ATS/CTS/XTS, updated Regal (hard to find), not much else. The Caddys are all very pricey. The GM dealers here have Cobalts and Ions stacked up like cordwood. Not sure if they are trades waiting to be wholesaled or cars affected by the recall that are waiting for parts. Not good. Despite my GM loyalty, I'm feeling a cloud of doubt hanging over GM right now and I don't know if they are going to get my business if and when I decide to make a move.
I looked at a M-B dealer and they had a couple of 2013 C300s on leftover clearout, but I am not particularly thrilled with them. I like the E series but those are out of my range. So I went down the street to the Infiniti dealer. I have never been a particular fan of theirs but they had a good supply of Q50 sedans out front. I guess I'm just not an Infiniti guy, because the styling struck me as not for me and the interior was nice but nothing special. Pass.
I visited a couple of Toyota/Scion/Lexus dealers and here is where the surprise for me was found. Two opposite extremes. The Lexus dealer had a bunch of new ES350s and I am shocked to say I really liked what I saw. They had one in particular in red with a tan interior that looked really good. I know it is an old man's car but I'm retired now so maybe that's why it appealed to me. Only thing I didn't like is that the 17" wheel/tire combo looked a bit undersized but that could be fixed. The interior is gorgeous on these.
The other funny one I found that surprised me was at the other Toyota dealer, they had a few Scion tC coupes. About as far from the ES350 as you could get. I don't know why these appealed to me, but they did. I've never driven one or even noticed many of them before but it was just a cool little car, considerably cheaper than the others of course.
I have yet to visit a VW dealer and I expect they will have something that appeals to me. Don't think Chrysler, Ford, or Kiyundai will get my business.
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My understanding is that the ES 350 changed from a stretched Camry chassis, etc. to the Avalon chassis for M/Y 2014. It has been getting very good reviews and looks a lot like a smaller version of the much more expensive LS 460.
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after checking out the entire selection at the Philly auto show, the ES is by far my favorite. Actually, the only Lexus I like at all. I could be real happy with one from the last few generations I think. Assuming I could pay for it.
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It is obvious that you are simply scanning posts again. I explained the difference between "less" and "fewer" yesterday. Try to pay attention.
Richard
In today's world, many people would not recognize or understand the word "fewer". What can we expect from a population that thinks "yours" is the same as "you're"? It drives me crazy because I see the mistake so often.
On network news last week, I heard an announcer say "chris-es" for "crisis". The media is famous for changing the pronunciation of words, especially geographic place names. But "chris-es"? Give me strength!
Richard
But Wiki says it's based on the Avalon which is based on the Camry. Huh? I'd heard this mentioned before and had looked it up. Sounds like double talk.
" Despite the fact that the redesigned ES and the 2013 Toyota Camry still share the same platform, the two vehicles are no longer mechanically related, as the ES is now based on the Toyota Avalon which is 50 mm (2 inches) longer than and also shares the same platform with the Camry."
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The ES350 and Avalon no longer share the same chassis as the Camry. It might be a modified version or a separate design.
A sales story with a stupid ending.
Today we (wife) bought a Buick Encore with Saddle leather, AWD, Sunroof and Navigation. MRSP $31,505 and invoice of $30,766. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766.
We thought we got a good deal only to realize that the same car (from the same dealer) could be had for $29,324. Bummer! How is that possible you may ask? Because we started negotiations at invoice, believing that invoice was a real number. In reality invoice is as illusory as MSRP.
Nonetheless, all was not lost. We were offered $8,000 for our trade but we played hard ball and eked out an additional $500. According to Edmunds and KBB our trade-in was worth $8,093 and $8,900 respectively.
More details to come later.
How about, "No more than 12 items"
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I did read your post carefully and I agree completely with you. I didn't think about fewer and less before, but I found it interesting and it does make snse. My wife is an expert of English language too and she knew the rule immediately, but had not related it to the sign in the supermarket. BUt she gets upset when she hears or sees an obvious grammatical error. The one that upsets her the most is when she sees a "stationary store".
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Congratulations on the new car, looks like a lot of car for under $30K. Your price sounds good because even if they gave you the lower price on the newer car you would have settled for the KBB price on the trade in. They probably knew they had that extra amount to play with.
Edmunds gives that model a 4.7 out of 5, you can't get much better than that.
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We are off to the UK at 5:15 a.m. tomorrow morning. London, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and back to London, hopefully to see a game at Wimbledon. Hope to see Stonehenge, and maybe do the European Vacation thing and make them all fall like dominoes.
We are supposed to have internet access but who knows. I'll try to keep up, so keep posting.
We come back June 30. I will try to use my Galaxy Tablet, but I have a ways to go to get good with that. Have fun...................
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Hey, watch out over there. They drive on the left. Last time I was in Wales (Swansea/Cardiff) I came upon a 5 way intersection. I pulled over and studied which travel lanes to use to get through. Fortunately no one was injured.
ps all stationery stores are stationary. They're big and heavy and rarely move.
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"Today we (wife) bought a Buick Encore with Saddle leather, AWD, Sunroof and Navigation. MRSP $31,505 and invoice of $30,766. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766."
Firstly, congrats on the new Buick. Saddle leather is my favorite. What is the exterior color?
As for invoice and negotiations, it's all about incentives, inventory, trade value, etc. But you already knew that from being a regular poster here on SFTSF. If you think you overpaid - YOU DID NOT! You bought the car you wanted, less a great trade value for a few hundred over the dealer's net/net invoice (invoice less incentives). No one here thinks you overpaid because the dealer has to make something.
When I buy my cars, I know the dealer is making at least $500 because of what he gets for my trades - they usually sell my trade in less than 7 days for at least a $2000 profit. After commissions and State required inspections and certifying it with Mercedes, they still make $500. But they are entitled to make a profit - that's what they are in business for.
Enjoy your new Buick - best of luck with it. I hope it gives you and your family many years of happiness and enjoyment.
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Congratulations on your new Buick. I have always liked Buicks and have owned several of them. Your deal doesn't sound bad at all to me....nice trade value and not much over invoice. As we always say here, if you like it and it's what you want, then you got a good deal. Happy trails!
Richard
Have a wonderful trip!
Richard
Congratulations on your fine new Buick. You couldn't have bought a nicer car.
Enjoy it.
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Have a safe, enjoyable trip!
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I have one (actually an ES300h hybrid). Just yesterday I was parked next to a new Avalon. They look almost identical. It is obvious they are from the same platform.
How do you like the car? How long have you had it? Anything you would change if you could?
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I like it a lot. Had it for 1.5 years. Disappointed with gas mileage. They claim 40 mpg, I have never broken 33 on a tankful. Guess I can't complain about a large luxury sedan getting 33 mpg. I knew these hybrid mpg claims are overly optimistic, so I assumed I would get 10-20% less. I'm right there. Otherwise I like everything about the car. Smooth, powerful, comfortable, very roomy (my 6-5 kids fit easily in back). Only thing I would change is to make the Flaxen color (saddle brown) available. Other Lexus models have it, so should ES.
GM is recalling still another 2.5 million cars (Buicks, Cadillacs, etc.) for that ignition problem. What a fiasco! GM is facing billions in losses due to recalls and lawsuits. I hope GM can withstand this siege financially. Their stock value is going down again.
Unfortunate.
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As a GM shareholder, I follow it closely. In spite of the recalls, GM stock is up about 13% in the past 60 days and at about the same point it was when the whole ignition fiasco started. Even with today's announcement, the stock is up 1.25%.
It seems that recalls no longer scare the market.
"As a GM shareholder, I follow it closely. In spite of the recalls, GM stock is up about 13% in the past 60 days and at about the same point it was when the whole ignition fiasco started. Even with today's announcement, the stock is up 1.25%."
Since December, GM stock has dropped 8 dollars a share ($42.32 Dec. to $36.00 today)! If my math is correct, that's a drop of almost $8.00+ in 6 months or 20%. And I am not a GM stockholder, thank goodness.
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My local dealer group still has a nearly new Regal GS with three pedals for $24,000. If it had about 100 more bhp, 500 lbs.less mass, and was about a foot shorter I'd give it an extremely hard look. It's been nailed to their lot for over two months now...
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RB, I am not as picky as you. Got a link to that Regal?
a guy in my neighborhood actually has a stick shift regal, so they do exist in the wild.
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True but the drop from $42 to $35 in the middle of February had nothing to do with the recalls. It had more to do with fundamentals than the recalls. There were huge losses in Europe, South American currency losses, brutal winter sales results and a new CEO. During that same time frame, Ford lost about 7% in their stock price due to some of the same reasons.
The stock price took a hit from the recalls during mid April where it dropped to about $32. Even with millions more vehicles recalled since then, the stock has gone up as I said about 13%.
I'm very happy to be a GM shareholder. I dollar cost averaged in the last half of 2012 and have had a 50% return thus far. Now I am getting dividends as well. The drop from $42 to $35 is disappointing but it's not real money - that is until I sell GM.
. Final price, invoice less $1,000 incentives or $29,766.
Curious about one thing. How did you determine that the car could be had for a lower price?
Other than that, congrats!
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